This comment popped up today on an old blog post explaining a Russian nutcase professor.

clayton Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 am
The date is February 1, 2010. Igor Panarin said that if civil war did not break out in November 2009, then he would have a ready answer.
So far I have not found it. Is there one?

Wait!  Wait!  The power of looking into the blogosphere presents us with ideas.

Let’s start with this, which actually somehow puts the date at January 31.

I would put nothing past the narcissistic pathological lying Comrade Obama who is an antichrist if there ever was one.

We’re talking about the biggest enemy America has ever fought in its history, THE ENEMY WITHIN, whose idea of national security is to make easier for our enemies both foreign and domestic to destroy America!

One thing that I DO KNOW, is that Obama, in creating the chaos necessary for despots to succeed, is INTENTIONALLY bankrupting the country in order to consolidate his power over every aspect of our lives! And that should get the attention of what’s left of the sane in this country who are being held hostage and are being enslaved by a radical left that couldn’t care less! -DrE]

And now the Trumpet Blows.

Now today I ran across this headline;
US bracing for secessionist sentiments

After one-and-a-half-centuries, Washington has come across a new phenomenon surfacing in its political arena as secessionist advocates in the state of Vermont seek a divorce from the United States of America.

Read it here; http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=117609&sectionid=3510203

Is it possible that as the ship goes down that certain states will refuse to go down with it? You bet it is. There may soon be an outcry from the fiscally responsible states (Vermont, Texas, North Dakota) to refuse to bail out the fruits and nuts in California and New York.

Good lord.  The First Republic of Vermont?  Really?  Where has this blogger been?  I’ve posted on it a few times over the past half a dozen years (as well the less advanced “Cascadia” secessionist movement.) 
Heck.  Secessionism Fever appears a re-occuring item.
But isn’t Vermont… pinko liberal?

Never mind that, though.  I’d think the Civil War would be a bit more pronounced than the ancient fringe secessionist movements milling and mulling about.  Igor Panarin needs to stick to apocalyptic forecasts of doomed America — with no dates certain — and enough wriggle room that many a bad sign in America can be shown as “America in Decline” ala Roman Empire.

I don’t understand.  Yesterday newsmax, a central publication for the “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy” for Scaife and Christopher Ruddy,  published an article which advocated a military coup against President Barack Obama.  With a few weasel words so as not to be actually calling for a military coup against President Barack Obama.   They have removed it.  I have to find the thing in its entirety here (with the “Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy” — such as that is– of David Brocks’s “Media Matters” — some shilling thrown in at some point by George Soros.)  Also available in non pdf version here.  The places that would post it with some approval, free republic for instance, deleted if from their page.

I don’t understand what leads to newsmaxs’s dismissal.  Yesterday, newsmax felt it proper to publish.  Today they don’t.  Surely they realized yesterday that this was controversial yest?  Surely they knew yesterday that it would be picked up by a lot and be cited as signs of extremism yesterday?  Do they assume nobody outside their small sphere is reading them, or apt to read them?

A spokeswoman for Newsmax sent a statement to TPM admitting that the magazine removed the column after several reader complaints:
In a blog posting to Newsmax John Perry wrote about a coup scenario involving the U.S. military. He clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one.  Har de har har.

After several reader complaints, Newsmax wanted to insure that this article was not misinterpreted. It was removed after a short period after being posted.

Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.

… Except that they kind of just did.  One word that might have been put in advisedly: “purposefully”.  Newsmax should get to know its word parsing, as much as John L Perry knew his parsing in not actually advocating this, but wink wink.

Mr. Perry served as a political appointee in the Carter administration in HUD and FEMA. He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger.

No editorial oversight?  Or do they just trust the people they give the keys to to not cross their particular line of inflamatory innuendo and “investigative” hogwash?

The proponents of the “Find the  balance from the Left so we can be up striaht in attacking this target on the right”, the blog “hotair” and The National Review corner, point to Gore Vidal’s rambling doddering midly entertaining rehashing of paranoia he’s evoked for the past decade.  I don’t see it. (Though, give me a second and a mission and I’ll drudge up some comments from somewhere calling on soldiers that they’re duty bound to the Constitution before the Commander-in-Chief.  Published by anyone of note, I can’t say as of yet.)  You will note that Gore Vidal does not seem to think this Coup is a good idea.  But, roll through the comments there.
Adam Russell:  I think a dictatorship is more likely from those who want to end the Obama presidency than from Obama. They are gearing up for something.
I think Adam Russell read the newsmax article yesterday.

The one thing I will give “John L Perry”:
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation.  Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars.  Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.
I think Gore Vidal would, at various moments in conversation, argue that has happened.  When?  Vidal might just join your Glenn Becks of the world and start some balls rolling at the Progressive Era.  Then pull the thing apart at the dawn of the Cold War.

Anyway, roll throw free republic:

Dick Bachert:
This has been on my mind for some time now as a real possibility.
For an alleged intellectual (which he ain’t!), Obama has been rather stupid in his treatment of and words about the military folks here (active and former — and there are a lot of them).
Emerging tyrants throughout history have either had to coopt the military or, like Stalin and others, eliminate the upper ranks and replace the officer corps with loyalists.
The bad news is that the service academies have been gradually infested with leftists teaching PC, multi-culturalism, internationalist One World crap for several decades. It’s anyone’s guess how these officers still on active duty will respond.
And if such an event does take place, I suspect there will be a division along racial lines but no way to tell what the numbers would look like.
Like the author, I believe it would be a fairly civil affair but, again, now way to be certain. It COULD get ugly before it is resolved.
I HOPE that oath they took to defend the Constitution — which I also took in 1962 — prevails and we can get back to undoing the damage Obama has done and get on with striving to be the America the Founders envisioned.
I’d write more but am off to rent the remake of “Seven Days in May.” The one with the HAPPY ending.

capydick:
I want to see Jeffrey Immelt**, along with Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman frog-marched out of the White House if this happens.

doc10790
Awesome and courageous perspective.

oldcurmudgeon:
That is the stupid kind of post that gives FR a bad name.
I can see it now in the NYT: “FR urges military to depose Obama”.
(I … um… really can’t see that NYT headline.  Call me crazy.)

Red Steel:
The unthinkable could become the thinkable. It all depends on Obama. I know a guy like him has ‘delusions of grandeur’ and wants to rule like a heavy handed authoritarian, but I don’t think he really has the guts to try and go all the way to make his dreams come true. I think he is risk averse when push comes to shove. He will have his 4 year term at the maximum and then bow out.

buccaneer81:
Movie poster of “Seven Days In May”
We need General James Mattoon Scott.

Rome2000:
That ALONE could solve our problems with our non-representing Representatives… though we’d have to make that Amendment 11 so they couldn’t weasel out of it should they become cliquish again.
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That’s enough of that.   Actually the free republic posters are obsessed with pointing out that the author is a “Democrat”.  This is, I guess, the Zell Miller syndrome?

Back to my basic points:  #1: This nation is full of fantasists.  AND… #2: I’d just as soon newsmax have left this page on its website — everyone knows they published it, they can’t retrace their steps here, and I fail to understand how they wouldn’t accept this as controversial from the gate.  I mean, they’ve published these articles!

The nation is pack full of fantasists.  Exhibit #1:

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic. [...]

Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

I hear Texas wants to secede, a solution to the “Problem”.  Then again, I heard that Vermont wanted to secede through the last eight years.  If they want to kick out Vermont, in a strange fit against democratic Values wihen they don’t get what they desire.

Note that a Republican Senate candidate has an ad on the side there.  Near as I can tell, its not an “adsense” type bulk program.  I suppose it doesn’t do us too much harm: he’s just Massachusetts’s fill in the blank candidate.  I don’t think a Mitt Romney would’ve run an ad on maxnews.  (I mean, newsmax.)

Exhibit #2, video here:

ST. LOUIS — Kitty Werthmann has made quite a career out of warning Americans that fascism is on its way. The 84-year-old native Austrian survived the excesses of the Third Reich and, in her dotage as a leader of the South Dakota branch of the Eagle Forum, recorded tapes and videos explaining just how Hitler took power. She made her case during George W. Bush’s presidency, but the audience was small–fringe conservative activists, radio hosts like Alex Jones. Then came President Barack Obama. On Saturday, at the “How to Take Back America” conference, Werthmann found herself speaking to an overflowing room of conservative activists about the parallels between Obama and the rise of Hitler.

“We had prayer in school before we started class, and after class,” said Werthmann. “One day I came into the classroom and the crucifix was gone, and there was Hitler’s picture, and the Nazi flag on either side. And our teacher said, ‘Today we don’t pray anymore. We sing ‘Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles.’”

The audience of mostly female conservative activists murmured; some of them scrawled out detailed notes, shaking their heads at what they were hearing. It had been a few days since Fox News reported that a New Jersey school had children sing a song of praise to President Obama. They kept on writing and listening as Werthmann explained how Hitler had euthanized mentally handicapped children, and how he’d kept lists of political enemies.

It is a conference of a historically important part of the Republican Resurgance of the last forty years, prominent speakers includes  Mike Huckabee, the Republican who currently polls best in a hypothetical 2012 match-up with Obama.

Exhibit #3:

Speaking at the recent How To Take Back America Conference, Rep. Trent Franks declared that nobody should be shocked that President Obama does all sorts of “insane things” because he is an “enemy of humanity”.

Oh, by the way.  Trent Franks is a Republican member of Congress.  And this “How to Take Back America” Conference sounds like one hell of an event.

Several days later, after the story was widely publicized, a spokeswoman for Franks said the congressman was referring to “unborn humanity” and should have clarified his statement. She also said that Franks meant to say that Obama’s abortion-related policies have no place in government, rather than that Obama has no place in government.

Exhibit #4:  Group marches for ‘white civil rights’ in wake of bus beating

“We were out there to denounce the violence,” said Belleville resident Jason Bonn, who is a corporal with the National Socialist Movement, a group with a name similar to the Nazi Party of Germany during World War II. Bonn’s group is “fighting for white civil rights.”

Around the corner from the shouting protesters on West Washington Street, several dozens participated in a silent counter-rally on South Illinois Street. The Rev. John Curry, of Conqueror’s Christian Center in Belleville organized the counter protest: “Our message is to preach love for all groups, skinheads, KKK, Nazis, all groups. Hate has got to stop. Our message is silent love.”

The white supremacist rally was held in response to a Sept. 14 attack on a Belleville West High School bus, where two black students beat a white student. Members of the National Socialist Movement were joined by other pro-white groups and held signs that said, “It was a hate crime.”
It is worth noting that this was the opinion expressed by Rush Limbaugh, that this is “what happens in Obama’s America”.  The most frightening exaggerated news story of a lot of bizarrely exaggerated news stories.

A bit uneasily, I have to point out this “solution” to the “Obama Problem” is ravaging around 400 percent more deranged heads than that “solution” to the “Bush Problem”.

Bill Sparkman, Census Worker in Kentucky, appears to have been killed inwhat looks probably like a domestic Terrorist shot.  Three names pop to my mind in terms of paranoid spewing about Census workers.  Glenn Beck  and Michelle Bachman  form the firmly connected to the Republican Party branch.  The third name: Alex Jones.

Glenn Beck who once specifically told his audience: “Don’t be a Tim McVeigh”:  And who is himself four years away from saying this:
BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out — is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus Do band, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, “Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,” and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, “Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.” And you know, well, I’m not sure.
That’s just a Morning Zoo bit, right?

The Alex Jones Media Constellation will tread where Glenn Beck won’t.  Repeat after me: “False.  Flag.  Operation.”  Roughly the first comment on any page there on these matters will be claims of the “False Flag”.  And somewhere in the mix, another reference will pop up eventually.  I’ll stop when I see it:

Ross Says:  Possible False Flag Op ????

Reply:  I think so.

hellferbreakfast Says:
Could very well be a false flag to be used to blame it on what ever anti-govt. individual or group they have in mind.

A few paragraphs in, and I have this mental check list to this James Pitkin Willamette Week article.  A fairly reasonable and predictable quote from Chip Berlet (check), a quote from the Southern Poverty Law Center on “right wing extremist recruiting” (check), and something from PSU Sociology Professor and reformed ex-skin-head Professor Blazak.  (Nope)  I’m two for three on a drinking game or bingo game of alt weekly fascist coverage.

Leaving that aside, and pointing out that I know that van, and with a passing reference to something about about this:

Anelauskas’ talk was moved to the Old Wives’ Tales restaurant on East Burnside Street. About 12 people showed up to hear his talk on the Frankfurt School, a group of 20th-century Marxist scholars Anelauskas accuses of sabotaging Western culture. In a video of the lecture available online, Anelauskas makes no overtly anti-Semitic remarks.

Predictably enough, this has been clipped by Lyndon Larouche and his organization for their salad of conspiracy theories… see here, 5 paragraphs in — a list of those sorts of things, read by nobody.

But leaving that side, the thing I found peculiar enough about this article.  Tell me if I’m wrong with this one.  There is something unconvincing and incomplete about this history of the “Anti Fascist Movement” for Portland:

Anti-fascism first arose in Europe in the 1920s to oppose violent far-right groups, and has since spread to the Americas and Australia. Rose City Antifa is part of the Anti-Racist Action Network, which boasts 20 chapters in cities across the U.S. and Canada.
Rose City Antifa was founded in 2007, when anti-racists organized to shut down a meeting of the neo-Nazi Hammerskin Nation set for the Sherwood Elks Lodge.

So, it took 80 years for the “Anti Fascist Movement” to spread from Europe to Portland?

Funny quote found at Alex Jones site, regarding the old chest-nut (which predates Jones’s birth) that detention/internment camps are being built around the US desert landscape, for designated use in the not unforseeable future:
The interment camps are strictly for 9/11 truthers. All the self proclaimed engineering experts should be able to figure a way to build a ladder to climb out………right?

A recent bloggers’ quotation (for the blog of the American Prospect) I’ve stashed away, placed in this blog a couple of times:
“Fringe movements often follow a sort of pattern, where the initial genuine energy of fringe devotees is exploited for the financial gain of their leaders, who then collapse into infighting over reaping the benefits.”

 Here’s a ”9/11 Truther” at a message board I travel to, and most of this disinterests me except for the one sentence I have boldened

First of all I never said a DAMN THING about any conspiracy. That is the problem with you people that concentrate on who did what instead of what actually happened.
We are talking about an inanimate object hitting another inanimate object. In this case an airliner hitting a skyscraper. The problem is figuring out what could occur as a result of that action. Skyscrapers must hold themselves up. The WTC towers were 110 stories above ground and 6 below ground. So the 100th level had to be strong enough to support 10. The 90th level had to support 20. The 80th had to support 30, etc., etc., etc.
So what is the difficulty about knowing the quantity of steel and concrete on every level? Do you know how much the south tower moved when the plane hit it? Has that been discussed on TV? According to the NCSTAR1 report it moved 12 inches at the 70th floor which was 130 feet below the impact point. The building stopped the plane in 0.6 seconds even though it was 150 tons doing 550 mph and my extrapolations says the tower moved 14 inches at the impact level.
So don’t throw any conspiracy crap in my face because actually at this point I don’t give a damn who did it or why. So since the building weighed over 400,000 tons and was designed to sway 3 feet in a 150 mph wind people that want to dismiss this with some shallow “conspiracy crap” reasoning but haven’t put any RATIONAL THOUGHT into the physics are TOTALLY UNAMERICAN in the nation that put men on the MOON.
July 20th was the 40th anniversary. And most of the so called TRUTH MOVEMENT talks idiotic drivel. Whether video has been altered or not doesn’t affect physics.

That at least gave me enough “common ground” to post the list of assorted 9/11 Truth miscreants found here.

ROFL

- The would-be politician who was dropped from her party of choice for declaring that Israeli-owned businesses in the World Trade Center were tipped off in advance of 9/11, but blames Jewish interest groups for her own stupidity.

Sounds like Kevin Barret but the wrong sex? I don’t know if he was dropped.
I have exchanged emails with him and get regular emails from his Truth Jihad but pay little attention.
I went to Chicago to listen to Richard Gage last year and met some somewhat fruit loops people but I am not involved with the MOVEMENT in any way. I just put up and read what I want on the net.

AND

- The peacenik who won’t work with any other Truthers because everybody in the Pacific Northwest is an FBI agent.

Must mean Howie. Were you issued a badge and a gun?

- The chiropracter who smoked a big fatty before giving a “lecture”, then sent me a rambling and emotional 5-page screed when I said I didn’t understand what he was trying to say. He’s now a UFOlogist who believes he’s part of ancient Native prophecies. When the 2012 chaos hits, he’s going to head for a fenced-off area reserved for the world’s elite.

Paging Zenman…

That’s all.
I’m wondering if “9/11 Truth” is fading into the fabric of our conspiratorial imaginings, somewhat away from political activism and into a sedate always-at-the-ready market.  There is no “Kennedy Assassination Truth Movement”, for instance.

Tumbling over the comments sections of various sites, we come to comments such as:

Are the Humiliating Comment-makers Netizens CHICOM or just ACORN?
Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they’ve been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They’re paid about $.25 each, I’ve read.
Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”
That’s what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the Chinese have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland?
But the CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time. They’ve apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies (Remember what they did on 6/6/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0’s Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he’s actually the Anti-Christ (Imagine the desired reactions.) That his name, “Barrack Obama,” means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew in the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105527
This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting ads in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth become “The Truth.”r

There is no argument against those points or order.

The constitutional crisis that might erupt if this thing is not resolved:

40 years ago, a young Bart Sibrel sat in front of a tv set, mesmerized by the moon landing, sharing in Walter Cronkite’s mixture of awe on the landing and confusion over the “One Big Step” line.  Perhaps taht nagging feeling was there at the start, but in his telling that nagging feeling kicked in only later: was this even real?

So the numbers, the figures, the dots didn’t add up.  And he pulled together his conspiracy.  Years later, he would confront the great Fraud and Fakester, Buzz Aldrin, and Aldrin would punch him in the face.

As the times have passed, Buzz Aldrin has tipped his hand.  He urges that mankind avoid returning to the moon at all cost — better to bypass the Moon and travel to Mars.  What does Buzz Aldrin want to hide the Moon from all of Humanity?  We can only speculate.

Regarding Bart Sibrel: it looks like he has managed to corner the “Moon Hoax” conspiracy theory.  When you say, “Moon Hoax”, I think Bart Sibrel.  This is a way I don’t associate a single person with, say, “9/11 was an inside job” or with “Where’s Obama’s birth certificate?”  Quite a hat trick Bart Sibrel has accomplished — I guess he gets credit for advancing the issue he didn’t create.

I think I’ve seen this camper before, stocked to the barricades with bumper-stickers.  The most visible is at the top of all four sides:  “9/11 Was An Inside Job”.

Beyond that, there’s “End Wars for Oil and Or Israel”, “9// Controlled Demolition”, “US Troops out of the Middle East!”, “Arrest Bush Cheney Pearl Ashcroft Rice Rumsfeld Powell 9/11 Wars Crimes Lies” (Time to update to the new administration.)  “Bush Rage Allowed”.  “No War on Iraq” “No War on Iran” “IMPEACH” “I Love My Country But Fear my Government”.  “One Nation Under Guard”.
This is one side of the camper.  I didn’t jot down the other side.

And then we throw in these two:

“Ron Paul for President” and “Dennis Kucinich for President”.

Huh.  I guess we do get this from time to time.  But is the optimum ticket Paul / Kucinich or Kucinich / Paul?

I suppose the owner of this camper takes the vast arraignment of disagreements between Paul and Kucinich over the scope of government welfare and beauracracy as meaningless.  The areas of agreement are almost meaingless too, save a point of departure to 9/11 Truth.

I kind of don’t understand it.  It took 12 days, 12 entire days, for the Alex Jones website “prisonplanet.com” (I know I could probably try to check in with what I suppose to be the higher profile “infowars” site, but I will go one or the other route with this one) to explode with an overload of “Da Conspiracy De Iran”.

Sure, there was a sputtering up before then.  But it took until two days ago for it to overflow the page.  Today, the page is less dominated by Iran, but two days ago looked like all the hallmarks of a campaign.

It took that long to thread their nihilistic needle, of assembling all the random dots and drawing all the necessary contrived lines, in line with blaming the CIA?
What?  Was this an abundance of caution?  They really needed to check their sources, and double-check, and find collaborating information?

Checking in with my other source of largely conspiratorializing aggregating – “Information Clearing House”, I see a George Soros. 

Meanwhile, Jeff Rense links to this here with the phrase “CIA May Have Executed Neda (big Surprise.”)   It is a straight-forward acceptance of the Iranian government’s straight faced lie.   (As well, isn’t it nice to see Israel Shamir’s analysis posted here, striking that oh-so-finely tuned balance between a demonstration of a more open Iranian government and a Totalatarian Jack-bootery.  He’s a real Centrist Conciliator, that “Israel Shamir”.)

I am to believe that the Iranian protests are one giant CIA (or, you know, whatever) psy-ops project.  Every bit of it.  The election was fair and legitimate — and if they weren’t, it falls under the field of legitimate Iranian constitutional purview — and if not, don’t you realize there are children starving in Africa?
Now let’s examine the history of “False Flag Operations”.

Surely Jeanne Kirkpatrick’s “Blame America First Crowd” phrase is largely an overused invective, used mainly by people prone to an American Exceptionalist viewpoint “my country right or wrong”, “America is the greatest country ever in the world comma sniff and you had better share that sentiment hand shake”, downplaying any negative action the American government has played in the world, or ignoring the negative feeling that engendered to the nations treated as chess pieces during the Cold War with the Soviet Union.

Our conspiratoralizing nit-wits?   Forget “blowback theory” in placing some blame or causality past the Islamic Fundamentalist perpetrators of 9/11 and to American and Superpower actions of the past — the functional target of the phrase “blame america first” and how it is prone to misfire in its stand against governmental stove-piping,
Forget that too, because in their worldview there are no Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists.  But we can’t even quite call them the “Blame America First” crowd.  It’s the Oligarchy.  And there are no other independent actors.  They have framed their perceptions to a narrow vantage point, — a more feasible idea might be something on the order of an intersection of overlapping conspiracies — that might get them out of this box where they are parroting an Iranian police state’s propaganda for the death of the poster-rallying matyr Neda.  (Which they wouldn’t in a million years do for some of the gross improprieties of the American state.  Or Israel — see: Rachel Corrie).

The other word from the “right” in the history of our politics, from out of Leftist support and apologizing of the Soviet Union, was “useful idiots”.  But it’s hard to put a finger on how “useful” the fringe is in this regard.  They’ll need to crowd further into the “mainstream” frame before they can be rewarded with such a title.

But… why did it take so long?  Was there some sort of coordination necessary to maximize an effect?
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The brohauhau over Obama taking the Huffington Post query is wrong-headed.  Never mind the “Iranian” and “Internet source” angle of signals — she asked the most pertinent question: whatever the long term holds (and the overthrow of the Shah in 1979 occured over a year, with long subdued periods when the threat to the government seemed to have passed), Ahmadinejad behind Khamenei will be situated in power — and so the question:

“Under which conditions would you accept the election of Ahmadinejad, and if you do accept it without any significant changes in the conditions there, isn’t that a betrayal of the — of what the demonstrators there are working towards?”

I don’t know the answer to that questio.  And Obama dodged it, meaning … we will wait to see if the Obama Administration has an answer to that question.

Iran is going to fade from the public’s mindspace and American’s notorious short attention spans.  Meaning it will be up to you to take actively care, if you so feel inclined, in short order.