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Sunday, January 16th, 2022

I. New Split Messaging

Attempting to make a kind of “turn”: It‘s time to go from ‘the one liners’ and ‘fun catch phrases’ (“Let’s Go Brandon?”) to actually addressing the nature of the problem, along with the nature of the solution. A not so subtle dig at the pac.

For the practical meaning of this message: For all their faults, at least the LaRouche org are constantly issuing communiques about every world event like a proper shadow government in waiting.

Oliver Stone on his JFK conspiracy fix. Helga happy to double it — though, of course, Lyndon did not always like JFK.

One Humanity” is the new phrase. Figure out Dzagi’s Larouche quote as well you can. Continue in China’s propaganda… Taiwan brings images of Haiti

LPAC slides with Elon Musk. (Larouche Irish Brigade is with lpac.)

Bold statement: If we would publish right now LaRouche’s collected worksâ, it would have the same effect as the introduction of Plato to the Italian Renaissance. I guess that is all that is needed to affect this “total renaissance” Daniel ?Burke postulates is the only thing that will stop that WW3 Helga forsees. If that is the case — well, the Larouchies have their vanity press running — and only them.

Or maybe it is more like… This cartoon.

Point: AOC ignored Julian Assange and Mike Gravel but celebrated John McCain and Harry Reid. Tell me again how she’s on your side? Counterpoint: Maybe she noticed Gravel was shilling for Lyndon Larouche.

Willard Kolb takes it up for LORG and against LPAC. I am certain that never in a million years would Lyndon LaRouche have allowed his name to be attached to such sophistical drivel. In your zeal to polish the knobs of the Mike Pompeo faction, you are systematically repudiating everything that Lyndon stood for. And here David P Hunt wanders into two streams of messes — The first the delicate exacting definitions laid out by lpac, the second its contention of its representation. (LPAC really not in any position to read RINOs out of the party, are they?)

And then there is: Harley is not associated with LaRoucheaPAC anymore. Sad. LPAC adopting Trump’s Twitter style.

II. Kids and their MTV video games

Daniel Burke hounds the definitions of art, rejects what is, statistically speaking, all music. The people will get a tidy small collection of what are turned here into into museum artifacts, and they will learn to like it, and like it the right way, and not deviate from the correct pitch, ever.

I was considering the lyrics of the Pink Floyd song “Pigs (Three Different Ones” — which are subtle as a brick but also when I listened to the Animals as a teenager skipped past me.

Hey you, Whitehouse Ha ha, charade you are You! House proud town mouse Ha ha, charade you are You’re trying to keep our feelings off the street You’re nearly a real treat All tight lips and cold feet And do you feel abused? You! Gotta stem the evil tide And keep it all on the inside Mary, you’re nearly a treat Mary, you’re nearly a treat But you’re really a cry

The other two “pigs” are the Labor Party pm — the name skips past me — and the Conservative Party opposition leader — Thatcher. But Mary Whitehouse is the one they decided to be named and id-ed, even as the casual barely listening to the lyrics Yankee bloke would assume it was a nod at the American President. Whitehouse was moral crusader, apparently. I guess in a decade if they were American they would shouting at. Tipper Gore instead. Too bad there is no obvious insulting smear at the name Gore, though.

There was an odd little hic up where, out of nowhere directed to no one discernable, Burke tweeted a “Get off those goddamned video games, for Christ’s sake.” (paraphrasing). The only possible item of connection was that a flutter of tweets came in soon after, congratulating a guy named Larouche on programming a hot new “first person shooter”, jamming messaging somewhat. But who knows?

III. Memories

Larouche people stole money from me, and from a lot of other people. You people put out that book “Railroad” denying it but I know it firsthand. You discredit anything that you touch.

in all seriousness The Simpsons are the only reason I looked into LaRouche shortly after 9/11 even got a stack of pamphlets mailed to hand out at UT-Chatt. Then I read about how women have sexual disgust because of the placement of their genitals and like “oh no, it’s a cult.”. That’s such an amazing anecdote I love this. I encountered them at Iraq war protests back during the Bush administration and quickly gave them a wide breadth from all the cult vibes I was getting from from them. I never met one in person, but yeah was already making flyers about MK Ultra and govt surveillance since 9/11 had just happened. Talked on the phone with some but yeah once I started digging def major cult vibes.

Daniel Burke: I forgot to tell you I went to a pro-China Qiao collective conference with Code Pink & got blocked from talking to the keynote spkr by a Degrowther.

I know the feeling well. I once read a very weak book on Schiller, and then found out that its author was some crazy LaRouche supporter. It was very unfortunate for Schiller that some radical political cult of lunatics decided to choose him as their hero.

Grad school: I have to admit, it was the best time of my life. I particularly enjoyed watching Baltimore’s Maoists and Trotskyites scream at each other from across Greenmount Avenue, with a vague backdrop of gunfire (given that it was the crack epidemic). Then during my daily runs screaming “Lyndon Larouche sucks” just to see how far his supporters, passing out literature on the corner, would chase me before they gave up. Good times.

as i lay in bed waiting for a chance to get a covid test or something i think about how lyndon larouche was for much of his life a resident of leesburg virginia. normally this would make me either laugh or cry but im just staring at my ceiling thinking “damn.” leesburg, for context, is a large community in my area and easily my least favorite community in my area as well that place is so fucking batshit its no wonder he could blend in so well what if i die thinking about lyndon larouche, do i get to join the ranks of his 72 virgins

A Larouchie once followed me down LaSalle Street calling me a drug dealer because I wouldn’t acknowledge his bizarre ideas.

one day in 2002 while walking around union square i saw an anti-war banner at a table and signed my name up for some contact list. for the next year every friday at 9pm a sweet, psychotic octogenarian larouchite would call my landline to talk about NASA and the verdi tuning pitch. I finally moved apts and they stopped bugging me, but it was a very interesting experience. they REALLY wanted me to come down and join the schiller institute. imagine all the hi-tech, skull and dagger, private intelligence agency wingnut shit they could have plugged me into anyways, interesting to see larouchism is seeing a comeback! was in a commie reading group in 2008 that assigned readings from lyn marcus on dialectics but i always thought that was just a random oddity. maybe they’ve been waiting for this very moment for their big comeback!
friend of mine got aggressive calls daily for two years about the need to reinstate glass steagal
The LaRouchies used to maim and kill dogs and livestock of neighbors they didn’t like (ie all of them) where i grew up, I don’t know how sweet they are
NEVER give LaRouchies a number. i signed up my friend as a joke in 2002 (seattle) and he got calls for years. i felt bad afterward. are they still drawing hitler mustaches on everything and singing classical choirs and refusing to discuss Operation Mop Up?
Really sad I was born too late to have an encounter with the larouchites. One of the many burdens the Zoomer Left must bear.
Yeah I think I ran into the last ones in Beantown when I moved there for college in 06 and was really confused when I was accosted
Yeah but did she tell you about the Queen being a reptoid who is involved in a modern ISIS cult and controls the world’s drug trade? (tbf a few of those are probably true)
nah like scientology you have to be farther in to get the scoop on that galaxy brain shit
Waiting 15 years, paying massive amounts of money and getting my e levels read just to find out the elites are drug runners and pedophiles
bummed I only ever came across Avakianists in Union Square, nothing this exotic
It’s funny how much I think of Larouche stuff as “before my time” and then I see an example of a Larouche flier or poster and remember seeing it at five or six different events

I’m with you on the sentiment – but technically several people have run from jail. It’s not been very successful for them, but I grew up seeing campaign stuff in the mail from Lyndon LaRouche, even as he was in the slammer in Minnesota.

So were all those Lyndon LaRouche volunteers nuts? What was the deal? All dead.

I accidentally wandered into a “bookstore” in Boston in 1989(?) that turned out to be run by the LaRouche wackos and let me tell you it was an experience

feel sorry for young folks who have no experience of life before social media or 24-hour news. When I was a kid, the bat-shit crazy tin-foil babble that is now commonplace in political discourse, even from elected officials, was relegated to UHF after-hours paid programming… Certainly, although you’re not gonna get me to wax nostalgic over Lyndon LaRouche. But

I remember from the ages of 12-17 or so Id always talk to various political peoples tabling or campaigning on the streets Trots, SWP, ISO, commie party, Avalons Revolution group, Larouchites, a guy who handed out Chick comics, Scientologists, libertarians, objectivists The Falun Gong weirdos, the free Tibet group, the pan African Union, many fundamentalist Christians, and all sorts of other people. Some went as far as meetings or conferences or the rest (like ISO charted bus to protests or a libertarian conference i went to at 14 LMFAO). […] What I noticed early on was that the nicer people were on an individual level, the more twisted their ideology. The Christian fundies & libertarians were nice , the white Pan African Union dude in a dashiki wasn’t so nice. […] There were exceptions in each camp. The Larouche people weren’t nice, and Anarchists generally were. […]. The funniest episode was when the Larouchites abs Objectivisrs went to war and the Larouche people would break up the Objectivist events by singing choir music, and would derail Q&A by asking Nonsensical and ultimately non-question questions often about Venice & the medicis. The objectivists did a a Q&A on just war theory and Iraq etc blaming Islamo fascism or whatever and i remember at my turn (i followed one of the Larouche disrupters) i asked about Kurdistan, & was like doesn’t i meet all your states criteria (secular, non authoritarian etch

LaRouche is a bizarre figure. I first learned about him when I was trying to learn more about a math object called a Riemann surface (I’m a grad student). I searched Riemann Surface on youtube and I learned that LaRouche has hundreds of videos on youtube claiming to be about…..math but if you actually listen to what the speaker says it’s all gibberish. I have no idea why they would put so much effort into something so pointless but I can only imagine it involves money laundering. This is the video I’m talking about. A lot of it… resembles actual mathematics. It reads as if he pulled a ton of stuff off of wikipedia but didn’t understand it and just threw it all together into a jumble of nonsense.

Roughly similar criticism: I support their Platonism over Aristotle, but yea, sometimes the 1v1 approach to historical narrating is too confining & misses far more interesting combination (like Berkeley as an empirical platonist). And they tend to just pick specific historical figures and either idolize them or demean them ( Cusa, that one venetian dude, bruno etc). I personally think aristotle is unfairly stereotyped and his metaphysics should be seen as a idealist sucessor to plato, not as a empiricist.

I went to college with several friends who became captive, almost literally, to the Lyndon Larouche cult. I could not shake them from it, tho yrs later a few broke free. (Less interested here in gripes about “false consciousness” for the “women supporting the patriarchy” Twitter dialogue than finding the specific meaning for “almost literally” “held captive”.)

I was detained for questioning for dumping my coffee on the LaRouchies table at the Oakland Airport, but I wasn’t hauled in.

Two guys stationed at a local post office with an information table, brochures, and a petition tried to convince me that we need to establish a human colony on Jupiter (um…this is one of gas giants with no actual solid land). They were part of the Larouche movement. Weirdos

Fun fact a Lyndon LaRouche cult member tried recruiting me they’re very weird people who believe in some weird conspiracies. They gave me a long like 50page print out of their beliefs and it didn’t take that long to get anti-Semitic.

I remember this—my first election where I was old enough to vote and went for LaRouche just for lols. Glad my instincts were right! (LORG steps in for this obvious seeker to redirect him from his lpac linking.)

The people of the Popular Primary, they look like the fans of Jacques Cheminade who held awkward stands in the street. An illuminated and imbecile smile on their face, they asked “Do you know the analyzes of Lyndon Larouche?”. Fleeing remains the best solution.

IV. History

Urban Meyer’s Dad discovered to have given a donation to the Larouche for President committee of 1980. Given he goes on to donate to Kasich, (or is that his son — current coach in the Jaguars — but why is his father the “jr”?). A sports podcast evidently unearthed this as dirt to toss out in an anti-Meyer digression at the 6:25 mark, and I don’t know enough to know what sports conspiracy mocking follows… a college football coach who is not good in the professionals, and anyone even a quarter-aware of pro football knew on the outset was doomed.

The “vast right wing conspiracy” line as adopted by Larouche: Monica as a honey pot I remember at a Larouche meetup years ago (’09) the speaker theorized that it was designed to get him to sign out of law the Glass-Steagall act in ’99.

A review of “Sexual Impotence of Puerto Rican Socialist Party

An interesting attempt by a Tarpley fan to place Webster Tarpley’s work within his time with Larouche as above, not directed by, Larouche

Bob Dole dead at 98. A segment of the populace really only know from a Simpsons “Treehouse of Horror” episode or as sitting next to Larouche on Futurama.

Historical counter-narratives. Ebeggin continues.

Libertarians trying to assemble meaning out of Perot and Larouchie electoral semi-successes for purposes of their party, trip a bit.

The weirdest thing about my Grandpa’s cult was how it attracted so many musicians because on top of accusing the Queen of England of running the international drug trade, they also had really solid takes on music theory. I wonder how many of the retvrn architecture guys are basically just trying to do what Larouche was doing with the A440 tuning forks nonsense but with fascist architecture theory.

Curious: American writer LaRouche said: “Biden administration, which is under the control of the Jewish lobby, will invade the Middle East to realize the dream of Great Israel. Since the dreams of Great Israel also include Turkey’s lands, it will invade Turkey, so… When you listen to an article in the Ak-it newspaper and what the Cubbel narrates as if it was a prophecy, you realize that we will have a collusion in 2023 with the image of a war in Aleppo. The collusion ends abruptly with the voice from the sky by Elon Musk. Then all together to Jerusalem — Is there some other apocalypse minded American Larouche? (always specified as belonging to ” US”).

Speaking of Apocalypse, Apocalypsis Apocalypseos tosses out a new Larouche quote for your consideration.: Since approximately the time of the assassination of President Kennedy, this planet of ours has been plunging at a generally accelerating rate into a general economic, social, and moral collapse.” — Lyndon LaRouche (1991) — For the better, if you read his Walter Lippmann book.

Strangely enough, even the Larouchies praised the government of Caracas for staging an orchestra with thousands of people (no corona there?) to “send love into the universe”, while people have massive difficulties finding their subsistence.

A World that coulda been: selling the Ibykus Estate to Kevin Costner.

Some peoples having fun with the list of “biggest influences” on thinking… Some may be serious, Others aren’t.

Hm… fun fact: a reason reagan got elected was because cult leader/national bolshevik LaRouche had cult members run in elections, get popular, and then use their popularity to endorse reagan so voters would think “even democrats are endorsing him” fact check: nope.

In defense of the Larouchie (and at times Old New Left) line that old “MKUltra” or whatever British agents dropped the Beatles and countercultural debris to turn the youth away from politics — repeating itself in snarky disregard here, there, — we have this message from Columbia / CBS / The Man.

John Birch Society artifact brings out a college memory.

Nuclear history

Debating trains, part of a balanced transportation diet but segues into a “Train Utopia”nism. (Or Snowpiercer dystopia.)


MST3K screen capture.

Never knew Lyndon LaRouche tried to smear the great Andrew Kopkind as a “CIA operative.”

International Jewish Bankers… And etc. And here is one guy declaring Larouchee was right... Bashing CNN and rt,.

Larouche’s views on Aristotle, that he was an agent of Phillip of Macedon dedicated to destroying Plato’s School, et al. comes from Notre Dame Greek Philosophy and Law expert, A. H. Chroust who was arrested by FBI for Nazi sympathies. It is not some sort of Jewish conspiracy.

Lyndon Larouche voice* and we stopped teaching Harmonices Mundi because the Aristotelian elites want us DEAD

Hm. Republicanism versus Democracy, one side when the wrong demogauge wins: The promise of the two-party system was that there could never be George Wallace or Lyndon LaRouche ever elected president. Cooler heads would prevail and the party bosses would prevent it. This was always a fallacy. We need ranked choice voting. The promise of the party primary was to circumvent such selections as Dillard party functionaries Warren Harding. In an alternate universe, Trump still wins the Republican primary as the one with the most solid support with Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz etc voters slighting everyone else.

The Gravel Institute takes its stance against liberalism.

The Citizens Electoral Council rose by stepping on the corpses of LILAC.

When Mario Caponnetto signed a petition.

What do you think the funniest “Jim Bakker and Lyndon LaRouche are cellmates” situation would be now? Joe Rogan and Human Pet Guy, I think.

V. Touring

Newsbreak: CPUSA, Lyndon Larouche Reps, and Jehova’s Witnesses brawl over space to distribute pamplets in front of WalMart.

This is what I saw at Bayside Station today. I’m told that they have popped up near speed cameras as well. They are illegal and anyone who removes them is doing the public a service by an anonymous source. Um, I knew who Lyndon Larouche was, and I know what the Green New Deal is. I know what traffic cameras are, too. But I can’t figure out the relationship among these three things. That sign makes no sense to me at all. Is it kind of a coded message, like: “Stopping at stop signs is for liberal pussies! Don’t let anyone tell you what to do, patriot! But this one has a traffic camera pointed at it, so don’t let the blue mob in City Hall get your hard-earn American dollars! So stop at this one.”

How can you refute this offer? Would anyone in DC like to take a trip to Loudon County to visit Lyndon LaRouche’s house

Justice for Ashli “free j6 prisoners” — Directing you to lpac. “Jim 4 Communism” likes the lorg webinars. An ideological split, I suppise.

Marxists Postulating on Caleb Maupin. I just considered him one of the weird cranks you get from the American micro-sects, and knew he was at least a crank & imbecile from the FDR posting and the palling around with George Galloway. The amusing thing about this here is that even as I have to take a more involved look to see that this is sarcasm — it works if it were sincerity. Caleb was a big inspiration for me when he said “antifa are the real fascists” he really has a gift for understanding the present moment. Strongly recommend him for anyone who loves Lyndon Larouche or Aleksander Dugin

Maupin counters with a new poster!

Kvetching from Wayne State students, who need that lecture.

LORG sighted at a PO.

Selling to Mike Pompeo. LPAC tries to jump to China government influencer.

Burke reaches out to Tulsi.

Please consider the latest statement of Helga @ZeppLaRouche of the @SchillerInst, in which she quotes you an Sure.

Conferencing at a round table with American neo- Maoists like the Workers Progressive Party and Friends of Socialist Party. “toadies“. Attention Comrades!

Hashtag collection, selling to this confluence of interests: #cryptocurrencies #blockchaintechnology #Larouche #americansystem

Another letter to the editor from Ron Wieczoreck. Larouche coined “quacademic”? I will have to try a search to see if and when people used that.

VI. Comparisons

The “alt right” “Reclaim America” marchers. (Note, “kkk v 2” would have to reference the 1920s version, kkk v 3 the 50s-60s and best I can make out v 4 is Duke era and who knows how to corral the fragments we have now. Also, ideally the police are on no side, upholding the jackasses’ right to assemble but and keeping violence at bay.). Q Shaman, onto amateur leftist investigators. Jill Stein (extended to Marianne Williamson and Dr. Oz). Newsmax, in its covering of Putin. Referencing “Great Larouche Toad Frog Massacre” to knock historical inaccuracies. Ayn Rand, as celebre for next iteration of a “post left” twitter, and by way off indicting Aaron Rodgers. Personality cults pervading the Right. Bob Avackian and Revcom. (Note to Andy Ngo: If you wish any sense of intellectual honesty, these aren’t the jackasses worth a focus). The Lincoln Project, though I gotta diagram a meaning of conspiratorial innuendo to understand the OANN supporter’s jab. Adrian Vermeule. Krysten Sinema. Donald Trump. And the current perma-supporters. Joe Manchin. Bernie Sauuuuuunders, with lob to Henry Wallace. Texas Attorney General Paxton. Haz, aka infracel, “making Communism fit Conservatives“. gazi kodzo. Posadists. A list. Bob Malone, Rev. Scott, mentally psychotic patients. Too wordy Union strike signs. Andy Yang. Rand Paul. Peter Coffin. Epoch Times. Ric Flair. Bob Avackian and his RCP — publications as FBI / CIA front-like, as in Larouchies’. A Stephen King character. Jesse Watters. Purveyors of “Biden with Hitler mustache” merchandise. Red Scare, Greenwald, Aimee Terese, Bruenigs, Chapo, Spiked, Catherine Liu, Elena Lange, Heartfield, Nagle, Lee Fang, and other weird right wing faux leftists, (puzzled by posting a photos shopped comic image as “actual real”, where tone through thread does not suggest room for this with tongue in cheek.). The potential left flank challengers of Biden 2024 — Nina Turner and Tulsi Gabbard and Marianne Williamson.

Confronted with the statement that “the CIA created all of modern American culture”, a ” Dulles invented the power chord” is one proper response, as too a familiar jab at Larouche.


Caleb Maupin i.d.s his influences. My political roots are Marcyism, Mao Zedong Thought & the teachings of William Z. Foster. (No Dugin?) I have never accepted Larouche’s ideas, despite some overlap. (And activist energy.).

Swerving into the “Weird web” of communists setting out to out-marx one another and establish a “brand”, there aren’t any ” good guys” per se. I suppose Maupin has a point (?) in LORG aligning with China’s government — though for the life of me I have no idea what it is the “International Communist Movement” is supposed to represent and what governments it needs to align with. (Things were so much simpler in a pre Sino Split Cold War.). I have no idea why the need to align with Russia’s government to affirm Communism Glory. But none of this is any fight I can have a dog in. “Extrm8or” and Caleb Maupin engage in mutual “erasure” of each other and anything and anyone connected thereof. Off of such tweets as this, Daniel Burke gets his chance to affirm a celebration of Operation Mop-Up and beating up Communists, (ironically sharing a pun used by an opponent)– a celebration reaffirmed here with kudos to Maupin —

Where recent disruptions from Caleb on the CP-USA has gotten comparisons.

(Don’t know where this is referred to, but it seems the gist of allegations toward Maupin.). (And this appears to be calling Maupin a Larouchie.). Hey! Look! A “Harrison Elfrink” joins the celebration of bashing commie skulls, because FBI agents may be in there, with great macho chest thumping — mostly on behalf of Dugin but it spills over to Larouche..

I must point out with this CP-USA screed that Matt Taibbi — who dissected the 2004 Kerry nomination speech by “tossing out every line that was bullshit” and announced that one line was not — identified himself more with with HL Mencken than any liberal or leftist or countercultural (Hunter S Thompson) icon.

As I understand a history of the CP-USA — I don’t know who the Hell heads it these days, so take a quick skance at Wikipedia and see.. — We have co-chair a right now! How Progressive. They follow off of a seemingly interim figure who had followed someone who decided to split to join the Democratic Party — question: was Sam Webb’s move to endorse Democrats controversial within the party? Dunno. (Note: at this time of this Communist popular frontism, the Larouchies were campaigning for Kerry.)

In this brohauhau, someone tweets out for anyone concerned the plaintive: Wasn’t LaRouche an anti-communist? And then –– I don’t know much about the Larouche movement — is it regarded as fascist in leftwing circles? Yeah, they kind of earned that keep at Operation Mop Up. (See here someone swallowing up the “FBI infiltrator” line.)

The Cold War presented a pretty firm grasp for a mission of the CP-USA — they side with Soviet Imperialism over American Imperialism. At the time of Gorbachev, they sided with the last grasp at a coup to maintain power — that one where Yeltsin emerged standing at a tank, which I suppose means that they were siding with KGB agent Putin who at the time was running clandestine operations to get the coup to happen — even as all definitions of Marxist communism fall by the wayside.

As Burke slides next to a Ramsey Clarke attempt to rewrite history to “Exonerate Larouche” by way of muddling the political landmines, a rehashing of events as the man sought to “consolidate left wing hegemony”.

The irony of the Chinese Communist Party meeting, and an actual Marxist salivating and fighting for a seat.

More dumping on Maupin. And what a thing to blast the CP-USA for! Misrepresented Dugin and additionally slandered Louis Farrakhan, Putin, and LaRouche. All while heaping endless praise on Biden & Kamala, the corrupt leadership of the BLM Global Network, and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. Sickening. And then this “Answer The Question!”. Larouche’s people were into Technological Prometheanism like NAWAPA and fusion energy. What is CPUSA’s take on terraforming Nevada desert into plant & animal habitats & creating infrastructural road to post-scarcity?

For their defense.

More. LaRouche ideas offer a comfortable monocausalism for liberal hipsters like Logo & Kantbot. They can blame endlessly things who no longer exist (Jesuits, Anglo Empire, Pandeism, Cybernetic) without enduring any censorship and then cultivate the pride of their illiterate followers. “Ron Paul Maoism”??? This grouping has more wiggle room for an attack, not stuck defending China.

Hm. Harrison Elfrink comes out in favor of a Unified Executive theory, “just so long as it is the correct dictator.” Past the quick insult at the CPUSA, I do not know how else to read that next statement.

We don’t need @CPUSA They are impotent and weak and have proven themselves to be a hostile force to progress in history. Kind of think of it, we don’t need a multiparty or parliamentary system that LaRouche warned against. I say we scrap it and reassert the Presidential Republic etc

China has use for both. Now if CPUSA could figure out the Schiller Institute is Larouche, they might even avoid other kinds of crypto fash infiltration. Or at the very least, they might be wise enough not to attend events where Schiller Institute is participating.

Then … Next… And… Think you should inform the CPC that Helga LaRouche’s Schiller Institute is not Marxist. And y’all should recall Lyndon La Rouche’s violent campaign vs. the CPUSA in Operation Mop-Up. Counterpoint: China gives two snits.

Earning their way into a “Top 5 Lame Marxist Group” list.

Miko Dzagi seeks out the followers of the Twitter influencer Maria, who is calling for Biden’s removal. Do you & your followers have the guts to face the truth & act in time?

The LORG reach out to Communist, as defined as Leninist, outreach continues here: I support Lyndon Larouche’s concept of energy flux density. Technocrats have shown that increases in power (steam then electric) is biggest factor in wealth generation. Lenin also agreed with constantly raising electric potential. Rapid energy increases is road to post-scarcity

Hitches and hitches: To know if a person’s a true revolutionary and anti-imperialist and not some Fabian faker… Bring up the British Question, the way LaRouche does, and see how they react.

John O’Loughlin expresses his disappointment in LORG on vaccination: Thanks. I wish I could get the Schiller Institute/LaRouche people to wake up. I’m doing research into Charité, Drosten etc. not relying on Fuelmich, but his work seems very good.

Inevitable ending point for a more pure third split in Larouche movement.

VIII. Debris

The question of Larouche’s recruitment success.

Someone can explain this Twitter battle to me. If the Hamiltonian spouting Larouchie is still propping up Trump, they must be with LPAC as opposed to LORG.

IX. Breadtube… (?) Exposed(?)

A “red – brown” alliance between the “Black Hammer” and the Proud Boys brings out a bunch of references on “larouche 2.0“, andtremendous Larouche energy“, Black Hammer “taking a LaRouche-style turn“.

Discussing comparable alliances — WWP and League of the South. And this list: It’s the Marcyites. It’s the Communist Party of Canada and its front groups. It’s the LaRouche cult. It’s Ken Stone and his “Hamilton Coalition to Stop the War.” It’s ANSWER. Stop The War. Grayzone. It’s always the same people because they’re all united by corruption.

Scratch one’s head at this reaction to a reaction to Helga Zepp. And if you’re going to yell at and insult someone, leave Mrs. Zepp-LaRouche out of it. You deal with me, and me alone. Helga Zepp needs to be shielded from easily ignored tweet responses?

Okay. Rorschach test Time. What do you see when you see the headline that “Grayzone” has the “documents” and connected dots that “Exposes” Breadtube? One side gives a “What is this? Larouche crap?” — Did Helga LaRouche ghostwrite this?, On a holy day? This? Is nothing sacred?! Got about halfway through it. Reeks of LaRouche, This is uncannily like Larouche stuff, This is an extension of Maupin’s “Synthetic Left,” which posits that antifascists are controlled opposition aligned with the CIA. You know, as opposed to the pro-billionaire LaRouche cult affiliate whose entire opinion is for sale to whatever country is willing to pay, etc,

Explaining the controversy: They’re basically just Infowars for tankies and,just like how Alex Jones and his gang (and Larouche come to think of it) believe that the Tavistock Institute is to blame for everything they hate after WW2,so do the Greyzone gang believe that Breadtubers are to blame everything they hate in the online and offline left after 2018 and,just like Tavistock Institute,are secretly funded by THE DEEP STATE to destroy everything they like and control us. Breadtube bad” leading to familiar lines.

GrayZone is sounding like Lyndon LaRouche. LaRouche’s existed in the real world, though, I’d like to see these losers hand out pamphlets claiming the president is the reincarnation of Hitler at every train station in the metro Boston area.

And Daniel Burke for the Larouchies jump in with Now, will you listen to Lyndon and Helga? LANDBRIDGE NOW!

X. And then

Since when does LORG get a “UN Representative“? Or, as Daniel Burke marks him “rep. of The Schiller Institute to the UN”. Hey — it is how China’s state media posts him. (No longer able to mis-id him as a US Senator, as opposed to Virginia State Senator.)

On tiffs of great solutions to our problems, steering away from anything smacking of “Malthusianism”: A General problem in arguing for the filling of population sparse parts of the country: the people there really kind of enjoy the sparsely populated lands… Elbow space you can’t get in the city. But, then again, they tend to be fonder than average of country music which, by definition, is not Bach at a renewed pitch count so there are stumbling stumbling block which abound.

Podcasts podcasts and another podcast

Tuesday, November 30th, 2021

I. Plato Playdo

Something worth dipping at with this Daniel Burke tweet: The only real way to fix the “gender” problem in the youth today is to initiate a new CCC. Give young people the opportunity to gain stable, productive employment (w/associated education benefits) building megaprojects of infrastructure. In that context, they can flourish. Can’t quite follow. Are stereotypical Sissy boys equipped for this hard hat duty? I suppose manly women may be.

I had been listening to selecions from the lecture series of Michael Segure found on youtube. — at 1.5 or even 1.75 speed because — to a degree I am only interested in picking up themes popping up in human history and because no one is giving me a pop quiz tomorrow. Relevant to the world of Larouche are the series on Plato — yep! Good fodder for your “Me for Dictator” types, or for a cult “Us for Dictator”. Here I gauge a kind of envy of power — someone somewhere is listening to the ” pronoun police” and not them, damnedit! Relegate these social justice warriors to silver souls, and LORG back up to their proper place of philosophy kings…

The other relevant lecture for the field of Larouche, perhaps more so in its volitility on our politics, is the one on the Frankfurt School. A can of worms indeed.

We have some further sentiments here: /r/antiwork is a typical attack on the very idea of productivity. Organized cynicism is the prerequisite for fascism. As hyperinflation increases, will the youth demand more money be printed, or will they demand Glass-Steagall & megaprojects of infrastructure? I don’t suppose the internet is full of subreddits and tiny segments of segments.

Points to be made here: moment when I recently read that larouche supplied intelligence to the psoe governments during the 80’s which was then used by the government sponsored death squads to target eta (needless to say more innocent people died than actual eta members)

Apocalypsis Apocalypseos sharpens his anti-Larouche bonfires by passing on a dumb quote showing how stunningly wrong his forecasting was. “There’s no possible way that the present int’l monetary-financial system could be continued without collapsing civilization into a prolonged new dark age out of which most nations will disappear & human population will drop rapidly to below 1 billion.” — Lyndon LaRouche (2001). Did not come to pass.

Yet, failed predictions that would make Toffler blush gets us nowhere. At least Ron Paulites can successfully sell a shirt.

Noted hypothesis on the less than Dark Ages inflationary troubles of the moment: due to inflation, orchestras must now tune to an A at 457.3 hz. LaRouche Movement in shambles

Har Dr har my extremely accurate intelligence report (lyndon larouche’s journals from the 80s) say that steve bannon will be assassinated in his holding cell on november 6th

A quote about gold and silver souls —

Over with LPAC, I must note a contradiction here: Democrats Fail to Explain the Inflation They Are Deliberately Feeding The floundering Biden Administration continued in early November to add to the perception that no one is really in charge in Washington, while otherwise acting deliberately to further.. If Democrats are acting deliberately to accomplish inflation… For nefarious purposes, I guess… And the deed is successful… How is this “floundering”? (They can only be ” floundering” if the goal is “not inflation”, or they are trying for Inflation but Inflation just isn’t happening.). Is this the situation where they are aiming for a ” Darks Ages Inflation”, and because they are falling far short that counts as a failure/ flailing? Round here, the application of the term ” Mussolini” for “Mussolini Joe” hits against a “can’t … Follow”.

Actually, there is something to note in comparing LPAC with LORG — at least as it goes with the Twitter feeds of Ben Denison and Daniel Burke. Denison, wearing his “Let’s Go Brandon” cap, pulls into MAGA politics of the moment and takes in some of the low brow patois — firmly populist in tone — needing to comment on a comment on the Rittenhouse judge. Probably not dissing the Greenwald “Proud to be an American” song, as Burke has — probably not differentiating with everything in proclaiming Popular music” is not other than a Dionysiac zero-growth cult created by the financial oligarchy to induce mass pessimism. And… Huh: The British Monarchy wants you to watch Netflix. Curious, as I was primed and ready for the sensational new horror seriesThe Wells of Doom. Anyway, it is an expansive definition of evil music which needles right at this classical music fan.

LPAC and LORG differences noted, with one line about who remains as cadres. Former members show up on youtube shows, hard to think of Chairman as “former member”..

II. China, China, China

I find this response to a slickly produced video by the Chinese government fascinating. The definition of selling the sizzle, not the steak — you put a few gleams on the film and rotate around at the top of the skyscrapers a bit, and it gets Daniel Burke drooling. The techno music he despises can not be separated from the overall presentation. Here Burke loves a pile of phrases from Chairman Xi. Yeah, if one likes that they would love the Weird Al song parody of Crosby Stills and Nash and corporate jargon.

Kidding or not? I just want huge residential skyscrapers with flashy lights It does amount to what the clip shows — nothing more and nothing less.

Oh, here is Chinese propaganda du jour — Chinese media brings us some “Western Perspective” on Chinese Democracy from the like of… Helga Zepp. Helga effectively playing the role Ahmad Chalabi played in our relations with Iraq during the Bush era in … Telling government officials what they wanted to hear and so getting promoted as foreign source.

Hm. Profound words on the not ending of history from Chairman Xi. The Larouche org stands at the beck and call to assist China in not ending history.

Getting to the meat of the issue, and how does one take such a query seriously?: Can a society whose youth spend most of their time masturbating successfully end imperial wars of conquest? Surely not. Seriously, whether there is a problem or not — even the most chronic masturbators are not doing so 8 hours a day.

Daniel Burke calls for censoring some unlistenable disagreeable podcast. Oddly, the most prominent issue displayed is “ICE must be destroyed” — a level of cognitive dissonance where through the Obama years what I saw from the Larouche organization — the commenter who used to frequent this blog as well the Kesha Rogers campaigns — woulda been on board with that statement, whatever the pronoun politics placed elsewhere.

Apparently the sources Helga goes to for supportive agreement of her economic platform — Lew rockwell, anachro-capitalist of the Mises/ Ayn Rand / Ron Paul vortex. Meantime, a blistering attack on Biden for provoking China from an aging Noam Chomsky which parallel the cult’s views — are ignored.

As for LPAC — it is notable where lpac responds when someone places them in with the stance of Epoch Times — not arguing that they are aligned in propagating war propaganda against China, but arguing technicalities on the formation of lpac.

Point: So I saw someone doing the standard Xinjiang denailism shit and I was like on a suicide net socialist and I was stunned to discover no it was a Larouchite, which is absolutely wild given that the Larouchites are the most Fedded up org in history. AND: Every time I find an actual LaRouche person on the internet it feels like I’m seeing a cryptid

III. Yelling Stuff at the Vice President

There is a mocking tweet out there, commemorating the parade for the WNBA champion Chicago Fire, with “Tens” greeting the team. We see too various comments on the protesting of Dave Chapelle and Netflix, with “Dozens” of activists in attendance.

So goes a speaking appearance by Kamala Harris in the Bronx. One Larouchie,. Then a few immigration activists outside. The good news for the Laouchie is he gets mentioned first — I guess it is what you get for breaking protocol — though my gauge is the activists outside end up making a better more permanent impression — I know everyone knows what their issue is with the Biden / Harris administration where the Larouchie leads everyone to assume Harris mollified by agreeing with that first issue, the second more obscure bit never gaining any traction.

Cant believe I missed a chance to check out the new YMCA & see Kamala get heckled by a LaRouche guy. You snooze you lose, I guess.

This reporter tweets as much on the interrupter’s point as anyone does: Harris gets heckled in the Bronx. He says people died from flooding here, then said something about her working with China on the belt and road initiative.

Sputnik gives the most favorable coverage, even if it fails to say anything of what the Larouchie was promoting. Spectrum News does not mention China — drowned out as it gets. Ditto this here. Ditto 1010 WINS, which gives the immigration protests more coverage. Interesting framing here — Although elected officials lauded Harris’ visit, it was not all smooth sailing, however. She faced roadblocks both inside and outside of the YMCA. 

With The Hill we finally get that second Harris not in any agreeance policy objective —

The man in the audience interrupted Harris mid-sentence while she was talking about “better health, better jobs and about families” to state that better infrastructure would have stopped people drowning in their basements in Queens during Hurricane Ida earlier this year.

Harris briefly engaged with the man, telling him, “you are right, brother” and adding “you and I will talk after I give my comments, and I am happy to talk with you.”

The man responded with “Why aren’t we [U.S.] working with the Chinese on their Belt-and-Road initiative?” 

Harris said, “But right now, let’s talk about the agenda that will include speaking to all people and allowing everybody to be heard, because that’s part of what we want in our democracy. Everybody gets their chance to talk and everybody gets a chance to be heard.”

The heckler was escorted out by security.

To the comments: Yes that comment was pretty absurd. China probably is paying him… Or he could just be some level of nutty in the head like Alex Jones.

Very weird conspiracy theories hitting The New York Post tweet comments: Planted by the Ds. Oddly, this conservative paper — giving a slant more favorable to the Parody his than anyone short of Sputnik — does not hit that second BRIC part.

The Hill’s Twitter feed fills up with Democratic partisans lauding Harris for handling him well and comparing her handling with Trump’s, Republican partisans claiming A disconnect between hearing him and removing him or possibly claiming martyr status or theorizing he was a plant. Both Jose Vega and Apoc. Apoc show up as well, but gain little traction.

… The YouTube interview with Caleb Maupin gets comments from — hm… A Chicago activist who uses a hashtag of “AbolishThePolice”. A dude who throws out “Marxism-Hamiltonism could be a good platform for the US”.

More feedback on Vega: Having China help us is like listening to The Kanamits in that old “Twilight Zone” episode where aliens came to Earth with a plan “To Serve Man” which turned out to be a cookbook. NYC is on the Atlantic ocean and just 33 feet above sea level. Unless Biden’s infrastructure bill can significantly raise the city’s elevation, NYC will always be at risk from flash flooding. As much as I want to say hes a paid actor like the you tube kids were, hes one of those hipster college green kids.. So anythings possible.

The oddest thing on LPAC and its pro forma coverage of Republican victories in Election 2021 — a big focus on Seattle municipal elections where…basically, everyone who was expected to win won. I suppose the person headlining their Twitter with “free J6 Prisoners”, in league with recent comments by Marjorie Taylor Greene (though she serves more toward Farrakhan), sides with LPAC over LORG.

IV. Memories

Saw LaRouche folks outside the post office in my hometown a few years back, was a real let down. Just boring “stand behind our president” stuff; was clear they were ruined by Trump like Alex Jones was. We want fun crank shit! Lecture me on tuning! Tell me the queen’s a lizard!

Yeah, about ten years ago I came across a group on my Uni campus with Hitler stache obamas on their placard. Their opening pitch was to build a massive pipeline from the Great Lakes to desert southwest. I don’t think they were successful. (refresher)

I remember one used to be able to get these little Larouche PAC newspapers back around 2010 or so? I had a small collection of of about 3 of them. The first one I got was called smthing like “Your Kids, First-Person Shooters and the Noosphere”. I ended up finding another couple. No idea where they are currently, but I did manage to find this in a used bookstore a couple years ago which somewhat makes up for having potentially lost them. Dang I miss that Children of Satan one… Larouchies brought it right to me on the street. lol really?! That’s pretty great. I remember I got the first pamphlet because someone just had it. I flipped thru it and was like “holy crap, can I *have* this? And they were like “of course, I have no idea what that is”. The other 2 I think I found in a plastic free news box

I saw Lyndon LaRouche getting frog marched out of his office when I was 7 by the Feds in Leesburg. Only bit of true crime bragging I can do

I remember when I was in highschool outside the post office there was a booth like this, and a big poster of Obama with a Hitler stache. I told them they should’ve used Stalin instead of Hitler since he was a left wing dictator. Wonder if that was LaRouche or tea party

My great aunt gave all her money to Lyndon LaRouche

it’s september 2009, i’m walking down a city street and i see a poster with a picture of obama dressed as the joker, with the word communist underneath it i make an offhanded comment to a friend of mine that the joker isn’t a communist a woman jumps out of a car to debate me

I can’t fit it all in one thread, but the LaRouchite Western Civ professor who had the rest of the faculty convinced he was a time traveler is still my #1. I had a teacher I figured out years later was a LaRouche nut because everything he talked about always ended up being the queen of England’s fault. Not England, or the empire – Personally her fault.

Going into the city as a young teen I knew I could get two things. Larouche pamphlets. And free packs of cigarettes on the spot. Usually on the same corner.

Not wholly sure what this means: The LaRouche cult connected post offices with some sort of conspiracy. I can’t even remember. Glad that’s pretty much gone. They were at post offices, but I do not know that post offices figured in the grand conspiracy.

Some sort of Squid Game/anti-Moderna confused protest in Kendall Sq this morning. Another thing I forgot I missed by not coming into the office. (Though the Lyndon Larouche fans who used to be here on occasion can stay away…)

The LaRouche-oid doing a propaganda table at LaGuardia, the one who was later punched by Phil Donohue, once screamed at me from behind his table as I walked away in 1984 after I mentioned I was a Green.

Somewhere out there there’s a video of me awkwardly in the background as my friend gets angry at a Lyndon LaRouche guy passing out pamphlets in Portland in ‘14

I remember LaRouche in the 80’s in an infomercial right before Johnny Carson,and my husband and I laughing thinking it was a comedy routine.

Don’t understand the random detail, but whatever. I vote for whomever is the best candidate. I don’t do party line. Hell I voted for Clinton. I refused to vote for McCain. I met him and talked to him while Larouche folks were outside. The veins in his head were just twitching. Not a good thing to have as President.

Biggest mistake I ever made was grabbing a larouche pamphlet for laughs and locking eyes with the guy running the table. A professor tried to get me to join a group borne out of LaRouche’s insanity. My dad was a super mellow person, but one time we stopped at a traffic light and were approached by a LaRouche guy, and holy hell did my dad get super aggressive. He GROWLED at the guy to get away from us. Scared the crap out of 10 year old me. I’ve never forgotten it. (continuing reactions to a sign…)

one of the most pretentious people* i went to high school with became a hardcore larouche table guy at some point and later became a DJ and i have this fear that he’ll discover my records and reach out to reconnect *e.g. B&W “brooding author at shady outdoor table” senior photo

I think a farmer interviewed in that doc about the small MN town in 1985 may have been a LaRouche guy because he goes on about how the markets are controlled by Jewish ppl but then throws the curveball of “they’re getting the President to enact their reactionary ideology.”

I had an uncle involved in that Linden LaRouche wacko political group. They felt strongly about a man named Mortimer Bloomfield. Got some cigarette-dropping reactions from the people of that era they confronted. I’m clueless myself, but it’s an fun net search, I’ll say that.

Leftists pondering entryism in forming coherent movements: As an old (very) veteran of the “Labor Left” it used to be that the biggest challenge in keeping mass movements viable were vanguard organizations like Workers World and RCP. Sure we had our kooks like Larouche but they didn’t show up at organizing meetings. they’ve shown up at leftist meetings here for a long time – LaRouche and Liberty Lobby specifically. why do you think they didn’t in the UK and why the change?

Meeting people met online in real world: When I acted like a friendly doofus, the only people who let me in the door were basically incel honeypots (right and left); when I started acting cagey and weird, I got to hang with Rastafarians and Rosicrucians and Crips and Kabbalists and LaRouchies &c

V. Comparisons

Josh Mandel. Rod of Iron Ministries, Or Moonies generation 2, specific to the relocation to Northern Virginia in the Reagan years. A killer in Columbo. Leftruckis, in German Pedestrian zones. Luther. (Links regrettably list for these next three) — Dinesh D’Souza. Bill Maher. Dave Chapelle supporters. Richard Dawkins, with facile political analysis. “Tankie Twitter“, with the odd complaint that there is no singular leader. ” Real P Navarro“, in his figurative face. CNP and CFP. the writings of the Shining Path. Rick Wiles. Andrew Yang. Ayn Rand. Joe Manchin. Marcyites. Roger Stone, familiar reasoning generally thrown at Donald Trump. The Lincoln Project. University of Austin — dove tailing or paralleling this line on CRT. (And a too hazy in its historical connecting WAPO editorial.). Average New Hampshirite. Gilbert Thibodeau. Tulsi “inflating inflation hawkGabbard, Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman, John Silber. Racist anarcho-capitalists. The “New Asset Class“. Anti vaxx ” Star of David” wearers. Michael Brian Protzman — ” qanon influencer” who lead people to Dallas to meet Zombie JFK. The media depiction of Kyrie Irving on his “flat earther”-ism vs ” never noted” lines for Aaron Rodgers — accusation of racial bias, unpack at will. Aaron Rodgers again. Haz. Going full Larouchie. (apparently getting tweets thrown at him by lingerie models who traffic in crude vulgar phrasings.). QAnon quantity.

conspiracy theories on Qanon conspiracy theories — Does anyone not think QAnon is a deep state operation after the ridiculous gathering earlier this month? Some of them never left and are waiting there to discredit the truth about JFK on the 22nd.

it plays the same function as larouche or david icke

QAnon is a newer, bigger version of Kerry Thornley’s Operation Mindfuck… an op designed to discredit reasonable suspicions of state criminality

And when @TrueAnon did their Larouche episodes, they pointed out how the Larouchies were reporting on the Franklin Scandal… There’s a whole genre of CIA conspiracies to discredit conspiratorial thinking using the “turd in the punch bowl” technique.

The perils if no one runs for a political party for a Senate seat unlikely to be won.

Caleb Maupin againCaleb Maupin started a political cult last year and they put on the most weird demonstrations, like a pale imitation of the old LaRouche gigs. And again. (Hm… Maoist rhetoric for this … Thisathingy.)

It gets curious as Communist Partiers tweet their disdain for Maupin — At least the LaRouche people had money as an incentive. You morons got suckered in for free. That’s a new one for all those rich Larouche rank and file members. (skeletons.)

Envisioning online mash-ups of subcultures with Larouche ideology.

Qanon. 2021: risking getting radicalized into qanon every time i need groceries 2001: risking getting radicalized into Lyndon LaRouche thought every time i need groceries

Infrared is the inheritor of Lyndon LaRouche In a few years time he will be on stream teaching his viewers how to beat up CPUSA members and trots with Nunchuks and talking about the Aristotelian dominance of the global order

Alex Jones supporter brings up comparison with Larouche court cases. (Jones makes no such connection, preferring at the moment to tag along with a “same George Soros people who tried to get Rittenhouse” are doing him dirty line.)

Julian Assange supporters, forced in tying with Rittenhouse verdict responses. Ascribing to political Enemies — this case Tom Cotton –For some reason this reminded me of LaRouchies bragging that they will be driving tanks down the streets of Chicago a couple of decades ago.

The “this is larouchian!” jibe which is thrown a couple of times to a First Things article praising maligned musical instruments strikes me as the “once you’ve decided someone is an a-hole” line — or I just do not see how this one

VI. History

In LaRouche’s 1983 book, LaRouche: Will This Man Become President?, he lays out his belief that Watergate was a conspiracy by the Deep State (Kissinger and the IPS) to oust Nixon..

Daniel Burke thumps in — To love the Roman Empire is to love zero-growth.

On the Unabomber tract –– anyone who argues frustration on the powers of Facebook in molding culture is arguing a version of that terrorists argument.

briefly influential in China in 1996″.

And on Op Mop Up

Leftist infighting isn’t just an online thing. It’s real life and only those on the ground understand that. Lindon LaRouche’s “Operation Mop-Up” is a prime example of this. No it is not.

For the life of me I have no goddamned idea what is “Hooverism“, and a Google search for the term solely brings me to the ” ideology” of the President who… Not the worst, not the best, some more continuity with the guy the followed than most want to consider… but altogether I associate not at all with “fascism” so the whole tweeted thesis becomes garbled meaninglessness… Unless someone wants to give me a different Hoover or explicate that one.

Larouche is the only trot i respect because he became a patriot and sent his warriors to attack the Trots with nunchaku

The battle against Foucault. Foucault, for his part, was interrupted by a member of Lyndon Larouche’s National Caucus of Labor Committees, who accused him of being paid by the CIA — and received the retort that he himself must be working for the KGB. Somewhat stunned, and furious with Lotringer, the three French thinkers, joined by Lyotard, took refuge in the Chelsea hotel where they were staying, and refused to play any more part in this ‘last countercultural event

Hard to argue with things that are simply inaccurateHe took over the Libertarian party for a while. He was oddly Keynesian though. Believed in big work projects a la FDR. Dipping into why this is wrong requires more full scale deep diving into internal politics of the Libertarian Party and its hierarchies than I am willing — but it strikes me as utterly wrong on the face of it. At the very least we have a misdirection. On the Libertarian policy prescriptions — I gather some overlap on the Day Nixon took us off the Gold Standard — but beyond this Carl Osgood letter, I await the recruitment drives that focus on it. Tends to get buried on page 2, interspersed with long lists of Jewish surnames as Enemies.

Which led to the American Stalinists and Trotskyists for some time setting up joint security forces to defend themselves against the attacks of the LaRouche fascists.

Recalling why Larouche supported the Clintons from 1993 until 2008. One supporter of the thesis of the time — it was Al Gore who sucked. Part of this narrative, I guess.

Extra Bonus Fun Fact: When discussing his indictment years later, Lyndon LaRouche, the infamous defendant, quoted Stepdad Smooth’s assertion that he a setup by the U.S. Government.).

More fun! Spent a 15 minute car ride just saying “I’m Lyndon LaRouche from the National Caucus of Labor Committees” over and over again trying to get his voice down. I requested his FBI file immediately after his death. Still have not received it.

Incorrect — Larouchies did not come close to winning those Illinois seats. Also the year was 1986, not 1980.

October 27, 1996 — a red letter day in the history of the Larouche org.

On the Straussian bit — Throwback to the 2000’s–deranged leftoids had theories Bush WH was being run by “Straussians” and a neoNazi conspiracy involving Carl Schmitt (“Hitler’s lawyer”–quote from mainstream article btw). In response, Straussoids like William Kristol and others, enhanced these rumors. It’s much more flattering to be thought of as a master conspirator and eminence grise than the reality (in this case, intellectual equivalent of yentas’ night reading group in Buffalo NY). Second, for someone who makes a living as spokesmouth and fundraiser, it’s a PR benefit. Wasn’t it also spread by LaRouche followers ?

A good deal of conspiracy theories ticked off.

Possibly. The larouchies and fascist ops here have always pretty good info, skewed in the same fashion, because they’re not actually researching, hypothesizing, analyzing and synthesizing, but getting memos from the horse’s mouth giving them tasks in a scientific pr program

my thalamus gathers the rest of my brain cells into an auditorium. it clears its throat and speaks into the mic: “lyndon larouche”. the audience immediately riots and i suffer a microstroke

Is this why Lyndon LaRouche, shill for the right-wing Opus Dei faction of the Catholic Church, has so vehemently denounced the Zapatista rebellion?

Clinton (and Bush 2) era Larouchism: According to Lyndon LaRouche there have only been 5 Presidents that weren’t controlled by the Shadow Gov. FDR Kennedy Clinton the other two I can remember. LaRouche is an interesting figure to learn about. They worked hard to discredit him.

Mapping the voting on California’s PANIC initiative. A tad confused by this guy in his surprise that Ron Paul would win the Republican primary in overwhelming black Detroit precints — we are dealing with an impossibly select electorate here and it is easy to imagine the anti-war and drug message resonating against plutocrats Romney and social warrior Santorum, along with a variation of the Thomas Massie lament on seeing his voters sway to Trump — that lament also telling at least part of the story on “the white supremacist“‘s voting habits (and threading needles of support, I gather, why it is hard to get the mind around ” Blacks for Ron Paul”.).

French election wrangling –You, a French politics nube: “Trotskyites (plural) run for French president! Mon dieu!” Me, not a nube: Lyndon LaRouche has “a man in Paris?” –– Cheminade needs three more elections to tie Arlette Laguiller’s record for runs at President.

Why, if the Shah’s doing it…

Stevenson would have won except for the LaRouche cult — I think the evidence points to the Republican incumbent winning. Be cautious of political motivations inflicting one’s counter history narratives: Nixon woulda likely beaten Robert Kennedy — fer instance.

Hypothetical 1976 Election From Hell.

Lyndon Larouche inherited a shoe company (maybe some other kind of company?) and he invested his fortune in creating a political party — hiring people, recruiting members, putting out newspapers. Details seem pointless, connections to be drawn non-existent.

Listen to podcasts on the history of Morton Downey Jr and Jim Bakker, and one common thread pops in.

The CP-USA faces right-wing entryism threats, and so gets this reference: CPI seemed like LaRouche’s operation Mop up

Dipping about the Christie Institute.

Loudon County’s finest

An interesting exit from conventional thinking on Larouche –LaRouche praised and was friends with Nahum Goldmann who was president of the World Jewish Congress. He proclaimed openly that Jews [those in support of his ideaology] must wage a relentless war on gentiles. His Spirit of Militarism book is especially telling and supremacist. This against this claim that the man sold out his Nazi principles in 1991.

First time I heard them described as Fabanist.

Some may suggest Bill Kristol has gone Full Larouche in deploying Henry Clay’s terminology for suggestion for Biden salesjobbing.

How the WWF assassinated JFK.

Recalling old Larouche covers at 9/11 — Bringing us to an article by conspiracists on the demise on the 9/11 Truth Movement, an article that laments the nonstop growth of Jews in the government — and in the comments — a sole Larouchie whips at Tarpley and Jones and keeps a thread line on Larouche causes.

further because Trump would not defend Putin and Russia with a Summit to join the One Belt One Road, as the ultimate counter to the Russiagate lies pushed by the British, and that he allowed the stupid cruise missile stunt against Syria to mar his meeting with President Xi and China, where again he should have made a deal to join the New Silk Road as the manifestation of the policies of President McKinley whom the British Deep State through its Anarchist operatives around Emma Goldman had assassinated.

Right now the front line relative to 9/11 truth is the mass strike potential against the panopticon police state by working to reject Covid pandemic as a false flag used to introduce the tax WMD’s against the population.

All right. Also worth noting, the WAPO has a feature on the producers of Loose Change and… Hm… David Icke and Alex Jones figure, but where’s Larouche? As the 9/11 Truth movement grew and evolved, Korey became more aware of the people with outlandish ideas who were gravitating toward their specific project, including some with hard-to-follow conspiracy theories about moon beams and lizard people … And, okay — have fun wading into the comments section for this one!

Looksee on that which bothers the Larouchies

The big tuning battles.

The source of all animus toward Ayn Rand


Free Thought Prophet — available at youtube and any number of places. Begin the topic at 7:50… Play at 1.75 speed as we trample uninterestingly over familiar ground you can find about on wikipedia…

Here in Virginia, Larouche supporters used to set up tables at the DMV when I went or my license renewal to raise campaign money.

How it is sold:

This is me making silly jokes about Lyndon LaRouche, absolute communist fascist psycho.

“anti-Semitic Lasers” is an allusion to Marjorie Taylor Greene, but these things get roughed up into one giant pile. Do post Dune Frank Herbert books bring up this same motif?

… And maybe we can slow down things at 15 minutes for a few cracks at inconsistencies and commentary on when things get serious… Reasonably interesting observation on the nature of FBI files around 25 minutes… They have some good fun in dramatically reading from Larouche classics about 35 minutes. 54 and a half minutes in and we find the space laser commentary — 1:12 minutes gets us to some Trump era politics and with the mention of Gary Kasparov, I can actually suggest you turn to the interview with Reason .

Another Podcast for note — “What a Week” plucks Cade Levinson up as he organizes. His Twitter feed description has it —

Lead Theorist of Kanye West Thought ~ Organizer @LaRoucheOrg

Another splintering coming up? One holds onto Chairman Xi, another Donald Trump (despite no reciprocality), and this new faction can go to Kanye West.

… Or, the forth splinter: Eric Adamsa Canadian variant. One, two, three, many Larouche movements!

This podcast is worth a listen to figure the current selling for the young generation.

Next up — A communist listens and reviews the latest LORG webcast. Caleb Maupin ever closer into the Larouche orbit –– in that sense the “mutual beneficial alliance” of previous foes is like Alex Jones a decade back.

And another one — “conspiracy” a few years’ old… I do not recall if I listened, so offer no review.

The best and most promising and entertaining podcast Gadfly third party history starts a series — cutting the crap and getting to the origin point for Larouche as picked on nerd digesting philosophy in sophomoric manner as twelve year old, and running through the absurdisms of Marxist party splits.

VIII. Touring

The most notable item on the student paper coverage latest two appearances of Larouchies at Wayne State lie in the taglines. “Jailbait” is just kind of nonsensical, unless you want to exaggerate some attempted love affair flirting shown in “Why We Left”. Now we have “Kenneth Kronberg”.

Hey! New public space opening due to troubles in the Spartacist League!

All apologies for some missing material. They will possibly come back up … Next time out.

Tilting at those nazi windmills

Tuesday, October 5th, 2021

I. LPAC and LORG Separation

LPAC sells its line on the California Recall effort: Even the fraud skewed map of the vote shows a totally divided population with about half of the counties in the state voting overwhelmingly for the recall.  The cities and counties along the coast, those who out of fear, ignorance, and outright craziness continue to tolerate their own destruction, voted against. Harley Schlanger, representing LORG, calls Newsom’s victory a victory for “the Presidential System” and lays this down in the historic tradition of the Larouche org’s 2003 fight against Gray Davis’s recall: We also have preliminary report on the defeat of the California Recall. Lyndon LaRouche famously warned, in 2003, that Recall is dangerous, as it is designed to manipulate momentary emotions, to undermine the US Presidential System, and replace it with a parliamentary system. Never mind their efforts during the second Schwarzenegger Administration to Recall him, and I suppose the effort to Impeach Cheney wasn’t an assault on the “presidential system” as much as one against the “Vice Presidential System”.

LORG’s repositioning continues, and we see it with: General Milley’s Role in Britain’s Attempted Coup d’Etat Against Trump—and Biden

Quite apart from LPAC with its As the Biden Administration digs deeper and deeper into the playbook of pure dictatorial fascism, it has begun to deny medical treatments necessary to fight COVID to southern states which have resisted his vaccine and mask mandates. Response: What a load of bollocks.

When confronted with this call to action from Miko Dzagi to Joe WalshIs anyone prepared to address the standard of truth, as Lyndon LaRouche would? Are YOU willing join Lyndon LaRouche and his movement, in heeding Benjamin Franklin, when he said the Constitutional Convention had created “a republic, if you can keep it”? — you can troll him by saying ” Sure. I will join LPAC and enter the fight!” (I believe this counts as LPAC trying to get at Glenn Greenwald.)

Speaking for LORG — August 14, Gretchen Small: “Think about the effect it will have on #USA, if volume 1 of #LaRouche’s important and influential physical economy works were available on library shelves across the country.” Collecting dust. The one volume of Larouche that was in the Multnomah County Library system — Dialectical Economics — appears to have been discarded — maybe it is floating out there in one of the library’s bookstores along with the discarded subscription to 21st Century Sci and Tech they had in a prior decade?

And one notice: perhaps just out of habit, this site sticks to publishing LPAC articles.

II. Memories

I signed up for a Lyndon larouche mailing list because they were like “do you think war is bad?” And I was like “yeah of course.” They called me for YEARS and actually I had a nice long conversation with one of the phonebankers once (I was very lonely)

True story when I was young traumatized lost and broken I heard a Lyndon Larouche interview on the Jeff Rense show, which I listened to of reasons explained above, and they gave out a number and I called it and A dude with a New England accent started walking me through a lil pre-screening thing, asked “do you have internet?” and I said yes and he said find a picture of Michaelangelo’s School of Athens painting and look at it and so I did and He started telling me about it and holding it up as this grand thing of humanity and don’t I want to be in that painting and of course sure fuggit yeah lemme in to the painting bro and then because it was true I started fessing up about Being all into occult stuff which I was back then for reasons I addressed at the beginning of this post and I asked if there was any place for a tarot nerd into golden dawn weirdness in their movement and the dude hung up on me. the end. PS that was one of a few times where being into a bunch of bullshit mumbo jumbo saved my bacon in spite of myself. It made me too crazy for the larouchies and so thank you crowley I guess? Anyway yeah the end

There must be 15 of them 😱. I’ve seen more people trying to push Lyndon Larouche bullshit outside of the post office. Definitely not news and definitely not worth flying over 🤦🏻‍♂️

Does anyone know anything about the Larouche Movement in Cape Breton? A number of people have let me in on the “Zionist-Rockefeller Axis” over the years, don’t know if this is unusual or not.

Embarrassed to admit that i couldn’t remember LaRouche’s name for a minute but luckily “The Sexual Congress of Cultural Fascism” is a phrase I will never forget.

Yeah I read about this stuff in Washington Post magazine a long ass time ago. Ran into some Lyndon Larouche people a couple times and they were just wacky

You’re going to build some old fat shit. Because day and night you will complain of the rest of your brain and no one is ready to finance your stupid plans. At some point, PV + storage may be a lot cheaper. […] I lived on Otto-Dischner-Weg in Munich-Pasing from 1996-1999. That was the time when Helga Zepp-LaRouche founded “Aufbruch” in Pasing and covered the whole area with her cell phone mast terror.

NOSTALGIC for the days when guys on sidewalk sold Muhammad Speaks or handed out a Lyndon Larouche or Krishna sheet, or the occasional paper from Little Rocket Man’s grandfather — and that was the extent of the parallel universe messaging business.

I grew up in MI & I have deep family roots there. There are def racist, rural pockets. I “recognized” Manchester right off the bat. There’s also a contingent of anti-gov’t loons that got a start back w/ Larouche in 70’s/80’s. They huddle w/ militia in rural pockets 2.

My problem is my need to generously share my opinion with those who irk me. As you may have noticed. The last time it happened, my loving spouse had to drag me away from a Lyndon LaRouche nutbag on the street. He was kind, but firm, let’s say.

I think I came face to face with him. The Tea Party set up a table in front of my P.O. in my small town on L.I. I objected to their picture of Obama as Hitler. I started talking about who LaRouche is and saw a man standing back smirking. Very chilling. I wish I’d confronted him.

He hated Bush/Cheney. I remember the bizarre intellectual genealogy that a couple Larouchites showed me on the Iowa campus: from Satan to Hitler to Hannah Arendt (via Heidegger) to the Frankfurt School to Duck Cheney(?).

They attacked me in Venice, CA years ago after I swept their Obama w/ Hitler mustache posters off their table. Punched & kicked me, a woman, then punched my 60smthng male friend who was driving by. Cops did zero.

Flashback to the time I stopped to have a lengthy, interesting conversation with a representative of the LaRouche cult about fusion power and globalization, only to read through their pamphlet and see them describe Obama’s domestic and foreign policy as “satanic bestiality”.

It always cracked me up when these groups (TPUSA etc) would set up shop on campus and literally the only people who would talk to them were 55 year old university employees. […] Lest we forget the LaRouche supporters

It was the 80s when I did it. I used to break the Larouche people’s balls back then too. […] Oh my God, Larouche popped in my head today randomly. As an older millennial, I think I’m in the last generation where he’d be a relevant pop-culture reference One of my all-time favorite jokes of mine was a zine I made in 08 w/ him on the cover that said “Eight Time’s the Charm

I missed being the kind of dipshit who orders Lyndon LaRouche newsletters by inches. Thank christ.

Some of my fondest memories of college are of the students coming together to performatively (in a good way) mock on-campus speakers. Especially, the LaRouche people but the homophobic speakers guild and young-earthers were also roundly mocked.

I hung out with some LaRouche kids when I was a freshman (they were on campus). Went to a real weird meeting with a lot of whiteboard graphs. (Curious the Webster Tarpley recommendation, given his partisan movements away from either incarnation of Larouche.)

Seattle used to have a bunch of LaRouchies. One time, having been engaged by a Rouchy, I finally agreed to take some literature to extract myself from the conversation; then he asked me to pay for it.

there were a bunch of Larouchites at the University of Akron when I went there. I was a graduate student in mathematics. They would approach me, not knowing anything about me, and try to blow my mind with shit like “did you know that imaginary numbers aren’t imaginary”?

Birth of a 9/11 Truther— My dad would’ve been all over this shit.. He used to tell me “Conspiracy Theories” at night before bed lol. We’d read the Lyndon LaRouche newsletter together. He always said he was flagged somewhere on a government list just for subscribing to it lol. The OG twitter.

When I was at San Francisco State, there was a very active Lyndon Larouche group on campus. Batshit insane, but their rights to have meetings and set up tables was respected.

As an early millennial, my beliefs were based mostly on articles on Alternet and newsprint propaganda handed out at antiwar rallies by the ISO, Crimethinc, and LaRouche (the passing of time and the sense comes in that the odd interactions with Larouche cohorts are limited to your age cohort.)

I’m white. My parents were “like that too” – pops got Lyndon LaRouche newsletters, mom was big into alien astronauts and other such low-key cracker supremacist nonsense. Read Ayn Rand at 14. Odd to racialize alien conspiracy theories or peg it as white (let alone white supremacist) — pretty sure Black “Egyptologists” of the kind who influenced Sun Ra go that direction.

they had a 2 year strong game on vampus essen, always set up events before audimax economics and said “your professors are impotent, read larouche, we have to build the atomic Eurasian rail network as the ultimate fiscal impulse

I once joined a political cult…. Maybe you’ve all heard of Lyndon Larouche? In my defense, I was super young, naive and thought I was in love…

III. Dualing Touring — tilting at Nazi windmills

The college tour resumes at Michigan’s Wayne State University — Yesterday, an outside organization set up a display on our campus that was in no way consistent with the spirit, pride and values of Wayne State University,” Strauss said. “This organization’s display of antisemitic signage, which was set up without permission, referenced the Holocaust and was vulgar and reprehensible.”
WSU Chief of Police Anthony Holt said he learned of the display through a phone call from a patrol officer Wednesday morning. He could not confirm the name of the patrol officer who notified him.
“The patrol officer called in and said ‘there’s a group setting up tables on Anthony Wayne Drive and Merrick (Street). Do we know if they have a permit or if they’re allowed to do so?’” Holt said. “We sent a supervisor to the scene and then I got there. We had a conversation with them, and took it from there.”
TLO left campus after a conversation with Holt and other officers, he said.
It does appear they have taken a liking to this institution of higher learning — probably hoping to grow in Detroit.

We see here they are making friends by the bushelful. why tf is larouche (a political cult) back on campus Answer: recruiting, and they will be out doubling squares any day now.

And the tour moves on to Rockaway, with the mayor commenting… Mayor Michael Puzio was quick Thursday, Sept. 23, to condemn an anti-Semitic offensive placard which was displayed by members of the Lyndon LaRouche, Jr. organization at the Rockaway Borough Post Office. College campuses and Post offices. Sure to dig up the archives on where the ADL fits in to the Vast Conspiracy — We condemn the LaRouche Movement for their offensive use of Holocaust analogies to advance their agenda. Several posters, including those stating “Green Energy: More Efficient than Auschwitz,” were found in #NJ & #NY. These comparisons are unacceptable & trivialize the Holocaust.

This shows the top of mind awareness Diane Sare has as they campaign in New York to defeat Schumer — Wow I just saw my first pack of LaRouchites in the wild on third avenue. Bizarre.

Meantime, it appears LPAC and the likes of Kesha Rogers are following Trump’s tour schedule. Kesha Rogers excitedly standing next to cardboard cutouts of the Trumps — sure to endorse her next ELE tion campaign, Cardboard Trump.

Just as well — Trump has already chosen a different cult for his political selling anyways. (Sometimes allies, always competitor)

IV. This Month’s Comparison Load

Andrew Yang, repeatedly. — Yang is the reincarnation of Lyndon Larouche, not in substance but in form and method. He will parlay his failed democratic presidential bid into a permanent grift where he bilks his cult followers out of money every election cycle until he dies.

Zach Snyder fans. Nathan Andrew, Holocaust denier. Marine Le Pen. Rose McGowan — “making a bold statement“. Michael Tracey. Larry Elder. Donald Trump, interesting positing that Larouche coulda been a contender. Jay walking turkey. Beto O’Rourke and a ” right back atcha” to Matt Rinaldi. Don’t even need to translate. Tucker Carlson, interesting in that the definition is essentially just a grand bag of conspiracies whether historically tied to the cult leader or not, and also interesting in citing “late 00s” — arbitrary a designation. Bappin. Kyrsten Sinema, or at least her fashion sense against temporary Larouche headquarters. (One of those long-shuttered holes in the wall that was a Lyndon LaRouche HQ in the 1980s.) Tulsi Gabbard, with a dash of gender specific commentary. Black Hebrew Israelites. SDS Radicals. (Behind a pay wall so do I not know specifics) — An anti-mask anti-vaxx protest. Either Unruhe or Haz — Not going to dip in to figure out who is who.

Whatever form of leftist “para social butterfly” is. (though, the insult isn’t that they are Larouchian but that they are infiltrated by larouchies.)

James Bond.

These statements from the unhinged Multicultural Solidarity Centre, Democratic Socialists, or Students for Socialism are 21st century Leftist crap akin to 20th century babbling from a bigoted bunch of baboons like the KKK, John Birch Society, or LaRouche Dems.

The relationship between South Korea’s government and its pop culture export of kpop music gets a — Probably but this needs examples otherwise it sounds like Lyndon LaRouche talking about The Beatles.

trotskyizing” is a word?

Caleb Maupin, part legend in his own mind, part buzzing nuisance for leftists — And, ahhh He also made a book that was conspicuously saying his group was NOT a LaRouche-like Cult…

Curious thing on this one — Alex Krainer guy is a Larouche member. It appears no, but he became “Larouche adjacentright here — where, upon getting impressed by the MAGA Larouche fan referencing him — he soon thereafter signed the “Exonerate Larouche” petition, for further feedback to become a heavyweight figure cited by the Larouchies.

V. History

9/11 “Reichstag Fire!” redux. I’m gonna outdo LaRouche. I’m gonna become a hardcore Leibnitz truther, and base my vision of communism entirely around this fact.

1.4 thousand responses to this tweet replicating a Larouche train map. I’m glad LaRouche still resonates with the public…and what the fuck is in Cheyenne??!! Is there a need to get horses from Wyoming to El Paso at 200mph?

That time Larouche came in second, behind Ross Perot, in a nonbinding North Dakota Democratic Presidential primary. 4 Years later, perennial “interesting guy” candidate Charles Woods is out of the picture, Perot has his own party, and this time around he loses to Roland Rievers.

Adlai Stevenson III dies. Calling it a career after the 1986 election debacle. And — Meh. my kingdom for a history of the Illinois Solidarity Party: shell party created by Adlai III after he won ‘86 Dem primary but refused to run on a ticket with the LaRouchies who won the Dem Lt Gov primary. then a year later it was used by Vrdolyak to run against Harold Washington.

Robert Dreyfus wrote for The Nation.

I didn’t watch the big interviews too closely, but I do not remember this “debating” in the Jones — Larouche appearances. A lot of obsequious flattery from the host and posturing from the guest.

That feeling when Singlaub the Moonies *and* Lyn get namechecked in the same readout. You read Hazardous Duty and its like dude how come you’re bringing up the larouche dudes huh? HOW COME and then boom. Thank you c. intel a. for finally scratching my itch

Apparently, there is an online holy war I have not been aware of over whether A is 432 or 440 Hz. And with that you get a thread of historical reckoning.

northern virginia was better when Lyndon LaRouche ran the place

VI. Daniel Burke Fights for Chinese Bricks

LORG takes its stand against the Blair – Trump war machine. Daniel Burke refers to BRI as “the single greatest economic policy in human history” — hyperbole much? — though, the approving use of this Stalin quote to blast Social Democratic Progressives fascinates me more (as too the tedious new trend to preface the “splain” — the second half of “explain” — with a derogatory first syllable usage, in this case “lib” — for easy no explain dismissal.) And here I trip over a challenge call to action comment from Daniel Burke — It is not enough to say, “I am socialist, like China,” or “I hate present US policy.” — where is any lump of support for “socialism, like China”? The basic thesis of the chapter in Mark Manson’s book is given credence as Burke reaches out to a depressed 21 year old with a generation bashing around article. — China’s government now doing more to fight emo kids, I hear.

A “patriot” asks the probing question — Do you believe the ur government, big business, and social media has been infiltrated by the CCP — – to which I can say — no, but the LORG has. MDZagi has some Larouche material he wants the Cajun Cowboy to read, and the message rings out — The Enemy Is the British Empire—Period! Noting the exclamation mark, which is not a period. MDzagi continues his flubbing by tweeting at Gretchen Smith an alarmist economic quote from Larouche on the size of the economic breakdown we are in … Currently… Presently… which, coming from a dead guy like Larouche is like quoting my granddad on how the burnt toast I am eating today is the worst burnt toast ever. And one more weird flub — The LaRouche Program for Mankind’s Durable Survival or kiss this planet good buy!! — Can’t really debate, double extinction coming — someone has to “buy” us.

Say, what does Webster Tarpley think?

Here is one lost white nationalist offering the opinion — Larouche used to be super based until Eurasianism got him! Helga’s China positioning loses them one guy.

Elsewhere mDzagi answers a Trump Supporters question on what he would say to Biden with a bit of nonsense, as from a Larouche perspective there is nothing to ask the man given that he is a hologram.

That’s one reading list. — full of state lackeys. “trying to deny Larouche’s existence” is a thing that never happened, though plenty denied his relevance.

VII. Internationale

Making Waves in Germany’s election: Missing them — In my suburb there are no posters from #NoAfD, @diebasispartei or similar dubious groups. I like that.

BüSo with the continuous Zepp-Larouche light? Any original crazy existences that cannot afford posters and are therefore dealt with with street chalk?

For mainstream news coverage, we have this: 47 parties are in the running for seats in the Bundestag; it might be wise to brush up on arithmetic, maybe even calculus. This year Berlin has its own state election as well, with 34 parties competing for its House of Representatives and for all sixteen borough councils too. A good pencil-sharpener might be useful (or a ball-point). Mostly they are small, even tiny, like the Animal Rights Party, the Liberal-Konservativ Reformer, or a party run by the German widow of Lyndon LaRouche, an American provocateur of past years. Or the little German Communist Party. Few reach 1%.

Election results — A little bit like French election results where the Larouhies come in last, trailing the Trotskyites by roughly A 2 – 1 margin. So we see 1534 votes for the Trots and 737 for Team Larouche. But, I guess maybe they focused on a “First we take Berlin” strategy — where they beat we deal parties, and really does suck to be “New Berlin”. Team Larouche latches on to 0.03 percent or 587 votes.

There’s an idea, but I am pretty sure the Larouchies have dubbed Kraftwork and their progeny British — out of Tavistock. A Larouche-type cult for German-Americans centered around Krautrock, Marxism and Primitivism — and too techno for that last bit.

Jacques Cheminade is seen here accusing some media source which is shakily translated as “France Info” of accusing him of disseminating Larouchee 9/11 Conspiracy theories to the French public. Which strikes me as undeniably true, but this does give him an opportunity to do so again.

The “No Stupid Questions” canard — responding to Cheminade’s Larouchian import of 9/11 Conspiracy–

Cheminade took up and defended the ideas of Lyndon LaRouche, a notorious conspirator who believes that all the evil in this world comes from the British Empire. Cheminade was one of the first to publicly “ask questions” (obviously stupid) about the attacks

The Americans have just published official FBI documents showing that they have found links between the terrorists and the family of Prince Bandar bin Sultan, then ambassador for Saudi Arabia, a close friend of the Bushes. To ask questions seems legitimate to me …

Doubt is good, systematic suspicion is completely stupid

VIII. How many times worse than Hitler?

Brandon Brophy: It all comes together and connects, don’t it?

Translated, A haughtier than thou explainer: as I explain it to you. not having Oprah as a political reference but Larouche, it is not about ego, but common sense. the other way around, going to laugh with a Cesar Vidal live and learn politics with the fat man and the skinny man is stupid, it’s not about ego

Bold statement by Daniel Burke, in a tweet that has been deleted. The IMF is 100x worse than Hitler — reference to the Haitian migrant crisis –and… Huh. For this to be true, they would have to kill 600,000,000 Haitians. Yeah, I see why Burke deleted that tweet.

Not deleted is this insult to the working class, denigrating vocational education. Send Malthusians to vocational schools. Not really working for any mass movement, unlike the Communist he is tweeting at.

I see that in researching for his podcast on Larouche, True Anon found this 1996 brush back at the “Music of the People”, or Country music — any number of ways one can dissect the vortices of art and commerce — a random ad I’ve heard in that “anti-ad” formula moves through a faux Country song interspersed lyrics about “never left New York City, the only reason I went country is ’cause my rap career has ended”. The Larouchies, under the tutelage of Webster Tarpley I guess, went one or five step further — it is a British Project, the same British Project that brought Napoleon to power. Surely ye jest. Hm. Let’s listen to some Dolly Parton just for the Hell of it.

The casual dismissal of old news coverage on the cult because it is old –amusing tact. Apparently this is the supposed belief of Larouche: Just imagine believing that every human was in the living image of God and had the inborn capacity to contribute to the common good.

IX. People Responding

Touring Washington, DC and Houston…

The Responses are overwhelming. Gonna do larouche lit table part time when I retire…best way to meet the “security guard who speaks 5 languages” type of guys…my favorite guys.

We see the tricky political arena Helga and company are playing in within the list of kudos her tweet garners. Cursed be the thieving Afghans who have been drinking the blood of the nation for 20 years but still say don’t give money to Afghans — Hrm. From a liberal vantage point the biggest problem with Biden’s Afghan withdrawal was/is that the refugee program for Afghans who were backing our attempts was limited, leaving them now in the hands of the incoming Taliban. Funny ally as against their current supposed cries on Haiti.

X. Adjacent Twitterers

Caleb Maupin gets a this: Not trying to cancel you or anything but this post is kind of puzzling. I think we should acknowledge that Larouche was an ultraleft saboteur who sent deranged thugs to attack CPUSA members with nunchucks. Feel like you missed that bit of history.

Rcam exonerated Chaitkin: That one is actually by Chaitkin who I think was not aware of Larouche’s other ties– Chaitkin does good work especially. Doesn’t strike me as believable, but what ever.

Diane Sare Rambles Incoherently in front of Chuck Schumer

Monday, September 6th, 2021

I. Robert Beltran’s Galaxy Quest

Robert Beltran speaks (or rather tweets) on his Larouche work, endorsing the narration on “1932”. 8 responders greet the anticipation of watching this not-much seen Beltran work, Beltran chirps in with — Don’t forget, it’s never the average citizen but the Governments of countries that cast a bad light on themselves. History exonerates the average citizen in all countries as generally honorable though often long-suffering. I’m glad you liked it. It’s a very thorough history.

Attitudes sway with anti-British biases amongst these twitterers — and an initial positive view gets dragged down.

A. Awesome!! This is wonderful. Thank you, Torri. Congratulations, Robert. Knew nothing about this. Love your voice.Of course, it shows Britain in a very bad light. I’ve done voice-over work, too. It’s fun!
B. I’m sorry, Robert, but seeing more of it, I did not like it. At all. [Marxist Lyndon LaRouche ~ Criminal investigations led to convictions of several LaRouche movement members, including LaRouche himself. He was sentenced to fifteen years imprisonment.]
C. Britain is responsible for the assassination of Lincoln, the 1st World War? Soon they’ll be telling us that Britain started the 2nd World War!! Absolute nonsense.

And a common problem is exposed — should have watched more than five minutes — with apologies: Oh dear, I feel an argument coming. I didn’t watch past 5mins (no time). Is it too late for disclaimers? If not… *The creators of Beltrivia only convey info. They are not responsible for it’s accuracy nor any relationship problems arising from it. Partake at your own risk.

Elsewhere, we see Repercussions for any Voyager reunion thrown out: Did Beltran stop being a Lyndon LaRouche democrat? ‘Cause that will be uncomfortable. You set politics aside and act professionally, but there do seem to be other personal – (indeed, political of a sort) differences and grudges with that show — both Beltran and Garret Wang not thinking their characters were fleshed out well, and a gnashing of teeth resentment that the ex-Borg character Seven of Nine was a salacious sexualized desperate grasp for ratings.

II. Ed Asner — enemy to friend

In other celebrity tidbits — the passing on of Ed Asher sparks a tweet from Daniel Burke, A tribute to a celebrity who walked in and around the Larouche organization a couple of times — just enough for the movements to be at the ready to lob a memorial where these few tidbits of off-kilter doings become a focus of his career. It is worth plucking about to find how much he dived in and when — From the heady days of March 2004.

In more practical, current terms, LaRouche and his people had proven their stripes to the Democratic cause by printing up and distributing 500,000 copies of a magazine entitled “Who Robbed California?” which purported to tell the story of the energy deregulation disaster in California and their claim that Schwarzenegger’s rise was part of a conspiracy tied into that. . Things were fairly routine until Hollywood liberal legend Ed Asner walked into the room and sat down in front of me. It was my turn to pounce, and Ed’s turn to look stunned.
“I just [came] because I had heard contradicting rumors of him and had dismissed him because of it, but I found him very enjoyable,” said Asner. “Everything I’ve heard from him is in the progressive agenda that I entertain.
“All too often Democrats play go-along to get-along, and LaRouche shows that it’s more than the head of the pimple that’s gotta be squeezed,” Asner continued. “I support Kucinich really, and I can’t make a judgment on the time LaRouche spent [in jail] because he will not be the first person to be placed there and silenced that way in America. I am certainly aware that he is controversial, but in this case, that attracts me because I tend to be seen as controversial in the same way.”

As opposed to 1986 —

During the question-and-answer period after his talk, Asner fielded questions about President Reagan’s popularity, ecology, Central America and Lyndon LaRouche (“I’m delighted that the LaRouchies were exposed. Now when people see smart asses in the airport with signs saying ‘Nuke Jane Fonda,’ theyknow who they are.”)

Those would be the days Harley Schlanger is seen eulogizing as “taking A brave stance against South American Dirty War” (Say, what was Larouche’s stance on Reagan foreign policy right then?), insinuating a soft blacklist keeping him from big roles (Uh huh) — I suppose we get there the glad-handling reason for enticing Robert Beltran in with an allegorical play on McCarthyism.


Kesha Rogers throwing it down for LPAC; John McCarthy throwing it down for LORG. Um? He wanted you to try to change Trumpers into something better, not to turn into one. Actually, his handlers just wanted their money. He, meantime, took engrandizement where he could find it.
And then JM brings in the big insult: It’s like instead of following the real life LaRouche, you guys are following the cartoon villain version that Dennis King made up. BURN!!!
JM fails to take note — Sweetbaby Jane is with LPAC, not LORG.
And I guess this version of Larouche is with LPAC.

Outsider opines disappointing that the LaRouche movement is just seemingly all MAGA now. we need a new type of innocuous crank

Hm. did you know that big pro china parade a few years back that was shadowed by the falun dafa counterparade was all sponsored by epoch times? insane. the larouche people had a presence there too
Which faction of Larouche people? We see here load moving the way of an anti-China stance.
actually saw some larouche ppl outside the other week lol
i haven’t seen a larouche street theater thing in a while. sad!!
That last word/insult dips at LPAC, moreso LoRG.

LPAC lobs a missile at Daniel Burke. “Apocalypsis Apocalypseos” trolls by dumping the space program element and answering further with bombast.

LPAC’s two items of contention with Burke, Burke notably reigning to remain above the squabbling lpacers.:
I. If the green new deal was designed to block the BRI, why is it being pushed on the United States (which isn’t participating in the BRI)? Sounds like you’re spinning things to conform to a certain narrative.

2. We’re trying to get clarification about @Burke4Senate’s views (then you jumped in). He recently asserted @larouchepac is “heartless people who spit on LaRouche,” so we’re interested in understanding the axiomatic background to @Burke4Senate’s beliefs.

LPAC: It’s our view that the BRI can become an important part of Lyndon LaRouche’s vision for a New Bretton Woods, his World Land-Bridge, and a Moon-Mars space colonization program (as Mr LaRouche presented in 2009).
Ap Ap: Bring it on!
LPAC: Yes, but situated from the perspective of a space colonization program, as Mr. LaRouche outlined in 2009,
Ap Ap: Let’s get Afghanistan into CPEC on Earth first!
LPAC: Why back away from Mr. LaRouche’s vision for the Bering Strait, the World Land-Bridge, and a Moon-Mars program?
Ap Ap: Not backing away, just prioritizing human life and stability in Central Asia. Do you not agree that CPEC should be extended into Afghanistan?
LPAC: Is the Green New Deal is designed to block the Belt and Road Initiative?
Ap Ap: This conversation is over if you don’t reply to MY QUESTION.
LPAC: We started this exchange by asking @Burke4Senate a simple question, which he hasn’t been able to answer. Who are you?
Ap Ap: Doesn’t matter who I am. Now fuck off if you can’t answer my question!
LPAC: “Your question” was a reply to our question (which wasn’t answered), so we don’t see the need for such rage.
Ap Ap: Unfollowed. Do you fucking hate humanity? Freak!
LPAC: Rage is not a good emotion. Does @Burke4Senate (or @TonySalami3 on his behalf) have any response to the initial simple question?
Ap Ap: Don’t fucking lecture me on fucking rage! You hate the Afghan people you fucking douchebag Satanist!

Ap AP continues on to assert his Larouchian bonafides by quoting some early Larouche 9/11 Truthism in conflating with conjectures on Biden’s whereabouts at the time.

The other part of this tweet tree slides into this … “Discussion?” … leading off to Tony Salami’s curious “The answer should be obvious, Benjamin.” And “I dont know nuthin bout that, but calling trump people overweight out of shape smoking alcoholics is pretty Heartless imo” — A tad disingenuous in its cropping and decontextualizing — the Michael Steger clip in question, and so goes the new game of LPAC v LORG.

This is either LORG fighting falun gong or LPAC complementing such — (as the Australian outlets provides the Chinese government such material as this.)

So, LORGsters and LPACers… Where are we with this?: disappointing that the LaRouche movement is just seemingly all MAGA now. we need a new type of innocuous crank.

Who would have thought that there would be LaRouche revisionists after his death. Sure. Sure. They even have UN representatives, apparently — Richard A. Black, the Schiller Institute’s representative at the United Nations.

LORG is reaching out to Harmid Karzai and Abdullah Abdullah, Real Power brokers in a new Taliban Afghanistan world are they. And, you know, yes, this is a joke — President Biden is implementing Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche Jr.’s New Paradigm to defeat the British Empire and usher in a new golden age of the American System. Space lasers next on the agenda. — but it does strangely follow the progression from what we do see out of EIR — the headline “Biden Gives Passionate Anti-War Speech on ‘Ending an Era’”.

Well, they are Not Alex Jones… We see shifts in political posturing all about, and maybe a schism growth between lpac and lorg…

R Cam shares this thought: I feel bad for Alex Jones, he’s one of the most psyopped people in the entire world, personally, manipulated by tons of intelligence agencies for his audience– but somehow– the Spirit of Truth, not the literal truth content of speech, comes through it all. (…) Larouche is similar– also one of the most manipulated people by intelligence agencies– but Larouche got more over on them than Alex Jones ever has– Tragedy/Farce is the Larouche/Jones relation.

Infowars offers up the question What Should The Rhetorical Merger of Trump & Biden Be Called? suggesting an offramp from supporting Trump, even as Jones sticks to the right wing of electoral politics. Laroucheland gets weirder still — and the chasm in the schism gets larger. Harley Schlanger, representing LORG, editorialized against Tony Blair and the British Parliament’s withering criticism on Biden for his withdrawal from Afghanistan as representing an attack on “the Presidential System” — placing them above domestic neoconservatives due to their Britishness–, moving LORG into a posture of support for the Biden Administration. (Similar to the interim before Obama took office, supporting a “Presidential system” and suggesting “advisors in talk”). Interestingly, this defense moves on to former Governor Cuomo and California Governor Gavin Newsom. Compare that to LPAC, who continues to back the recallTech / Malthusian Complex or thereabouts would be defeated, asking “Will the California Recall Election be the Turning Point for our Republic?”

I take it this guy goes with LPAC — Lyndon LaRouche – A champion against the hidden actions of our own Government. FBI applies its insurgency in Lyndon LaRouche, now they are relocated to Germany and become the propagandists for the Empire. Do you see how it happens?

IV. Can the Diane Sare Senate Campaign Recover?

Diane Sare says a batch of incoherent comments to Chuck Schumer, who waves her aside to continue his platitudous speech. She then wanders around tge room, speaking loudly so someone — anyone — will hear her claim that she shoukd be the one talking, darneditall. Very much the debacle. An attempted recovery comes with her on her Facebook page,

There isn’t even anything there that can be used for trolls like this tweet on the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez encounter. Oh well. Maybe Diane Dare will up her game the next time she can get into A room with Schumer.

Meanwhile, over in Texas, and now over with LPAC, lying in wait is the attempt to place Allen West with Kesha Rogers. (A tad forced.). Actually, weirdly enough — Rogers is still A Safe Facebook friend — but in the good old days when they were slate-mates.

Meanwhile in Germany, the Buso Party in Germany continues to make waves:

of all the things abt american politics tht could be replicated abroad, larouchies has got to be the most galaxy-brained shit imaginable
lest the campaign poster seem to suggest these are reasonable folks, I’ll note tht the party head is a holocaust denier, and the party thinks climate change is an energy industry hoax meant to increase fuel prices. oh, the party leader is also still mad abt the treaty of versailles
was hoping it was going to have a really bizarre reasoning for happening there rather than “his widow moved there”
oh, no, she was german originally, so she just moved back… which I think actually does make it weirder than if she just moved here
came over here to marinate in the crazy for a few decades first
like the aging of whiskey in a wine barrel, marinating the german crazy in some american crazy
Im really hung up on the fact that she’s still very angry abt the treaty of versailles, thts true galaxy brain stuff
that just seems like a nazi thing to me?
its just not something tht is tht often brought up as a grievance anymore, the holocaust & partition provide so much grist its almost quaint to get upset abt versailles!

(Well, Buso has more visibility than the nazis.)

V. Memories

One time I was being solicited aggressively by a LaRouche (I think) political canvasser and I stuck out my arm like a running back warding off a tackle and yelled “Personal space! PERSONAL SPACE!!!” at him. It’s all you can do.

Seeing BUSO sign: Ouch, do these LaRouche disciples still exist? I can remember that 25 years ago when I was a schoolboy I argued in the ground … My first room in a shared flat in #Wiesbaden: In our house on the second floor right: The LaRouche disciples, first floor left: the KBW sect Under the roof an artist couple with 2 cats and opposite a GI couple, the drove to the US Army in riot gear every morning. And we are right in the middle.

I once got cornered by a candidate for this German party during the 2005 election and yes, they really do think this way. And talk about it at considerable length. What you need to know is they were founded by Helga LaRouche. Yes, that one. (Indeed).

The case against club entryism. I’m old enough to remember when we had followers of LaRouche in the 80s elected to the Alameda County DCC from the Tri-Valley. So yes I guess I’m revealing a “club” bias and at the same time I agree whether “dues-paying” is necessary or not, it is not sufficient…

biggest regret I have from this trip was not getting a picture of a billboard for larouche in south dakota

I’ll never forget the LaRouche guy I talked to in Munich in 2003. I asked him why he was tabling for LaRouche in Munich, Germany in 2003 & he asked me what the hell am I doing to change the world, which, fair enough, but I still can’t fathom what he was trying to accomplish. He was hoping to convince the Munich Symphony Orchestra to adopt scientific pitch . (LPAC does not answer: Does your organization have an official stance on Schoenberg’s twelve-tone serialism? Was it a positive or a negative influence on Western music?)

I was borderline stalked by some larouche cult group, they creeped me out, total sketch balls.

For the first election I could vote in, I wanted to research the candidates, and the only choices were a Republican and a LaRouche Democrat. I guess the local democrats were sick of “London banking interests”

My first chance to vote for president was Reagan or Mondale, so I voted for LaRouche because anarchy seemed reasonable at the time. Now, I’m a Blue Shirt Democrat, for the good of us all.

It spells real trouble to have a point of view like that. I had a guy walk up to me at the polls years ago talking all about socialism and human rights blah blah and ended up asking me for my support of Lyndon Larouche. I said don’t you ever try that on me again.

When I started at a Law office in the early 00’s somebody there still got Lyndon LaRouche’s newsletter delivered. Regardless of tech, eccentric and mostly wrong America is the best, and the only one I wanna live in.

Just searched my email for “coburg” and noticed I’ve been getting weekly emails from the Australian Citzens Party (formerly CEC) for more than 15 years now

I’m digressing here, but the Space Laser thing reminds me of back in the ’80s. In Houston’s Hobby Airport, I was accosted by Lyndon LaRouche supporters wanting me to sign a petition to use Reagan’s “Star Wars” program to zap Jane Fonda with gamma rays from space.

Not a historian, but in 1978 my college roommate’s brother, a follower of Lyndon LaRouche, sent us a pamphlet that said after Ben Franklin, dark forces had taken over and corrupted American Leaders iirc the dark forces were Rosicrucians or masons or something like that

Before she passed, my Grandmother “gave” thousands of dollars to the Lyndon LaRouche cult. Same thing. She was just starting to be stricken with Alzheimer’s.

The first “Free thinker” I met in college, decades ago, called himself that because he was a Holocaust denier and Lyndon LaRouche supporter. Subsequent encounters with those who describe themselves that way have done nothing to assuage my initial revulsion.

When I first came to the US in 1992 a group of Lyndon Larouche supporters harangued me on issues of global politics. Interesting characters.

Every time I see this I have flashbacks to the LaRouchies running around Chicago in their rusted out GMC truck, shouting catchphrases through the speaker they stuck on the roof. Same vibe.

Stuck in traffic on the turnpike while my dad tells me all about how LaRouche was a fave figure amongst the late 80s Romanian recent arrivals (for all the worst reasons.)

Learning the source of stray “Newton was afraid put up by British”comments. they tried to recruit me at the DFL convention in Rochester Mn in the late 00’s. i was like, your whole thing is built around one guy. they assured me “LaRouche Youth Cadres” would resolve this. i found it a strange analogue only could compare to scientology?

The LaRouchies still leave a faint bitter taste in my mouth because one of the most all-around unpleasant political conversations I’ve ever had was with one of their evangelists at a table in front of Reading Terminal Market in 2007. She was a sneering asshole bc I disagreed.

VI. Historical Notes

No one has put the Morton Downey Jr appearance up on youtube.

How about the Lyndon LaRouche organization? One of its officers, Harley Schlanger, may have conspired with Roger Stone, Julian Assange and the GRU in early 2016 regarding the hacking of the DNC’s and Podesta’s emails and/or the distribution of them through Wikileaks.

A lawsuit that involved Larouche figures in a lawsuit involving Alex Jones
According to Bidgood’s memorandum of support, courts in Virginia recognize a qualified journalist’s privilege rooted in the First Amendment. Citing in part the LaRouche v. NBC case, Bidgood’s counsel wrote that, unless overcome, that privilege protects reporters from being compelled to disclose information obtained in the course of their newsgathering.

L. Fletcher Prouty (JFK leaker who later on kinda went off the deep end into holocaust denial among other fringe shit) Near the end of his life he did stuff for the LaRouche crowd claiming oil is like, the supernatural blood of the earth

cool poster, though” if nothing else good about the 1986 Norway scene.

Question 29: Lyndon larouche laid the blueprint for how a lot of ppl are fucking insane today. AND. The funny thing about LaRouche is that he used to be a Trotskyist management consultant, kind of like how David Icke was a pretty normal sports guy who got active for the Green Party. But Icke had a mental breakdown whereas LaRouche set up a sect because of his enormous ego. AND. 29. I actually have sort-of-family that are huge LaRouchies. It’s interesting because they haven’t hopped onto any QAnon stuff. I think their iteration of it (the classic 80s stuff) was too integrated with New Deal imaginaries to be transferrable

An anti-vaxxer citing Larouche’s PANIC initiative on where the policies lead — perhaps picking up from Max Blumenthal.

Lol remember when Lyndon LaRouche died and his ppl announced it but nobody believed it because nobody ever believed them even when they were spot on? Good times!

My motto for the record I’m currently working on is “less thinking, more doing,” and so of course I’m trying to write a song narrated by a member of the Larouche Movement in Berkeley CA during the Marble Cone fire of 1977

And what is he claiming this means? TIL Lyndon LaRouche got over 40,000 votes (13.5%) in the 1996 WV Democratic primary against a popular incumbent who won the state in the general election twice. For comparison in 2020 Bernie Sanders got 22,670 votes while coming in 2nd in the WV Democratic primary (The 1996 delegate fight rememebered.)

Giving Larouche too much credit for incubating Climate change denial / rejection. Too much money at stake that energy concerns will always be able to find and fund someone to find the evidence to support their concern. That one or two bounce in to get published by 21st Century SciTec is immaterial.

I could assemble my thoughts on Bill Clinton and Lewinsky and that sordid affair, but I do not know how much it is ultimately worth. Here it is enough to stare at what the thrashing of Larouche conspiracy theories does to any argument, and point out the inconsistencies arrived at as the movement turns away from the Clintons after 2008 and moves to Trump.

VII. Reliving the 9/11 Truth Glory Days.

Revving up to commemorate 9/11, LORG is giving us a renewal of their glory days of 9/11 Truth. Never ceasing to remind everyone that he was there on the John Stockwell Show, blaming the Jews before anyone else (as The Brits are responsible for all the wars), and trying to get his dibs in. He had his effects.

Now Daniel Burke leads the charge to dump litter all over Manhattan.

And what’s this? A 9/11 Truther comes on and disses Burke and the “Establishment”arians making up the Larouche Org over these past two decades?

Aunt BB: Every anniversary, 9/11 disinfo, especially LIHOP, is paraded in public to distract from the inside job to smear Muslims & Islam. This former candidate for “selected” office is nothing but an establishment tool & business asset. See here.
Daniel Burke: If you disagree with the 9/11 families, just say so. They were “selected” in a different way.
Aunt BB: You & other establishment ghouls emotionally manipulate & exploit 9/11 families out of self-interest. Care to tell the truth about PNAC, or is all your info from MSM propaganda rags?
You’re just an establishment tool who perpetuates the War OF Terror myth that Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks. Israel loves you for it. Part of the West & Israel’s strategy of tension to distract from their own war crimes.
You have an establishment blue-check Twitter account. That means your business disinfo is corporate-approved.
ApAp: (link to Burke tweet)
Aunt BB: Trump’s constructive policies”? Building up NATO against Russia, CIA NGO color revolution in Hong Kong & doing everything in Israel’s interests in Mideast? PNAC was at the core of 9/11, the West’s War OF Terror against Russia & China. He blames KSA & is full of shit.
Ap Ap: He doesn’t blame KSA. Who created KSA? British oligarchs created: ‘too big to fail’ banks oil projects of Saudi Arabia and Israel + justified bombing of Iraq. Cold War fake Russiagate Steele dossier CFR takeover of American Foreign Policy
Ap Ap: British tentacles are all over KSA. KSA is occupied and fighting for sovereignty.
Aunt BB: Business interests, dumbass, not “British.” Greed has no identity.
Jason Ross: Here’s what they had to say about Biden’s executive order on declassification, announced today: declassification story.
Aunt BB: Declassification” of FBI BS to distract from the truth. You’re full of shit.
All the LaRouche assets are coming out to promote establishment 9/11 LIHOP disinfo that Saudis are responsible for the false-flag terrorist attacks.

VIII. Who is getting called Larouche as an insult?

AOC. Tucker Carlson. WSWS. Bernie fans. Trump’s campaign solicitation techniques. Caleb Maupin, position shifting through time. Mike Lindell. Rand Paul. The People’s Party. Andrew Yang. Kevin Paffrath (bug up his butt on this one.). Nick Land. Aimee Terese. Spike Lee. Anti- Trump Republicans.

Then there are those expressions of sarcasm against various incredulous sources of information, parsing disinformation content. Witness: Sure, but alternatively Lyndon LaRouche came back from the dead and told me Russia didn’t do it. Whosoever ought I believe?

Caleb Maupin defends himself from the blasting of accusation — involved in an Operation Mop-up of his own? (Nay, tangled relations.)

On side note, apparently Larouche’s followers used to show up to meetings of the CPUSA and other similar groups and best the sh-t out of them with nun-chucks….so based, I guess?

In the end, the problem with peering at Caleb Maupin’s current battles with “the left” as represented by orbits to the Communist Party lies in and “what a metaphor!”, Every day we voluntarily stand in front of that dude with the Lyndon Larouche table near Locust Walk and think he represents the zeitgeist.

IX. Overviewing

At last — an explanation as good as any: Lyndon LaRouche was investigating a secret tunnel being built by the Chinese that would connect Carmel to Beijing, but the CCP hit him with the microwave gun before he could share his findings with the world. Originally the CCP tried to give him headaches and a sense of gnawing ennui with the microwave gun, but unfortunately they set it to the Verdi Pitch which overloaded LaRouche’s system and led to his death.

Another explanation, translated: Yes, the “rock-sex-and-drug counterculture” has been a thorn in the side of the LaRouchies for years, they see it as a trick of the Aristotelian world conspiracy (including London high finance) to destroy people’s souls. According to the LaRouchies, a gender of capable, decent, short-haired model pupil is supposed to conquer the solar system with nuclear spaceship engines and read Friedrich Schiller and listen to Beethoven. Newton, Darwin and Bertrand Russell in particular are a thorn in their side. “Good”, on the other hand, are generally Germans and Italians who produced works that Lyndon liked in terms of content and style, especially those from the orbit of the Florentine Renaissance … and the Weimar Classic. Nikolaus von Kues, Moses Mendelssohn, FrIEdrIch ScHILLeR, Kepler, Leibniz, Beethoven, as well as the various German alpha males with rocket propulsion (von Oberth, von Braun, Krafft Ehricke) are a kind of waifus of the LaRouchies. Meitner too, although they * have to * like them, since their body-and-stomach technique would not exist without the discovery of nuclear fission. Noether does not appear at all, I suspect, simply because their work overwhelmed Lyndon in terms of content and mathematics. They are comparatively cautious with anti-Semitism, it always goes against “high finance” without ethnic implications. Fritz Haber cannot excommunicate them because the Haber-Bosch process appears in their technical visions. Moses Mendelssohn is also one of the good guys. It depends on how you define “done”. If you mean: Has built a mini-empire around itself from fanatical supporters, with its own publishing houses, congresses and a kind of private secret service, then: yes, it has achieved something. Unfortunately, the LaRouchies never commented on anime. You are never lazy about bashing modern pop culture products – especially video games and electronic music; Even inline skaters were certified by Helga Z. LR that they would “whiz through the landscape mindlessly” … And Plato was many things, but not a champion of democracy, as the LaRouchies seem to think.

Wikipedia now has Lyndon Larouche categorized as “American convicted criminal”. Under Political Party it marks his first one — ” Socialist Workers Party”. The first sentence too gets a tad of an eyebrow rise.

May be a better analysis here: Trotskyist Marxist who swallowed the J-pill and took a hard turn toward Logos. Always remained Machiavellian however. ‘White Sphere’ luciferian. Life goal was to reverse engineer marxian producerist econ out of American and German intellectual toolkit 1/

Society if we listened to Lyndon LaRouche 40 years ago.

Conspicuously unanswered: LaRouche PAC has not responded to my question about Schoenberg. I’m beginning to think they don’t really know that much about music.

My motto for the record I’m currently working on is “less thinking, more doing,” and so of course I’m trying to write a song narrated by a member of the Larouche Movement in Berkeley CA during the Marble Cone fire of 1977

X. Another Podcast Overview, Part Two you have to pay for so I do not know — maybe it’s revolutionary and kicks Part One’s butt — but Part one is available free

True Anon Podcast gives us their breakdown of the cult. They blatter on for a tad too long at the beginning, but it is worth a listen.

TrueAnon pod LaRouche hated Paul Sweezy so fuckin much; he also periodically accuses medium-named Trotskyists in the U.K. of being MI6 agents out to ice him. Mostly for time we had to go the route of talking about his mafia etc stuff but he was a god when talking about socialists

I hope there is a Lyndon LaRouche biopic starring John Lithgow, directed by Terry Zwigoff and written by Werner Herzog

I found the paper for the Australian Larouchites being given away at a Tasmanian fish and chips shop. The writing style was very reminiscent of the Healyites that I spent a few months with in the mid 80s.

NB selling his book.

Staring at the pyramid on DSOTM — to know geometry

Saturday, July 31st, 2021

I. Elections

I think I can defend this Virginia politico, or be charitable about her.  This is the “asking for support of” “speak to everybody in the public” long list of anyone and everyone.  If Larouchies were not trailing everyone else on the list, then there may be a problem.

Still, amusing to see the this:  Asked about Youngkin’s reaction to Sears’ mention of LaRouche, Wolking said, “We don’t speak for her.”

At any rate, the politico is no Allen West — who I guess Texas Democrats are loading up on him next standing with Kesha Rogers for a possible Republican primary upset.  (And speaking of whom — What is up with that Rogers backdrop?) 

Senate candidate Diane Sare finds the one police chief who correlates violent crime rates with marijuana use — and What is the state of Mark Crispin Miller these days anyway?  Next we see her speaking with Atoms for Peace — because it is 1950s all over again!  And, interesting ally in Republican gubernatorial contender (will he crack 2 percent in the primary?) Derrick Gibson — thus far only gets the warning sire of his praise for Proud Boys.  

II.  Does Helga’s China Posture have any American Constituency?

This particular praise of China’s aesthetics misses a mark — amusing as it is to shove favored American Presidents in on it all .  No, Nothing wrong with their state media at all.

As Helga shills for China, dumping any research and speculation on Covid’s origins with China on American anti-intellectualism, (irony of ironies in dropping to Richard Hofstadter, who gets cited occasionally on “the paranoid style of American Politics” to explain Larouche’s appeal), it does strike me to attempt to delineate different “apologists” or sympathizers of one type or other for different authoritarian regimes.  Leftists have long had some qualifiers for any criticism of Cuba’s Castro or Venezuela’s Chavez.  Through the past decade and a half I have noted the rightist apologia on Russia’s Putin — round about some editorials by your Pat Buchanans — maybe inching into the foreign policy posture of President Trump — favoring the increased role of the Russian Orthodox Church as a bulwark against perceived decadence — and, you know, Pussy Riot are boorish buffoons whose performative trangressive snubbing of traditionalist moors get oh so tiresome.  There was also a darkly amusing insight from Putin at the time of those increased protests against him — that “we need to create a new small political party for educated urban elites” in his managed electoral “democracy” system — has its unsettling implications in pondering our political history.   On China, there had been a smattering of favorable coverage coming out of the likes of neo liberals such as Thomas Friedman (in editorials mocked by the libertarians at Reason) in suggesting the applicability of some technocratic approaches to American government.  All good and well, but where Team Larouche had some maneuvering room for finding a constituency welcoming Russia’s government model, there is not much you can find there for their salute to Xi — and where it has been is a pretty elitist affair.

The Larouchies take off against Malthus and side with — well, this is just Trashing them. … Or we can move on ,  into satire.

III.  Question 29 — forcing opinions.  One of those all encompassing polls of things — question 29 is — Larouche.  And here we gauge the pulse of a select Twitter following.

Not weird enough for me and too weird for mainstream politics. A bad place to be.

socialist dude ran for president cool or whatevs i’m gonna fall asleep i wish this list had more interesting topics like pop culture i’m gonna become an anti intellectual yawnnnn

anyone who hates the brits that much can’t be that bad

he was the original nick land.

barely know anything about LaRouche but he seems like he sucks big time

Cool guy, I like his defense of Platonism & opposition to British crypto-imperial power, but a spy and not to be fully trusted

I’ve never really done a deep dive on LaRouche. He seems to have the charms and pitfalls of an autodidact

I would have fought side by side or back to back with Mr. LaRouche in his holy crusade against the Aristotelian horde. Rest in power, sir.

I have no stance on either of those. Larouche was an fbi informant and racist whose head of security was a Grand dragon of the klan.

larouche is maybe one of the funnier people in american politics because he has all the political viewpoints. every single one. at the same time

Fascism that serves these days one good purpose: you can tell a fake leftist is quickly googling anything they can in the middle of an argument when they whip out an article from a LaRouche site as a citation.

LaRouche is a local so mostly I just remember as a kid people with LaRouche bumper stickers on their rusted out Subarus handing out pamphlets. More Marxist stuff. Already been over that.

Lyndan LaRouche is a sleuth detective in an agatha christie rip off novel. he is kinda gruff and a lone wolf but dw he has a heart of gold

larouche was a psyop to discredit all of the perfectly sensible conspiracy theories that place Q—— E———— at the center of it all.

CIA spook, but nobody does conspiracies better than the LaRouchies. When they ran cover for the coronascam op, I was a little surprised, but this is a sign that the western left is being rolled up into the regime, and of course LaRouche was always an op.

I don’t know who this guy is but the contents section of his Wikipedia page is great

Respect for running the first Patreon grift

Probably an intelligence asset

greatest crank of all time


holy shit that dude is fucked up.

IV.  Daniel Burke Tweets 

Daniel Burke promotes a Schiller Institute celebration of Edgar Allen Poe. Last minute chance to join the Schiller Institute NYC Chorus event in honor of Edgar Allan Poe: “CELEBRATE THE LIFE OF EDGAR POE: AMERICA’S SOCRATES”. Never heard of Poe as so described, I have to go ahead and google the term. It appears Big Tech is suppressing it, favoring long time Larouche nemesis Noam Chomsky as “America’s Socrates”, as too Stephen Colbert.  We do get the Schiller Event listing on page two, but no literary scholar appears to have taken to the term.

Surprising revelation — a Nemesis of video game protaganists everywhere.

Daniel Burke sees someone he’s tweeted amicably with engage in fun and frivolous pursuits — decides to SIC ‘ EM!!!  Games are liberal. Host musikabends, like Schiller’s circle did, instead. Creative mentation, not simulation. RCam walks on unscathed.

Asking the bold question — can we kill Satan?  The answer … No.  But the Larouchies try anyway –   As the true nature of the universe is creative, Prometheus has every power to succeed, and banish Zeus forever. That victory depends upon a subjective commitment by sovereign human individuals to fulfill the potential of mankind. Allow Zeus’s continued lies, and we perish.  And with campaign rhetoric like that, you can see how they manage the percentages.  Then again, we do get surprising possibilities at the entanglement of larouche, Satanism, and industrial rock.  (‘Seth’ certainly a typo for ‘Set’.)

V.  RCam and Daniel Burke debate drug policy.

RCam:  Dude Weed Bros are the working class of america

Dude Weed Bro “It’s all bullshit man the whole thing’s rigged. Capitalism is evil. We just need to Love Each Other, Man.” This guy is my guy– this guy shall win in the end inshallah

Daniel Burke:  But he can’t do geometry, so how can he be a member of a republic?

Hey — the best student in my high school geometry class was a pothead!

RCam:  These are the only people who perk up when you say “Sacred Geometry” bro

Daniel Burke:  That’s just a meme, though. Can they double the square?  (speaking of stoner geometry) 

Something kinda sad in this statement — Yes, it’s one of the most fun things to do, especially in the street.

I don’t mean these guys aren’t recruitable. I mean we need them to understand that drugs are a weapon of the empire, and if they do so, and stop smoking, their minds will become more free.

You can’t knock the “recruitment” angle, as from my understanding the Larouche youth recruits over the year do not really even come out of political causes — primarily — as from a cultural disillusionmemt in the dorm rooms. Though, this tends more toward the clean with some disdain over student potheads than recovering stoners, the latter may still figure.

RCam:  Mushrooms & Marijuana & Alcohol & Nicotine are not Heroin & Ketamine & LSD & Cocaine etc.

Jack Webb: Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, lsd is the bomb..

Daniel Burke: Would you agree with me that the intended federal legalization of weed by Chuck Schumer is designed to increase overall drug consumption, stupefying the population and endangering their health?


Huh.  You now, Kanye West may just be receptive.  I expect he will get tweet bombed any week now.

Larouche was right about England and math

VI.  More Intimate Venues

Noting the presence of Ray McGovern at a Larouche conference, and I wonder… When was the last time this guy was on Democracy Now?

March 12, 2014.

A long time gone.  I can’t help think there is a connection between him not being on Democracy Now and him attending Schiller Institute confabs — even if I do not know its precise meaning.  Representative of some combination of Democracy Now “selling out” to a leftwing support gatekeeper role of the two party system, or of McGovern chasing downward into the further fringes.  Depending on your attitude.  (See here).

I sense the kind of floating sales attempt moving to Scott Ritter who, whatever you think of him, provides a thoughtful praise on the complicated legacy of Thomas Jefferson. Others chime in with reasonable points, and Ritter responds accordingly. Then Mike Dzagi uselessly plops in Larouchian crap on the matter, which everyone ignores. Ritter orbits nearby, and the tractor beams are lodged for future occasions.

On to this gray area of things — this “influencer” — is he kidding — or kidding on the square?

Agree?  9/11 “truth” was an effective vehicle for the far right to win over gullible leftists. Historical revisionism.

VII.  How Australia’s Larouche Movement Claimed Credit for…

Enter Australian Post:  The turgid and convoluted outpourings of the LaRouchite movement and its Australian cult followers are difficult to comprehend and, indeed, generally not worth the effort. They are  based on bizarre conspiracy theories that include febrile obsessions with, amongst others, the British Royal family (including claims Queen Elizabeth II is a drug trafficker and her late husband Prince Philip used the World Wildlife Fund to commit terrorism and genocide) and bankers. […] 

Witnessing the admiration and sympathy Holgate garnered among post office licensees, as well as others in the community who felt she had been badly treated, the ACP recast her as a proponent of its public bank policy. It claimed credit for what it called the “revelation…that Christine Holgate had considered turning Australia Post into a public bank, which Scott Morrison’s superiors in the private banks would have fought ‘tooth and nail’.”

According to the ACP, the story that “Four Corners” missed was “that Christine Holgate was a threat to the banks, by virtue of her interest in turning Australia Post into a public bank, which would break the monopoly of the Big Four.”

There is no evidence for any of this. On the contrary, Holgate’s successful banking deal, recently extended by a decade, “gives the [private] banks a broader reach into regional communities,” according to the Australian Financial Review’s James Eyers. […]

Thus, the LaRouchites have yet again made a performance of inventing for themselves an important role on the national stage. But, since the late 1980s, when it (as the CEC) came under the influence of the LaRouche movement, it has never had a candidate elected to any parliament in Australia, although it has made hundreds of attempts.

Yet despite the lack of parliamentary representation it has dramatically outperformed all Australia’s small but electorally more successful parties such as the Katter’s Australian Party and the Jacqui Lambie Network in one respect –  fundraising. If its coffers are anything to go by, its charade must be working.

VIII. Memories

A story of a near-miss. Years back (in 2008), when I 1st discovered YouTube, I was super into anti‐gov conspiracy theories (Alex Jones/InfoWars, Loose Change & 9/11Truth Movement, Zeitgeist, etc). I spent 100s of hours obsessively consuming those kinda vids — tho, 2 be clear, I was never… a true believer. For me it was more of a fascination, & just found it all kinda intriguing. And some of it seemed like it *could* have SOME legitimacy, or have morsels of truth wrapped up in it — while other stuff was undeniably bonkers (it [‘blew my mind’ emoticon] that some ppl are so detached… frm logic/reason/reality that they actually BELIEVE it). But mostly it seemed like conspiracy theories in the anti-gov genre were either grifts or mis/disinfo based on elements of truth which bad (or self‐serving) actors had spun in2 sensational stories & nefarious plots — … exploiting ppls cynism, fears, & the public’s knowledge of wrongdoing our gov really has engaged in, in order 2 sow discord or in service of an alterior agenda. [Winking emoticon]. But I digress. So, during that time I stumbled on this vid made/published by LaRouchePAC… [1932] And, while it has a kinda cheesylow‐budget production value, [faceslap emoticon] I’d be lying if I said it didnt resonate w/ me. And I may well have become a true believer in the conspiracy theory it lays out too — if I hadnt had the presence of mind 2 look up LaRouche 2 see what he was about… Then, after learning about him, & how he promoted low-key fascistic & antisemitic views, I rewatched that vid again (4 like the 17th time [faceslap emoticon]) & was able 2 connect the dots, read between the lines, & see the veiled fascism & anti‐semitism in the narrative its espousing. So yeah… can totally see how some ppl could buy in 2 LaRouche’s movement, become brainwashed, & adopt views/beliefs that are fascist & antisemitic, w/o even really realizing it. (If that makes sense.) The fascist propaganda thats masked in a Leftist facade is particularly insidious.

(notable accusation) One of my high school friends became a LaRouchie. He let slip that he did coke with one of its leaders. So much for their “drugs are a British conspiracy” theory.

Know math, stopping suddenly, turning to the Larouchies, “so you say… you hate England and math? tell me more.”

Yes, I’ve heard of the LaRouchies…we covered them in a course taught by @alexandraistein. Would love to speak with an ex-LaRouchie if anyone is interested… also, are there kids who grew up within it? Can you have a second generation LaRouchie?

That’s one idea. So, in college LaRouche cultist tried to recruit me with a pamphlet “Children of Satan: The Beast Man II” (Dick Cheney is the beast man). I’ve always gotten a kick out of it, but, since learning more about Jewish Satan the opposer angel, I now refer to my cat lovingly as CoSTBM2.

Never making this mistake again: The LaRouche people had a petition about that. I signed it, then they called after the election saying that they had gotten something done with it and it would probably happen soon

As a non-hockey guy, I view your obsession with Sun Belt hockey like I used to view the Lyndon LaRouche supporter who would stand outside the Ukrop’s store where I worked in HS. Except I must admit that your obsession pays off in success.

Hey — Byron’s “It’s the anti-insurrectionists who are the real insurrectionists” brings me back to those Saturday mornings of yore when a Lyndon Larouche supporter would set up a little table to scream nonsense.

Questions: say ur at the I around he school dance, vibing to the music (tuned to 432hz) and someone calls you a Aristitolean pawn of the satanic british imperialists in front of ur crush. Wyd?

An English friend from university days (early 80s) outwitted Larouche fundraisers who approached him in a US airport by explaining, “Oh – I don’t have any money. I’m British.” They immediately understood and nodded sympathetically. Amazing any vestige of LL’s influence remains.

. . . People who give away free stuff can set limits that are legally enforceable. My college newspaper was free, but when the campus LaRouchies started snatching every copy because we published an article painting them in a bad light, that was still considered theft. (that assumes the Parody view were a “campus club”, which I doubt.)

Recall — I remember one time when they came by my boss’ office and their leave-behind paper was an cartoon of Felix Rohatyn raping a donkey, which represented the Democratic Party.

(Review of “Sexual Impotence of Puerto Rican Socialist Party”) — lol jfc this is def about a girl.. my good homies father was actually the US editor of Claridad around this time i wonder if he bagged larouche’s chick lol […] What was with that guy? I went to one of their meetings or some shit when I didn’t know anything and it felt kinda cultist? Man it was probably like over 10 years ago and I went to the meeting and was asking like what the fuck do you guys even believe and never got a straight answer. (Speaking of neo- Malthusian ism!)

IX. Historical Purview

A call for kooky political manifestos. Australia’s movement gets a vote.

the persons one meets in a far ranging left to right poliltical journey) I’m not sure how I learned of Loren Golder, but it might have been on Aftermath. Goldner had a spotty past; this much I’d heard. He’d been involved with the former Marxist but later conspiracist Lyndon LaRouche. Goldner’s discipleship under LaRouche had ended with the latter ironically accusing him of being a CIA agent.

The Queen wears a crown! Corona means crown! OMG!!! It’s been right in front of us the whole time. Opium wars -> Wuhan -> …, etc., etc. Quick, someone dig up Lyndon Larouche!

Elected by whom and to what? MAIL FRAUD is punishable by Prison. Linden LaRouche went to prison on a technicality for Mail Fraud even tho his mail was shut off by the Feds AND HE WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL in his 80s serving his elected term from behind bars.

Translated: Do you remember when they fucked larouche in the talego and his wife helga convinced Pavarotti and domingo that the solution to achieve world peace was to lower the pitch of tuning the orchestras a micona and presented the proposal to the Italian parliament? Good times. Tb convinced Reagan to go ahead with the Star Wars that they would already get the lasers but the tuning of the orchestras seems more top. The wording can be confusing, Pavarotti and Domingo were not involved in the known laser weapons.

Translated — For a rational and peaceful society, let’s cancel quantum physics. Response in English: OK Lyndon LaRouche

I may as well note he has a larouche article on his substack page it breaks no ground so to summarize:, Lyndon LaRouche: The Windsor Mafia has infiltrated every level of government and controls almost every aspect of society through their various Aristotelian-Synarchist organs. Also Lyndon LaRouche: Here’re the intelligence reports on every leftist org we could identify Mr. FBI It’s incredible how a guy so redpilled on international drug trafficking and deep politics is also such a dedicated snitch but that’s LaRouche for you, always a bag chaser first and foremost

Hm… No. Lyndon Larouche candidates pulled this in IL during the 1980s. A LaRouche candidate ran as a Democrat for Lt Governor and didn’t reveal their true affiliations until after they won the primary, forcing the Democratic nominee for governor to distance himself from them. They lost. Like it or not, Team Larouche ran as members of the Democratic Party and ran as Larouchiesin 1986 Illinois. It was up front, no subterfuge. See too the obvious problem with this one — MAIL FRAUD is punishable by Prison. Linden LaRouche went to prison on a technicality for Mail Fraud even tho his mail was shut off by the Feds AND HE WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL in his 80s serving his elected term from behind bars. Not an elected official. Must have something lost in translation.

Bertrand Russell’s popular culture — If I were George Lucas I’d give every imperial character a British accent and have the rebels constantly extol the virtues of Lyndon LaRouche

Maybe the cec’s manifesto for list of kook manifestos?. And… How do you vote in a 3rd 4th place 1984 Presidential contest?. Tough choice, eh?

X. Touring

a friend saw LaRouchies outside a supermarket shilling for TFG. i can’t even. LaRouche is dead but the grift/cult lives on.

The swastika = Larouche tour is back!

what fuckery is this

It was some people from the Lyndon Larouche foundation/movement/asylum.

Ugh it had been years since I last wasted any brain cells on LaRouche cultists and damn you for ending that blissful streak

I thought they’d moved pretty far under their rocks too, then there they are on Main Street on a Friday afternoon talking about green energy genocide.

Well these are horrible people.

IDK near major NYC subway stop, my have been larouche nuts, didn’t engage lest I punch someone

And LPAC representing in a Sarasota, Florida garage!!!

XI. Current Events

On this Oregonian piece — The big problem with the ‘Microsoft and Bill Gates are microchipping us’ line is that it is rather antiquated technology — here in the world where Anyone motivated enough to track where I am typing right now can do so, with a modicum of tech savvy. It is not hard to appreciate the anxieties that give rise to this conspiracy theory — but its frame of references belongs to 1980.

In this light, I do scratch my head with Bob Wesser — What’s the point of the disingenuous gratuitous attack on Lyndon LaRouche? The LaRouche Organization has been at the forefront warning about the dangers of COVID infection worldwide and advocating vaccination, masks, and the establishment of a global health infrastructure. Uh… Huh? (That is lpac, and I guess Wesser sides with lorg, but — any separation on this issue?)

Is this conjecture off of that “Putin has a Trump pee tape” memo? Looks like Roger Stone, the guy who, with Harley Schlanger of the Lyndon LaRouche organization, probably helped Putin “hack” our election, is gonna lose his condo.

more I wish they’d ask the Lyndon LaRouche organization’s Harley Schlanger why, after returning from Moscow, he urgently wanted to meet with Roger Stone, with whom he did meet in April of 2016, according to Watergate attorney Doug Caddy, who contacted former colleague Stone for him.

Mike Lindell’s place in American politics.

Forecasting from political trendlines. We’re about 10 years out from the chapocells and red scare girls going all in on some kind of LaRouche ish fascist. Americans have been trying to elect a populist leaning fascist since like Huey Long. That becomes way more explicitly about race in the civil rights years (Wallace and co) but then LaRouche brought us back to esoteric American fascism and I think we’re just about ready to try it. Trump was like, the attempt to do this, but it turned out he was less interested in fascist stuff and more interested in having a good time. The environment is there nonetheless

XII. The tactics and schismatic ideology of Black Hammer garners multiple Larouche allusionsone knows enough to I.d. the labor caucuses. Toss in a reference to time cube.

Wasn’t Twitter a plot from Bertrand Russell?

Sunday, June 27th, 2021

I. Daniel Burke is a Very Online Person

discussing Malthus. Praising Putin. and Chavez and Maduro… I think. And this is all good and well, but what does it have to do with yoga?* Arguing with white nationalists. Making anti-Einstein signs. Surely this one will go viral any day now. Big opponents of Entropy. Unique scientific belief that Man is not Animal.. Opposition to pi. Another insulting of The Beatles. Weighing in on Abortion. The totally anti Plato Spenglerian figure of Cory Booker (nevermind no one mentioned him.)

* Regretfully, I lost this Twitter link, but it was a ridiculous “try to catch them all” response to someone talking about yoga.

The perceived competition, false gatekeepers touching on at least some of Larouche arguments, gets dismissed with a “Solutions???” charge. Lest RCam fall out of line and fail to find the Rosicurcian premise of the pseudointellectual malarky.

And the people are responding to this massive deluge.

Or, at times, not, as all roads lead to China’s government. (Curious firebombing attempt here — would Burke like to sell his William Blake interpretation to this thread?)

And all roads lead to a variation of this: You seem too closed, and unhappy, perhaps, to have an honest dialogue. You studiously avoid my central argument. Have a good rest of your day. Passive aggressive to the max!

Anti-gaming comments give Burke that “Boomer” insult. Burke assault on video games gets a gamer suggesting a compromise, but Burke is not having it.

Everyone finds out where that “race doesn’t exist” line gets you. Funnily, this Daniel Burke selling Larouche to the argurer of people who put on right jackasses and not left jackasses. See where that gets him.

Har de har, it is to laugh. Here goes a popular response to Daniel Burke on a conspiratorial webcast:Is LaRouche still alive? Da fuq. . Yeah, well… At 30 minute mark we get discussion of how he plays at Trump rallies. Lee Greenwood blaring, the gaudy patriotic music blares somewhere out of 432 range. Somehow we have not written the trash reality tv ethos of Trumpism as a defining characteristic of a Trump rally.

Oh, and what is this? China loves Larouche.

Tis official. LORG disowns Trump. Oh, wait. Helga goes on to throw Trump some support… Still, somehow, despite Greenwood, despite “China Virus”, despite… So, do we see here a new splintering in the offing? With Daniel Burke turning on his own away from Trump, And reiterating the “fallen off a cliff” mantra.

Nay. After a bit of wobbling, LORG’s final statement on Trump comes out: Had Trump exonerated LaRouche of the false charges brought against him, by the same corrupt Department of Justice which was out to destroy Trump’s presidency, and had he openly collaborated with the LaRouche organization in the global effort to end the British Imperial “regime change” war policy and its “Green New Deal” destruction of industrial progress globally, and called for a New Bretton Woods conference with Russia, China and others to put the bankrupt western financial system through bankruptcy reorganization, with Hamiltonian credit policies available in all nations—had he had the courage to do that, he would still be President, and the world would likely be on a road to recovery and perhaps a new Renaissance. Wait — does this mean that, like Trump finally at last, LORG is admitting that Biden did in fact win?

Lol LaRouche.

The cultural war remains and now comes front and center… Disillusioned by Greenwald at a Trump rally, we turn now to the Video Game Plague. And the postulation goes — video game playing = acceptance of mass death.

Everything rolls into a rush. I mean, some twitterers are here too busy playing video games to be there where People are grabbing copies; we’ll have gotten out several hundreds within another couple of hours. Yeah, the New Federalist going out like hot cakes! — but not to these dudes. And it is Adventures in Crisis mongering — 12 Minutes til — Bring out the spectre of Bertrand Russell, or a strawman version thereof.

Nazis have nothing on Elizabeth. We are very close to Thermonuclear extinction. Sane people must combine to create a way out.

Basically what we see here as Daniel Burke fights the video game is a guy who loves Humanity and not so much People. Over the last four years there was a genre of books published — sitting aside and somewhat a subgenre within the usual genre of anti-Current Guy in Charge books that always proliferate during any President’s tenure — which can be considered “anti- anti Trump books”. It is one which speaks somewhat to me — looking warily at a President who until that last month in office I could always say “preferable to W Bush” and get a tongue lashing for this from people who consider themselves “The Resistance”. And where our gamer arguing with Burke commits a faux pas by referencing Edgar Allen Poe as ” classical” — no idea if he picked him by knowing that Poe is on Larouche’s list of “good” — the idea remains, expressed by David Shield in ” Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump” in staring down various Artistic Resistancers — I quoted on my blog here.

In Vimi Bajaj’s essay on V.S. Naipaul in the “Writer’s Chronicle,” she argues that he was a great writer only early on, when he was compassionate, and is now no longer of interest, because he hates most of humanity; such a formulation would eliminate everything from Petronius’s “The Satyricon” (1st Century A.D.) to Michel Houellebecq’s “Submission” (2015).

Reminds me of reading, in the wake of Trump’s election, a Literature professor declaring that she was now going to emphasize empathy in her syllabus selections.

Back in the day I had a comic book fan and Larouchie commenting on this blog, who had (has?) a web page of prized comicbook artists’ commissioned work that he’s bought over time. Horror of horrors, he reiterated time and again against any contradiction of following the Larouche line on things against Larouche’s highfalutin fight against lower culture — his assembly of what must be emulated to be considered Art. But here we find Daniel Burke trashing The Batman Animated Show of the 1990s, as against some Twitter comments disliking more contemporary popular items and with a suggestion of introducing it to his children at an age appropriate time. Evidentially Burke holds that such a time exists not at all, lest we suck the kids into “porno popular culture”. I will not be able to explain how you raise your kids through the oft rough terrain of the culture at large, but the answer lies somewhere short of Burke’s Larouchian “show no visual medium but classic paintings before the age of 25” and describing every tasteless item as Aristotilian or “Bertrand Russell ‘s popular culture”.

Most useful thing i have found about LaRouche’s cult is their articles and material on based industrial projects and how asbestos is good actually because of their belief the secret bong oligarchy is holding back progress to make us all serfs in the form of hippies

Proceeding with the “Anti-Malthusian Front” — Yeah, this attempt at an equivalence argument on Chinese versus American tyranny chimes false with the reference to Larouche. On the comment: China’s government is not Malthusian. It is Vernadsky-an. And I admit I had to go to Wikipedia to catch up on where China’s government has shifted to from its one child policy — we are now up to two children! With maybe more loopholes and room for “nudge” economics– but it all rings pretty Malthusian to me, and not shuffled over to a long departed Mao.

Oh, what else can we say with Daniel Burke’s domination of Larouchie Twitter? Hm. Zhang Heqing doesn’t.

Spoke with NYC mayor candidate, split amicably.

this Blackrock thing is really drawing out the Larouchies and goldbugs in the NIMBY caucus, ain’t it. Great response here from Leapingbaath. Daniel Burke continues beating that drum.

But again with the this: Keep thinking this way, and you will find yourself licking the Queen’s backside in hell for eternity. Repent, and join humanity in the effort to lift every human being out of poverty, famine, and disease. Have a good day!

You know, Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, celebrated by the Larouche movement for about a decade and maybe half. And, y’know — on this “My friend Bill Ferguson’s anti-Obama poem called “b-ball” — full of an anti-Obama stance that is in its own world — observation: Obama also played a lot of golf… Like his predecesdors and guy who followed. (I don’t know about the current guy — who is, uh, a little old). Why no golf reference — instead we focus on basketball?

II. Notes from the Civil Wars

Hm… Meanwhile, over at LPAC… It is Barbara Boyd charging Exxon with getting taken over by the greenies. Huh. Yeah, well, they are positioning themselves as Fox News is getting soft — not hyper-critical enough against Biden, though as against Putin it leaves everyone in a bind. And then there is Susan Kokinda keeping the Trumpet faith at the big Trump rally in Ohio. We llll!wait for Trump to hold forth against The British.

Inviting a scrimmage in the civil war against LPAC (though this person is unaware of such a thing), it must be noted that we continue to see scrimmages in the schism which started it all — when Larouche broke from Trotsky — so this account from Daniel Burke of exchanging religious dogma disputes with a Trotskyite can be viewed as just a continuation of a 50 year Civil War.

III. Chris Hedges Ignores Diane Sare

Outside of Daniel Burke’s Twitter feed, there is no coverage of Diane Sare being cut off at a Chris Hedges q and a session. The takeaway from the Larouchie faithful is of Chris Hedges getting EXPOSED as a gatekeeper — and shutting Diane Safe from popular consciousness. (“Cancelled”?)

Meanwhile, the usual suspects give Chris Hedges a thumbs up.

Curiously, at least one Twitterer has sourced Larouche material to arrive at the conclusion — Assange and Snowden are parts of the conspiracy. How this jives with him seeing EIR sell “Free Assange”, dunno.

The Larouche Movement has yet to respond to this challenge. I want a rumble!!!

IV. Daniel Burke Scopes Out NYC Party Scene

Daniel Burke wants to know: Where do young people in NYC go to bars, on Friday nights in June 2021? I want to campaign where there is a flood of young people. Hm. I hear the kids are into the Goth these days. And the Techno. Check out the Goth Techno scene… Surely you will pick up new Larouchies there.

Hm. To make a revolutionary discovery, that individual will have to overcome every assumption in the theorem lattice of their society—so, it is true that even in a degraded culture (like our own), this potential exists. Imagine the world where everyone, or the mass of people, are making revolutionary discoveries, and revolutionary discoveries all the time at that. Such a world can not exist, as revolutionary discoveries will be devalued (degraded, possibly) to the point where they cannot be considered revolutionary discoveries — BY DEFINITION. Or maybe we will end up with a revolutionary discovery inflation… Like, how every new youth get defined as the “trophy generation” for feelings of entitlements.

Hey, though! We do find people receptive to Larouche’s message: Once the edibles start kicking in in earnest, should I start watching Lyndon LaRouche videos? Maybe a cannabis cafe is the way to go. The conclusion: Okay so watching Lyndon LaRouche campaign ads while high was fucking amazing and I have no idea whether I should take them seriously or ironically and no idea whether to agree or disagree. Once the decision is made, there is merchandise available.

Hm. Whether or not the stoner crowd goes for the LORG, gotta get there before LPAC comes in with their material — whether or not it is as Daniel Burke derides — Nah that’s the pathetic evil break off crowd. They use LaRouche’s name while rejecting his love of all mankind. […] Doubt it. That is an old poster, but I bet they are just reusing it. The guy who posted it acted like he just ran into them. […] Yeah but look at how demoralized they are, putting up a sign the printer ruined. I bet they didn’t even check the QR. — Whoever gets the mind space first will always be their representation of Larouchism.

Not necessarily promising a sign: I’m convinced that if Lyndon LaRouche never renounced Marxism left twitter would be infested with unironic LaRoucheites as well as Dengists and other such folk.

V. Now flooding the zone in “larouche Twitter”, which has been for the past several months dominated by Daniel Burke… It is “lindy larouche“. Random use of moniker and image as he relates old Conan O’Brien bits and makes a good argument on hypothetical election scenarios. I guess one can count Twitter responders who comment on the joke, keep a tally — do so yourself if interested.

Curiously ripping through tik tok — And at first I do not see anything except the use of the Hamilton musical, and only a small deluge of “larouche” tweets brings me to look deeper and watch the c-note rush by, complete with references to Rockefellar. Someone round those parts digs deeper (looks at her tiktok page) and notes the woman’s eclectic political influences. Altogether, it is amusing that in as much as anything larouchian went viral this last month, it is this tik tok dancer — perhaps giving credence to Daniel Burke’s hypothesis on cultural degeneration. Is she the future of Larouchism?

VI. How goes it, Caleb Maupin?

Maupin refusing to name his mentor? Why is that? I heard him say he was mentored by an “economist” in nyc (who he would not name) that taught him about the supposed possibilty of ‘infinite economic growth’ soon as he said that I suspected it was LaRouche himself! Maupin’s rhetoric has always been too close to larouche’s.

Oh… Maupin moving tactically in the direction?

Maupin’s rejoinder comes in: “I know you are but what am I?

VII. Mike Gravel Dies, Handful of People Know and Care Enough to comment that He ran around with Larouche a bit at the End… We find some people really really dislike him.

… Kudos to the person who placed up the Alex Jones video clip where he specifically threw out high praise, so Gravel and “Gravel Institute” could not dodge the issue behind a “just speaking to anyone” premise. All that besides, Mike Gravel did go on to — upon folding up his 2020 presidential bid — endorse Bernie Sanders, as opposed to the Larouchie uber love of Trump. I suppose it is best to suggest the high point of his late life legacy in fringe politics is his place in a mock committee on extraterrestrial life — and there are a few to choose from for his low point.

Hm…. People need to understand that the Gravel campaign was a trojan horse for the LaRouche Movement. Rebuttal: No it wasn’t.

On the Alex Jones front, I stumble into this Huh? Alex Jones smears of Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr. are remarkably similar to FBI CoinTelPro tactics & serves FBI goals… the crushing of socialist movements, for which LaRouche is one. I am curious to see if there is a new pronounced attitude from Alex Jones — and it is worth noting Jones has not been consistent on things over the years. (There is a pre 2015 Jones and a post 2015 Jones — marking as Ron Paul gets replaced by Donald Trump as Great American Hero — or perhaps better marked as a Kurt Nimmo as main accolyte at infowars era and a Paul Joseph Watson era.). A quick Google search reveals nothing.

VIII. Memories

Matthew Sweet: I once attended a LaRouche meeting in New York where we sang Mozart’s Requiem in solfeggio to a Bontempi beat and an old lady told me the British LaRouche group was an MI6 operation. …. Were they pursuing their campaign for changing the standard tuning of A=440 Hertz, which was a LaRouche thing for a while IIRC ?

This New Yorker cartoon contest entry suffers from the “putting hat on a hat” problem in comedy writing.

you kids missed out… Was he handing out Lyndon Larouche literature? You’re probably too young to remember THAT awesome airport experience. 🙂 Much more aggro than Krishnas.

I remember coming across what were presumably GW undergrad students canvassing/harassing for LaRouche outside of the Foggy Bottom Metro Station in 2004, and it boggled my mind that kids were still getting pulled into his microcult

Shortly after 9/11 I signed up to hand out LaRouche publications at college. Sent me two big boxes of pamphlets then start reading about how women have sexual guilt because their genitals too close to anus and I’m like yeah I am not gonna be passing these out after all.

Yeah but its… LaRouche? Like you can’t take that man seriously. The only guy I knew who really handed out his lit was this would mostly rant about circumcision on the corner (like okay but). The ones in Occupy were easy to spot, their rhetoric was transparently all aesthetic.

Mensa Facebook posts: Honestly, the “League of Lyndons” post when LaRouche died is one of my all-time favorites. I laugh every time I think about it.

series of dreams last night. -trapped in a vampiric dinner with smug 20 yr old Lyndon LaRouche fascists -had to cap off demonic interdimensional rift under an apartment building -glassy orbital space hotel / mall started spinning all the way out of control and crashed to earth […] I’m sure the Lyndon LaRouche fans appeared because of a single tweet i read on this hellsite yesterday

Dateline Burlingame: The weather is fine and the #larouche #loonies are out in downtown #burlingame @ Downtown Burlingame. One mean looking granny.

Better techno thriller than Clancy!

Then there is this. Every day, I’m ALREADY on here telling ppl to GFT. I got into a public fight with some LaRouchies, and my hubs had to drag me away (the guy was twice my size and 1/4 my age). I already KNOW politics ain’t for me except as a watcher. […] Oh those fucks, they used to all over Seattle. I stupidly signed up with them and they wouldn’t stop calling. Next time I saw them, I ran the other way. As far as Twitter I already lost my last account, I have to be good on this one.

Not going unnoticed. they’re aggressively recruiting on the NYC streets, you got time. a LaRouche campaigner stopped me on the street and kept asking me “were you born good or bad? GOOD or BAD?”

When Straussians see LaRouche guys on the street, tradition dictates a rumble for old times sake. […]. These same characters were laughed off W 98th & Broadway on Monday.

They’ll get you with something — I had no idea Larouche wrote stuff like this. Last time I ran into Larouche people was on street in NYC, when they accosted me and tried to convince me Dick Cheney was Satanic. […] lol, while they weren’t wrong, that stuff doesn’t help. LaRouche was a very strong proponent of classical music, RIP.

Forerunners of American Fascism. My father was a union shop steward that also subscribed to the Lyndon LaRouche newsletter. You’re not going to get me with vulgar maxism and the sheer force of cracker grievance – I grew up, inside, the ideology you’re grasping towards.

After eight years embedded in D politics, before exiting, I can say with confidence that the number of times GPUS was discussed was somewhere south of Lyndon Larouche on the frequency list. Probably most discussion during the 8 years of — hm, 1996 – 2004 focused on Nader. Below that, they really have not gotten big enough to warrant some tooth gnashing that Republicans experience with a handful of downballot Libertarians — though there was some aggrivation in Arizona a decade and a half back with Republican bankrolled Green candidates. Larouchies were much discussed at various times over the decades in Illinois, Virginia, and Texas. (Tonally different but probably a point of order in Massachusetts.)

A joke, I assume: Come read my superintelligent Marxist essay about why the left should remain a highly exclusive club no bigger than the size of a public library speaking event. Medium says it’s just a 97-minute read. It’s got over six views and counting. Hope you like footnotes […………..] Lyndon LaRouche was on his path to doing that and he realized it was more fun to engage in Operation Mop-up. And even in that respect he proved cleverer than the people around him because that’s precisely what should be done to political parties across the spectrum.

IX. History

Part of the 1986 Illinois campaignings. Side topic but apparently once Lyndon LaRouche sent his crew to exorcise Eliade’s house (instead of electioneering stuff on Election Day) because he thought Eliade was a witch […] Apparently!!! Because of uhhhhhh witchcraft. I think it’s my second favorite LaRouche spat with an awful person, after Edward Teller [etc]

Hm. Idaho is the only John Birch Society stronghold of the ’60’s that never let up. John Schmitz came in 2nd in ’72. It’s the one state where LaRouche-type independents have consistently done better than other parts of the U.S. Such inaccuracies irritate me, No– McGovern did indeed kick Schmitz’s butt in Idaho 26 to 9.3. The stat that is stuck in his head is the “Beat him in 4 counties”. On that larouche type independents, it might depend on what the hell that means.

The company Larouche sources keep.

… Okay, but which set of Larouchies?

no clue what this means. Wasn’t the political platform of Larouche basically an extended critique of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha * program? * 2x

listing “real” progressives.

I claim neutrality on the “October Surprise”, but I see a flaw in this formation: You always buy into Conspiracy Theories that Lyndon LaRouche was peddling? Investigated by Congress. They found nothing. Trust Congress?

Tshirt for sale.

Flashing back to the turn of the century:  Lyndon “I am the Boomer Doomer” LaRouche

Sigh. This again. Andy Ngo is a dishonest actor, but passable to his Fox News audience — a milk shake thrown at him (vegan, mind you) is “quick drying cement”. The (inadvisable, sure) assault on him — a push by the antifa yahoos — was not enough for his neck brace. That being said…

The fixed premise setting of the conspiratorial mindset.Shredding the January 6th Myth As the result of studies of) the terrorist operations of the 1980s and 1990s, and the hybrid warfare doctrines of various nations, Lyndon LaRouche concluded that there were no naturally evolving terrorist phenomena, that all such terrorist incidents were directed by state actors or the British Empire in one form or another. And it is there that I understand the claim of Larouche as ” the intellectual author of the 9/11 Truth” movement, whether I agree beside the point.

I already have noted “Lengthy Mike” Anderson’s hobby horse line. But nay to this — you need to ask the question to Xi Van Fleet, not Franklin Graham — she is the one who used the term. The big news here is that Mike Anderson finally meets up with Very Online Daniel Burke and… He does not acquit himself well. Surely he can find more damneding material than something calling into question Hitler’s, Stalin’s, and some Capitalists’ motivations at the onset of WW2. I suppose the good news is that Burke’s follow through is asinine enough to suggest had he been up to it, Anderson would be able to throw more carefully argued crap from the book out there — or better to suggest that even as Anderson fails at his job here, Daniel Burke is there to do it for him. So now, Burke dismissed, he can get back to his big Twitter project of citing the politics of South Park cartoons as simply regurgitating the message of Larouche.

The problem with this postulation — once upon a time in a prior decade, I saw anti Wal-Mart piece in a Larouche publication, at the same!e time as I saw an anti Wal-Mart piece in Mother Jones. No matter where you stand on a large search of issues, you will be in agreement with the Larouch goes at some point, at least superficially and at least until paragraph 3 when they just tick off a list of Jewish surnames as Enemies of All Humanity.

(Rub eyes). So we just start ascribing every antisemitic piece of trash to Larouche now?

On the next hand, I have to contemplate the sad world in which this person lives. Never gonna be a good day when antiSemites like Roger Waters and Margorie Taylor Greene are trending this early. Only things missing are Lyndon LaRouche and one of the Haddid girls to make it a full house. I had to wonder — why is his name inflaming this twitterer so? — did he at some point in time talk of Rockefeller controlled weather apparatuses causing forest fires? So, looking up Waters with ” anti-Semitism” — (sigh) — okay, he disagrees with him on Israel and Palestine. The only problem I see there is that if he is hailing forth on it between songs, it will ruin a concert experience, but I tend to side with David Gilmore anyway.

Randomly tossing out this larouche article on how Blair “smeared” larouche through Jeremiah Duggan, nevermind how far we are now from Tony Blair. But I guess this is the world in which they live.

Cute. “Frankfurt Marxist”. I dreamt that Jack Kerouac became a LaRouchie

Some more battles from “the left” against right entryists. I should point out that Matt Tiabbi, back when he was a liberal darling against Bush and then with Rolling Stone — described his desire not to be the new Hunter Thompson but the new HL Mencken.

The bane of “Libertarian Party”: by dent of kookdom, you get lumped in with Larouche. (Swarming about this map). We seem to get a good deal of this: Almost universally the Ron Paul libertarians who annoyed me the most in college are full blown MAGA. The edge lords determined right wing populism was far edgeier.

Here’s WHY: Those people were CRANKS – WE are NOT ”cranks”. Why would I want to associate OUR thing w/CRANKS? That’s it — Cranks always call other Cranks Cranks and deny their own Crankdom. LaRouche was kinda unique. A LOT of refugees from the ’60s COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY Right ended up w/him but he defies simple categorization. I think he was a utopian socialist at base w/more than a passing sympathy for RACIALISM. That’s the best way to think of it.

Just the 80s?

One of the worst theorists, Lyndon LaRouche— who possibly believed his own nonsense– would write articles filled with 50 assertions; one of which might be credibly sourced, with some truth; the other 49 being leaps of logic combined with wild speculation. Art of the con.

Who the heck is DrZ? I’m with you, but DrZ was reading “fringe’ media in 1965 and taking Lyndon LaRouche to lunch to get the outside PoV.

RCam sells the old British set up Hitler and Stalin line.

… Roy Cohn… Now East, strange bedfellows.

Cafe dot com offers up a basic and generic overview of Larouche history.

Bookmark for later podcast pursual. Frank Zappa figures somehow.

HmXenon-129 isotope on Mars? Evidence of US Spece Force trying to terraform the planet? (perhaps in an expedition in 1985, at the request of Ronald Reagan’s Science Advisor, Lyndon LaRouche?) Or. ancient Atomic War that compelled martianoids to colonize Earth?


Investigative report in the offing.

Aussie Larouchie responds making use of old canard. Also we get this “wants a postal bank” as their innocuous fight claim.

Why does everything get the presumption of “false flag until proven otherwise”?

winning friends, influencing people…

And of course a good source for China’s media… Y’know, Abraham Lincoln woulda declared their government Democratic. It is curious that they are citing the Aussie variant of the movement, but then again what you do is throw up a lot of names for the same thing…

… And use the phrase Anglo-American empire’s “War Party”.

One deleted tweet from the party: This article contains a false claim that we were founded by Lyndon LaRouche. Obviously @meriamrobin hasn’t spoken to Craig Isherwood or watched “Who We Are”.  Oh, sure.  Also the Nazi Party predated Hitler’s joining.  Hm.  Steve Allen did The Tonight Show before Johnny Carson. 

(Stephan Ossenkopp does his part — presenting me the question:  who?  Well, he beat out one party in an election.)

Watching the first couple minutes of their introductory video.  And… Um… Well, you can’t mistake the excitement level for  trump Rally.

Behold!  Helga Zepp Larouche provides perhaps the scariest PR job for China’s government yet, coming out Foursquare against Individualism no matter how defined.

I don’t read French, but I do grasp the gist of this material on Jacques Cheminade.

XI.  Is that right?  Dunno…

I want to look into this claim: Loudon County is where LaRouche’s farm was. At the beginning of all this there was a based black woman that everyone was rt’ing. You could tell by her lingo she was a LaRouche person. Not saying there’s anything sinister going on. Quite proud of everyone. A raucous and contentipus issue, and certainly a culturlal flashpoint the Larouchies can exploit. But as of yet I do not see the Larouchie and want to know what language was used —  was “dutch Anglo” here, “anti-Malthusian Alliance” there (dunno about “Aristotle Baconist“– or if we are back into seeing basic rightwing premises good and bad get oh so defined for bashing purposes.  The one thing we do have is Richard Black, former state legislator, speaking — but he can move in and out of Larouche space..

and lastly, Matt Taibbi will probably disagree with Nick Benton.

Aldous Huxley Rules

Thursday, May 27th, 2021
I. Doug MalloukEXPOSED!

the black hammer show I guess we’ll find out if/when a bunch of adjacent leftist organizations start getting ratted out and hit with nunchucks in a weirdly-coordinated way. (Comparisons continue.) this is just LaRouche’s Operation Mop-Up for people who call themselves “influencers”

I’m a Lizard People/Lyndon LaRouche guy, over here.. Better than “communist land base”s.

Battle lines drawn. I was born with an inherent distrust for government/authority.. my dad had us reading LaRouche newsletters when we were kids.. But 2020 has solidified it for me.. I will NEVER trust any “Experts” or “Mainstream Scientists” or Government “Doctors” or any Government official.. Who needs experts when you got larouche pamphlets, eh?

II.  Music Theory

What to make of the shout out to Louis Farrakhan?

Farrakhan is playing Beethoven’s violin concerto tomorrow night at 7PM. I think it’s really important that everyone watch. He’s a very good violinist. If you want to listen to music, instead of torturing yourself with some inhuman noise that the British Empire hypnotized you with, then you have to listen to this concert.

And with that diss of the Beatles out of the way, next comes a self promotion, tying the musical ventures of the Larouche Movement with the musical abilities of the Nation of Islam leader.

Then, you must listen to Schiller Institute NYC Chorus, of which I am a member

Sure. Next go to GWAR’s cover of Cindy Lauper’s “She Bop”.

Oh wait. This is, in fact, why pornography is so terrible. It dampens a person’s capacity for empathy. It is the destruction of something beautiful — the mind. The erotic trance prevents a person from concentrating on profound ideas. You become a slave to pleasure.

Quite an analysis for vandalism on historic structures. But LORG is moving over to recruitment field of picking up college drop outs who are disillusioned with cultural pap, and aching for higher culture aims. And thinking (possibly correctly, possibly not) that they jack off too much. BUT

If you’re not watching Farrakhan’s concert right now, you are an idiot. I am finally going to get off twitter.

Sorry, but everyone’s too busy solving the Israeli Palestinian war by building the World Land Bridge.

Daniel Burke has been pulling a crazy Twitter torrent, I guess viewable as a recruitment drive. (“We’re growing”.) Following the logic here… The United States is not the British Empire, although since they assassinated Kennedy, the presidents have gotten progressively more subservient to that system. … Progressively? So… Biden worse than Trump worse than Obama worse than Bush 2 worse than Clinton worse than Bush 1 worse than Reagan worse than Carter worse than Ford worse than Nixon worse than Johnson. Trump sucks now, eh?

Some decent points on mass sensory overload, if pointing to the least subtle production of Disneyland, and stuck in a generational trope — the milennials are old news now, it’s all about the zoomers now — we come up to this hypocritical smash where something — anything — on Oprah is finally brought into focus.

Presented is a 2013 article quoting Oprah on how “racist old people needing to die off” for racial progress. An updated version for today wllould be a picture of an American burdened by a racist elderly person in a wheelchair.

Recall Larouche on the greatness of the new generation circa 2002, or at least those who dropped in to get theater practice with Robert Beltran and practice doubling squares, as against the hopeless degeneracy of the Baby Boom generation.  I guess they are delving into this same cultural terrain of giving college drop outs a new set of teachers — not beholden to Disney )(a little bit of work to do as the suggestion that place is the ONLY entity not beholden to Disney suggests LORG is.). And with this the youth may be suscepible to that message that

Rules are Satanic.  And sell them on the biggest humiliation the larouchies suffered in these past few years, which we see that they view as a victory — when AOC was confronted by a universally viewed as lunatic LPACer with an “eat the babies” mantra. Yes Generation Zoomer — you too can have what she had!

PS LaRouchePAC is a group of evil people who took LaRouche’s name but only desecrate his legacy. Yeah, and it is a short countdown to tell that to this guy, who does not know that Planet Larouche has broken into two factions, and is liable to mistakenly just mock these tweeterers.

The Civil War commences again. Yeah, when will the bloodshed end?

III.  Part 2

Like an adolescent punk rock fan poohpoohing popular punk acts as not being real punk, whether accurately or not irrelevant to the concern of categorization and snobbishness. So you dig any classical, baroque, or romantic musician not named Mozart?. Prepare to get Mozart shoved loudly into your face, you fool! You will be Mozarted!!!

Prolific Twitterer Daniel Burke argues against the musical tastes of Larouche adjacent R Cam. Johnny Cash is crap, apparently. See too Bob Dylan. Everything fell apart when the British stepped in and created Jazz to ruin America. Or maybe it started with Euclidean geometry.

Then again, this tweet here may explain why the Larouchies reject any contemporary popular music… Because all I hear with this tweet is Bruce Springsteen with “Glory Days”, puzzlingly the song’s protagonist at least lived those glory days where here — not so much.

Hm. This is how Furtwangler fought fascism. I think you will approve.

Yeah, well… Here’s how Jello Biafro fought neo-liberalism.  Much of the lyrics should appeal to the Larouchies.  It beats the stupid “eat the babies” thingy.

Point: Mankind is a galactic species, regardless of your view. Counterpoint: No it isn’t.

Point:  Your idea of a “war on drugs” is totally different from LaRouche’s…  LaRouche’s number one anti-drug measure was and is the restoration fo FDR’s 1933 Glass-Steagall.  Counterpoint:  I don’t know if the 80s literature on the drug war involved Glass Steagall let alone prioritize it on page one and on the covers (Someone look up in the index to tell me — How many references does Dope Inc make to Glass Steagall?), but they sure were happy to collect credit card information from the populace supporting the accepted terms and support the politicos implementing the definition of the phrase “War on Drugs”.

Curious, this. It goes back to McGeorge Bundy, the Ford Foundation, and LaRouche. What do you think Operation Mop-up was?  Begs a few questions — in Larouchian lore, who beat up who?

An epic Twitter debate between Daniel Burke and a “bald head man”, whose Twitter address has a “2” after it suggesting bald head man 1 was already taken. Burke slides back to the cudgel of shouting “agape!”, which surely wins any debate to those with full agape.

IV. Woke Forces Go After Aldous Huxley at Western Washington University, picking up Larouche Attacks

All we have to do is open our eyes and look. The A.S. Review’s op-ed arguing for the denaming is pulled out of the creationist, anti-evolution, anti-science, white supremacist swamp of disinformation and conspiracy. The article is written by Paul Glumaz, a long-term activist for the Lynldon LaRouche organization. He published in Executive Intelligence Review, a notorious LaRouche newsmagazine known for hawking conspiracy theories over the past five decades, including that climate change is a hoax and the “Big Lie” conspiracy that claims the election was stolen from Trump. Glumaz himself is currently a leading promoter of the Big Lie.

Glumaz’s article is a tour de force synthesis of the creationist, Christian fundamentalist, anti-science attacks on Huxley. The attacks have spread and multiplied since Henry M. Morris published an article in 1973 accusing Huxley of racism and connecting evolutionary theory to genocide. Morris was the founder of scientific creationism, a fanatical anti-evolutionist and himself a racist who supported a biblical justification for slavery.

Glumaz’s absurd rhetoric escalates to a dramatic climax of mind-control conspiracy where Huxley single-handedly (well, with a little help from Darwin) purges God and scripture from society. In its place he builds an “empire of Malthusian genocide” (Malthusian often being code for birth control and reproductive rights) that is leading us into a secular “Dark Age collapse of civilization.”


Glumaz’s arguments are used throughout the A.S. Review op-ed. We should take to heart the concluding words of Paul White, one of the distinguished historians the Task Force asked to comment on Huxley’s legacy. White is the editor and research associate for the Darwin Correspondence Project, at Cambridge University. White wrote the following about the A.S. Review articles:

“I have tried to understand something of the situation you are facing, and have read several articles in the AS Review (“Thomas Huxley: Once Respected, Now Rejected,” “Students Continue to Push for Huxley College Name Change”). These are not well informed and are stitched together from a handful of sources. From the Executive Intelligence Review (one of the sources cited), I learned that Huxley orchestrated the hideous conspiracy that man is an instinct driven ape-like creature. Huxley is described as an abolitionist, he was in fact much more than this. He called for the elimination of all political, legal, and economic prejudices, equal rights and opportunities for people of all races (and sexes). If the staff and students agree to remove Huxley’s name, they should at least do so with a better understanding of his views, and an appreciation for his place in the history of human emancipation and activism.”

The Glumaz citation was also included in the follow-up research document submitted to the Task Force, and the basic framework and arguments were maintained. Quote-mining is used extensively throughout the report, with most of the lifted passages quote-mined previously by creationists. Virtually all the arguments against Huxley can be traced back to creationist sources.

The “man is not an ape” line dragged out to prove a Malthusian pessimism by opponents, curiously for a man who spent a lifetime predicting quarterly apocalypses here called — ironically — an Optimist.

The brilliant, agapic statement of Xi Jinping … Yeah, 0.5Â¥ has been deposited to your account  (and the entre to Iranian Press extended to Bill Jones)– Now he’s just burning his bridges to lpac.   And ensure that if previously Larouche fan Alex Jones has someone on the show, it will be from the load faction — should they submerge Xi agapism enough — see the current poll on info wars:

What’s The Next Crisis China And The Globalists Will Unleash?
Food/water shortage Another energy attack Weather disaster World war

LORG still has grayzone, though.  They have work to do to move from eyes coming back on China regarding Wuhan labs.

On this discussion on Twitter regarding China’s government’s perfidy, somewhere short of the comments of Jacques Cheminade — LORG is laying it on thick, aren’t they?

V.  Memories

That one time… Yep. I nearly missed a flight out of Houston Hobby (i.e., cops offered me option to return my husband in the bar or be detained) in the early 80s for picking a fight with Lyndon LaRouche followers. […] I also ran into LaRouche folks at a table in front of City Hall in Monterey, CA about 4 yrs ago. They remain crazy as ever. (No police intervention was needed that time

Watching Congressional GQPr’s interact with actual voters reminds of Barney Frank, when he told a Larouche nut that arguing with her was “like arguing with a dining room table.”

2 girls from my HS turned down full rides to Stanford to work for the Lyndon LaRouche campaign

More professionally, Our Town. I remember Our Town’s going after crackpot Lyndon LaRouche, who posted his minions at NYCO airport terminals in the days when I often had to fly for work. So Our Town always gave me fodder for airport arguments with cultists. I recall Our Town’s coverage of our efforts on the UES to save the City and Suburban Houses, and it was an Our Town reporter who caught then Mayor Koch on City Hall’s steps shaking his finger and berating me for “perverting the letter and spirit of the Landmarks Law, saying, “Mr. Gold – it is a perversion!

Favorite “insult”: LaRouchite told me that I was being too objective by asking him what ideas LaRouche had other than his economic craziness.

Hm. I went on a date once with a girl who tried to recruit me. I went to one meeting with her then spent an evening trying to get her to leave the cult, while she kept insisting I give it another chance. It was a wild meeting. Poetry and reading classics and shit

Remembering Nataliya Vitrenko through her 2004 campaign poster,key data

heh There’s an old story about some LaRouchies showing up to a Foucault lecture in the 70s and accusing him of being a CIA plant. Today they could instead go to Langley and accuse the CIA directors of being Foucauldian plants.

Regretable youthful discretions. When I was just 17 I campaigned for Lyndon LaRouche so don’t be embarrassed about John Edwards! I was young and impressionable and was too immature to do any real research on who he was. My husband set me straight. I was always very careful after that!

Recent victim. If you feel bad about yourself just remember that at least you did not come under the influence of Lyndon LaRouche for about a month in late 2015.

Red Pill Diaries.

College bits: I went to Brandeis and my first big story at the college newspaper was when the radio station brought in some LaRouche lljugend to talk about the world affairs and the speaker dove right into the links between the Queen, the Triad gangs and, I think, Abba Eban, whom the speaker claimed helped the SS round up Jews. It was scheduled for right after a lecture by a professor on the Holocaust, and some kids who got out of that wandered into the LaRouche thing, and, well, it didn’t end well (fortunately, only one kid was injured enough to require a trip to the ER).

And…  Will never forget my at the time Larouchian friend in college insisting that ‘being woke’ means knowing that george soros’ open society foundation astroturfed blm into existence

Me too! Was kinda convincing for my impressionable 18y.o. brain until they started talking smack about rap music.

BURN!!! Someone once called me the Lyndon LaRouche of Catholic Twitter and this comment has never ceased to haunt me.

Tea Party memories.

Blame it on Dave Emory.

Laffs. Trying to write a joke about Lyndon Larouche warning against the dangers of Italian sandwiches- how Eggplant Parm is “the degenerate food of the hot blooded saracen let loose on a continent built on reason” but it isn’t funny and I dont think anyone (myself included) would get it

VI.  On the Frontlines!

The Battle: The Memo: The GOP’s war is already over — Trump won. The Enemy is completely freaked out over their inability to destroy Trump. If we succeed in getting Trump and his supporters to adopt LaRouche’s American System of Economics, … … we can win over the producer base of the Democratic Party and secure the nation for the rest of this century. Join the ongoing LaRouchePAC class series.  (Common Theme, not entirely accurate — the dems and the reps pretty well cemented as placing 1-2.)

just gave a thumbs up to a larouche guy handing out pamphlets

Dateline Chester, New York, by way of prolific Twitterer Daniel Burke: Campaigning with @LaRoucheOrg in Chester, NY to crush the Great Reset and prevent thermonuclear war. I do not fear thermonuclear war as much as I do

But what I want to know is … Why wasn’t either LORG or LPAC invited into this Planetary Front?

Recruitment prospect. May want to start targeting dentists?

VII.  Aussies

Australian Citizens Party and where is the money coming from?. And how does it prop into China’s propaganda so much?

VIII.  Historical Notices

NAWAPA. Dismissing 21st Century Science and Technology as source of anything.

satanic panic. Has everyone seen this? Larouche whining that not one word about Maury Terry’s Roy Radin “satanic murder plot” was spoken during the trial of his killers. “Cover-up! Buried!” Of course it wasn’t, that’s because it’s all a FANTASY concocted by Maury, a chapter in his epic BS saga

The 1988 campaign, and worth notingHow you know the LaRouchians were a cult: their “Executive Intelligence Review” corespondent looks exactly like LaRouche, down to the glasses. –his latest missives regarding Larouche some decades after leaving the cult.

And that time Larouche spoke before the Oklahoma state Senate as presidential candidate. Because?

John Warner dies — John Warner is the only Republican I ever voted for. Granted, his opponent was Lyndon LaRouche. He took principled stands against Robert Bork & Oliver North. RIP.  The election in question.   On this:  John Warner was one of the few Republicans for whom I’ve voted. In ’02, no Democrat challenged him and the alternatives were a Libertarian and one of those LaRouche followers. I figured he was tolerable enough to be the best option.  .  That election in question.  Yep — John Warner beat Nancy Spannaus twice!

AgainAgain — there are at least two others beyond Debs 1920 and Larouche 1992.  There is Peltier 2004 and Keith Judd 2012.  The latter was in the Democratic Primaries and not the General, so maybe he is dropped depending on definitions.  (This guy at least knows Judd.)

Making the way into historical fiction, how to set a scene: Nava’s narrative will be particularly nostalgic for a certain demographic of readers who came of age in the 1980s, a time when politicians believed it better to lock away those with AIDS and sequester them from public view. This was most evidenced in the creation of a Draconian California state voting proposition, whose legal language opens the novel, and was a very real measure appearing on the November, 1986 ballot and authored by notorious homophobe Lyndon LaRouche.

A fierce discussion on various presidential primary seasons mocking Sanders by comparing him to Larouche.

The question — Who is the greatest president we never had? — not getting any responses of Larouche.

IX.  “‘Attempted murder’, now honestly, what is that!? Do they give a Nobel prize for ‘attempted’ chemistry?”

Here we see Helga direct us to the defense of Larouche against the Oligarch.  And an  interesting defense to say the least.

A federal grand jury indicted LaRouche and 12 associates on credit card fraud and obstruction of justice; the charges alleged that they had attempted to defraud people of millions of dollars, including several elderly people, by borrowing money they did not intend to repay.

Borrowing money with no initial intent to pay anything back is a mental crime. You do not have to actually commit it. This is a THOUGHT crime like going to a bank to borrow money and then claiming you do not intend to pay off the debt. But this is how the law works – it is a mental thought that they prove by innuendo, circumstantial evidence, and it becomes does the jury BELIEVE it is more likely or not that there was no intent. We could lock up most of Congress and the White House using these theories. They borrow every year with no intention to pay anything back.

When you get 2 percent of the vote … Somewhere

Saturday, May 1st, 2021

I. Larouche Org Declares War on Oprah.

Cloret Carl Ferguson has a call to action to the citizens of Brattleboro.

Who holds the Oprahs, Bezos, Gates, and Soroses to account, boasting of their trillions gained in 2020 – the pandemic year – knowing their mass of wealth is built on the corpses of so many millions of people?

Reader, will you act?


Ron Wieczorek writes to his editor … a chilling vision of coming doom.

Because you didn’t listen, we are now at the brink of a third world war, as the NATO allies conduct an intensifying policy of containment and confrontation against China and Russia. Should such a war occur, it would rapidly escalate into thermonuclear extinction of civilization. Instead of geopolitics, LaRouche proposed a dialogue of cultures, and a World Land-Bridge of development corridors.

These are the stakes: Oprah must be stopped.

II. Kanye West. Bernie Sanders, Gus Hall, Pat Buchanan. DSA. Chris Christie. Trump’s finance chairman is Lyndon LaRouche. Tulsi Gabbard. Kris Kobach. Lin Wood and Krakens. “neoconservatism”. (Positively) Caitlyn Jenner. John Cox. black hammer as “Larouche / red guard Austin” thing. jd vance. Trump supporting facebook protests.

One query — Mike Gravel — did he “become a Larouchite” after his time as Senator… Or after his run for President? Important distinctions in finding meaning here. (His alliance here perenial subject, with sometimes unclear reference points.)

III. Dateline Australia

A group representing post office licensees has defended links to a fringe political party accused of racism, anti-Semitism and conspiracy theories.

Licensed Post Office Group copped bipartisan criticism at a Senate hearing on Tuesday over links to the Australian Citizens Party.

LPO Group executive director Angela Cramp said it was great to receive support from the party.

“I have no understanding of what the citizens party represents. They are citizens of Australia. They are aligned with us,” she told the hearing.

Liberal senator Sarah Henderson asked why LPO Group’s campaign to phone ministers’ offices urging for former Australia Post boss Christine Holgate to be reinstated was aided by the party.

“I am questioning why you would be working with an organisation known to be anti-Semitic, racist and also with many of its policies’ foundation in conspiracy theories,” she said.

Cramp believes Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s furious rebuke of former Australia Post boss Christine Holgate in parliament was a “calculated set up” rather than an overreaction.

Twitter reaction: party that is over 30 years old and is far different to when it first formed. So ideological change is not allowed in your world? Is any party the same now, as what it was 30 years ago?

Rebutted with: LoL Are they or are they not still affiliated with the international LaRouche Movement? And the policy of re-establishing a government bank would hurt the LPOs and their Bank@Post deal.

also out of australiaand

IV. So many memories…

Hands up who misses the “how to tell if your neighbour has been brainwashed about Lyndon LaRouche” page?

Remember the LaRouche crackpots staked out at the Tax Assessor’s office on Lake Front?

What’s the most awkward date y’all ever been on?

say da This one time I came up on a guy handbilling near a community board meeting. Another dude was screaming at him calling him a communist. I told mad guy to fuck off and go back inside. It turned out guy #1 was a fascist with the Lyndon Larouche cult. Told him to fuck off too.

Deleted: In my college years, being curious about politics, I got a LaRouche book. I tried to read it. I considered myself a reasonably informed and intelligent person. I could not for the life of me figure out what the movement was about.

I went back and started reading about it the other day and, same

heh. No joke, would consider it. such fond memories of arguing w/LaRouchie who hung out outside my bank on Vermont Ave in Los Feliz & insisted Bertrand Russell wanted nuclear war; I’d say “no he’s *describing* it cuz he’s against it” and we’d just repeat ourselves until I got tired

gonna lie, I kinda miss seeing these goofs around, from 2001-2016 they were everywhere in L.A., Philly, NYC

Say Da I remember the Lindon LaRouche people walking with signs of Obama wearing a Hitler Moustache calling him a Nazi in 2009 as I was driving, my wife started yelling at them for the fascists they were.

Oh yeah – There were LaRouchites, pushing that garbage, outside my local post office in 2009.

wish Lyndon LaRouche was still around terrorizing northern Virginia

There was a LaRouche acolyte who used to come hand out pamphlets and wear sandwich boards outside Yeshiva University. He was always mostly cordial, which struck me as incredibly odd for a Holocaust denier.

Really? Everyone finally found out about Gazi and LaRouche. The other weird-ass founders of orgs people tried to recruit me into in 2016 will become memes soon enough

Point: A big reason I never even flirted with 9/11Truth was that by 9/13, LaRouche ppl were on campus insisting it was an inside job bc only US military pilots would know how to disable transponders & navigate expertly through NYC to hit those targets. Their certainty, just 2 days later, based on such clearly wrong assumptions pretty much innoculated me.

Counterpoint: What was your introduction into the “Conspiracy Life”? 9/11 did it for me.. but I used to read/listen to my dad read Lyndon LaRouche when I was a little kid. He used to get a newsletter, and tell me all the good conspiracy sItories. #LaRouche #GoodDadMemories

hm. such fond memories of arguing w/LaRouchie who hung out outside my bank on Vermont Ave in Los Feliz & insisted Bertrand Russell wanted nuclear war; I’d say “no he’s *describing* it cuz he’s against it” and we’d just repeat ourselves until I got tired

ok. Boyle talking about Carl Schmitt and Leo Strauss i feel like I’m 15 years ago, in the streets of Washington, spreading Lyndon Larouche’s “Children of Satan” pamphlet.

I once wasted an hour on the LaRouche drones. Never again. 😂❤️

I nearly missed a flight out of Houston Hobby (i.e., cops offered me option to return my husband in the bar or be detained) in the early 80s for picking a fight with Lyndon LaRouche followers.

I also ran into LaRouche folks at a table in front of City Hall in Monterey, CA about 4 yrs ago. They remain crazy as ever. (No police intervention was needed that time

and… i went to a cadem convention in college. grim affair. however there was a literal choir of larouchies sing-protesting outside

V. LORG makes friends and influences people.

Bunch of lies! They have been against the green movement because it was the late prince Phillip who wrote it not AOC. The eat babies comment was to mute AOC! Not a real comment, but a distraction to green polices that will limit the relative potential of all humans. Go be Amish

What you’re dealing with in this situation, is a victim of mass-brainwashing by the U.S. media, an individual who has taken his opinion from a mass media.

Sure. That time LaRouche wrote the introduction to a book collaborating with an Argentine colonel (guess what side) wherein the argument is made against victims of torture seeking justice in US courts

Fishing for Larouche recruits… Q Assist. Is the Larouche Organization trying for qanoners by way of subterfuge now?

Intrigued by this: Breitbart promotes Newton trap against Science and hypothesis! Lyndon LaRouche is correct about British Agent Newton, which suggests Breitbart is mirroring a Larouche narratve, I google what it is Breitbart has on Newton… Oh, chiding some collegiate reframing of Newton’s “white privilege”. Other bits of names dropping conspiracies… Personally, I can never recall if Nicholas de CUSA is on the friend, foe, or moved from one to the other list.

So it is… Larouche is like a kitsch American gift store retailing all the wares of European thought in distorted and warped forms. Trotskyist critiques of the Soviet Union become theories about how the Soviet Union was created by MI6 and Financial Capital tied to City of London etc If I had spent years in the American SWP I’d write books about how Trotsky was a British agent too. Truth be told, if intelligence operatives weren’t involved in organisations like the SWP, what were they doing with their budgets? Those organisations are all shit for class struggle too. I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire western left is Larouche-lite compromised today.U

Daniel Burke sees someone quoting Confucius and Mao, reaches out. As the old Millennials give way to the next “Youth Movement” the big push happening now, the question is — Is there a mass of Zoomer Maoists for the taking?

Mike Billington does McDuff Lives and garners a This guy really likes China.

Curious response to Schlanger : I am Jewish and even I can see the manipulation.

Meantime, over in lpac-land, Putin, like Trump, RULES. Biden sucks; Giuliani rules.

In as much as politicos are ever discussed, if they want to deal with Matt Gaetz, they can possibly hit hard the medical marijuana angle even if before you get there you are staring at Roger Stone. Probably best to change topics to Mozart and Trains — even though the latter topic is Biden – Buttigieg complicated.

A sign of revulsion from he target market on China.

VI. Electoral Digging.

HEY! is it acceptable to put a Lyndon LaRouche bumper sticker on my car?

Digging into voting data as to the Democratic nomination race in Arkansas 2000 and 2012. See here a dissection of Larouche’s 1984 Presidential vote — and this map spotlighting his best counties where he cracked 2 percent.


Noted, this accused Mondale in ads of being ”an agent of Soviet influence” controlled by a Swiss-dominated ”international grain cartel.”
. Watching the Mondale bahing clip again, I notic that even though I had been placing that “Swiss Grain Cartel”, he never mentions Swiss. I think I have been spreading a falsehood, picked up by multiple figures online, including “mill”…

… Who now also has a pretty awesome map for third party winners by candidate in the 1988 election.

Forgotten merchandise.

I miss Lyndon LaRouche pasting a Hitler ‘stache on the incumbent and calling it a presidential campaign.

Interesting quotes from Lyndon, suggesting a heretofore unknown love of Presidents Garfield and Mckinnley, and… a similar phrase as that used by  Jesse Jackson at the 2000 DNC Convention.

Matthew Yglesias gives out a Roschach Test.


VII.  The Mass Strike is elsewhere.

Dateline somewhere or other: Seeing LaRouche people outside the post office is so surreal dude

Daniel Burke fights it out in Peapack, New Jersey … And thermonuclear war never had a chance!  (Had De har)

The hordes gather for an alternate “Mars Day”, because ” Earth Day — Feh”.  The Bullhorn Revolution carries.

Date line East coast:  Does setting up your LaRouche movement stand in front of the post office count as “touching grass”?

AND… There’s this Larouche freak who angrily comments on every lecture uploaded to Robert Brandom’s youtube channel. LORG or LPAC?

VIII.  Mapping disinformation

Commented around here.  Matthew Sweet looks at another Russia TV conduit.  And here if you want to pay for it is a dash of a Podcast feature.

IX. Tarpley.

Let the record show, for those observing the machinations of Webster Tarpley and trying to find a conspiratorial plot — under the tutelage of the Larouche movement, he defended Bill Clinton from a vast right wing conspiracy beginning at least in 1994, opposed Obama!a and supported Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary (wrote an anti-Obama book and for a time maintained an anti Obama positioning more consistently than Larouche –  they briefly explored the dark side in December 2008 — but managed to slide into the anti Republican positioning with a new anti Romney book in 2012 which merged to an echo of Democratic politics by the end of the Obama years.  (I am not sure where his pro Putin, exemplified by his ” Putin for Nobel Peace Prize” rally — moved off the table.)

Another blast from the past: Recall Lyndon Larouche’s female African American running mate 4 U.S. president, saying on a TV show, paraphrasing..”Populism is the way to go”. Her clothing was not typical 4 U.S. politician.. Who is that?

Prince Philip, Ramsey Clark … Dead

Saturday, April 10th, 2021

The entire electoral success list of Australia’s Larouche Movement.

The LaRouche Movement has had an interesting yet not very influential history in Australian politics. They actually won Joh Bjlelke-Peterson’s seat in the Queensland Parliament at a by-election following his retirement!  However, that was their only electoral success and they’ve basically been relegated to public access TV and local newspaper appearances since.

And now?

Former Queensland National Party member for Barambah Trevor Perrett charged with indecent treatment of a young girl.

His parliamentary career began in 1988 when he won the seat of Barambah as an independent with support from the far-right Citizens Electoral Council.

Oh the LaRouche liker guy

Within months, he joined the National Party and held office for a decade before he lost his seat to a One Nation candidate.

II.  Pieces of puzzle:  the Larouche — Jones matchup

He’s responsible!  Mr. Alex Jones and I used to be friends and spoke back and fourth on a personal dialogue. He’s even thanked before many times. I got him to let Lyndon LaRouche on his show back several years ago.
Huh.  At the time, the series of Larouche interviews were prefaced with one with Jeffrey Steinberg, who appeared alongside Sean Stone.  They strongly suggested Sean Stone was responsible for getting them in touch with Larouche.  But apparently Karl Ilonummi did it.  Or, “allowed it” — whatever that means.
Alex Jones moved on to having Mike Gravel on, where they engaged in fawning over the man … though Jones never does square the pro China sentiment moving forward into the Trump era.
Notewothy for Gravel.

As for William Binney.

III.  Have to address eventually because it is a constant in Twitter scans.

“Lengthy Mike Anderson” has a bee in his bonnet against claims of political correctness / woke ideology / social justice warrior / “cancel culture”,  (See here) (seeming to argue (and if someone considers this as putting up strawmen, right back atcha) a straight line between an essay published by Lyndon Larouche and this Family Guy clip — or, to the point, that Seth MacFarlane is a Lyndon Larouche dupe.  The responses to his Twitter hobby range from adequate to inadequate in terms of refuting him (and a wide range of gradations between these two poles), but he will regard them all as beyond the pale… Fixed position as he has.

For the great question, “Who are THEY?”,  emphasis staring down a “they” — I dunno… Assholes?

Ironic rebuttal to a parcel of the argument.

Hm… ” The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts. While the stupid ones are full of confidence.” – Charles Bukowski

To be sure, though, I am sure and lack any doubt that THIS

I think LaRouche has Badiou beat at the pass at least with Being and Event; but the interaction with the infinite in Immanence of Truths seems to level the playing field somewhat. Am waiting for Reinhard’s translation to tally the full bout

is pure crap.

IV.  LORG!  LPAC!  The Battle Rages…

local news coverage showing LORG taking it to the LPAC stronghold.    (Where they sell a backs history centered on NASA and space weaponry).

BURN! Is this Trump Political Action Committee? 🤣

It’s seen with Kesha Rogers gushing over Trump’s cpac speech as viewed on nrwsmax.

The word is not wholly out as we see those fellow refer to “the Schiller Institute of the Larouche PAC”.

LPAC may be having an identity crisis, as evidenced by the dropping of this biblical passage on a tweet linking to a nuclear power article — And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. —Genesis 1:28 —  subsequently deleted — Is LPAC unsure about the Christian market?  (They are Certain on the Trump repeater role.)

John McCarthy takes on LORG’s anti China stance.  He deploys the Big Insult — –  Comparisons with The Epoch TimesThis kooky article sounds like it belongs in the pages of Falun Gong Show rag The Epoch Times not on a site that pretends to represent LaRouche.  The Epoch Times being a Trump butt kissing paper.

Accusation from lorger to lpac of Stalinism, complete with a phrase I (roughly) used — ” Larouchism just for one country”.  (Lorg evidentally more true to Larouche’s Trotskyist roots.)  See also the demand to.”say her name” (Helga) and the plea Ben, why are you pretending to be the LaRouche’s Movement without Helga?  

Speaking of history down the memory hole: Chatted with some Larocuheites by my work. They have never read Dialectical Economics, nor did they know about LaRouche’s days as an SWP member. They did tell me that Marx was an agent of the British Empire though.

On LORG’s part… I don’t get it.  Unidentifiable bald old white guy’s (closest I can make out is Lyndon Johnson — which would be pretty darned anachronistic… Prince Philips, maybe?) rib-cage is Nazi?  I guess this is the message they are going with, suggesting LPAC may just win. 

Iran’s Press TV consults Richard Black.

V.  The passing of a royal brings out a bit…

of a this thing here… In 1998, when I worked for @algore, Lyndon LaRouche pamphlets proclaimed that Gore was engaged in Bond villain-style global conspiracy to rule the world with Prince Philip. It was not, to my knowledge, true. Still, I thought the Prince would rather like the idea.

The passing of Ramsey Clark leaves me wondering how deep in an obituary the name of the unpopular cause Larouche will drop.   Appears in the New York Times, one in a list of unpopulars.  See too Washington Post.

Conservatives came to loathe Clark, but support for him also began to erode among left-leaning activists as he made a habit of defending a rogues’ gallery of accused terrorists and war criminals.

I wish he didn’t do some of these things,” Leslie Cagan, a peace activist, said of Clark in a 2005 interview with the New York Observer. “He is one of the few public well-known leftists in this country, and it does make our work harder sometimes.”

His client list included political extremist Lyndon LaRouche; several followers of the Branch Davidian cult leader David Koresh; former Black Panther Mumia Abu-Jamal, sentenced to death row for killing a Philadelphia police officer; and Lori Berenson, an American who was imprisoned in Peru for aiding a Marxist revolutionary group.

Mumia probably leaves “the Left” supporting him — not sure how to rate his backing of the North Korean dictatorship as opposed to America’s sham democracy.   Though we see round about some tweets suggestions on how “making it harder for us” may be the point,  with some Leftwing denunciations on twitter, following that analysis from that time period when Clark would appear on Democracy Now all the time and lobbying for Bush’s Impeachment at Bush’s high mark in public approval.

Clark also defended Slobodan Milosevic, the former president of former Serbia and Yugoslavia, who died while being tried for genocide by a United Nations tribunal at The Hague; Elizaphan Ntakirutimana, a Rwandan pastor who was found guilty of engineering a massacre of ethnic Tutsis inside his church; and Karl Linnas, an elderly former commander of a Nazi concentration camp. … Saddam Hussein.

For LORG’s part it gives Helga the evangelical opportunity to dump the exonerate Larry he message to “heavy hitter” Ramsey Clark Memorializing Twitterers — heavy hitters who appear to delete the message almost instantaneous!y.  There is some hidden history in that Clark had prior been an enemy Larouche saw as out to get him.

VI.   Larouche references are in vogue in reference to news  on the Trump fundraising tactics.  

One issue that keeps popping up. Individuals who are in prison can still run for President of the United States. It’s only happened twice. Most recently was Lyndon LaRouche.

Leonard Peltier was on the ballot for President in 2004 and –though he dropped out before the election — vice president (position under the same legal restrictions) in 2020.  (And some states do have the prohibition against felons running).

Still, neither Debs nor Peltier had Verdi tuning on their platform.

(Um.  Was Roger Stone allied with Larouche back then?  No.  Was with Trump, though.)

VII.  Memories

One. I remember reading the Larouchies’ The New Federalist paper back in college. Used them as drop cloths for room painting as there were stacks of em left for free. The Q

Deleted: I swear I know of that guy. There was a house at 185th and Meridian that used to have all kinds of Lyndon Larouche stuff up in the windows. Obama in clown makeup and stuff.u

I used to enjoy getting into arguments with LaRouche idiots at the bus stop on 1st and Pine. That shit was hilarious. This was like 15-20 years ago

The Ave… you had to worry about everyone there. If it wasn’t the Larouchies, it was Hari Krishnas or Scientologists.

and Oh I so remember, this would have been about 1982, when the LaRouche people sent their crazy to a friend of mine who was a delegate to the state Dem convention. It included that Liz was a drug dealer. We all laughed.

Back in the 90s, I accidentally got on the mailing list for his newsletter. (note to self: never sign petitions)

heh. my grandpa telling an extremely boring story about the Socialist Workers Party
“Yeah anyway only this one guy, Lyndon, was making any sense. That was before I really knew who Lyndon LaRouche was, though”
Wait what come again

and when he died me and mdl spent a full week getting high and watching his speeches on youtube lmfao
always got a laugh seeing these guys with their booths outside of gun shows

and. I swear I know of that guy. There was a house at 185th and Meridian that used to have all kinds of Lyndon Larouche stuff up in the windows. Obama in clown makeup and stuff.

I used to enjoy getting into arguments with LaRouche idiots at the bus stop on 1st and Pine. That shit was hilarious. This was like 15-20 years ago

Blam!  when I was 15 a lyndon larouche acolyte cornered me in a cafe I worked at and pelted me with goldbug pamphlets — a single traumatic event that cost me likely 100k+ in btc appreciation

ba de dum. If you were a weird college student in the 2000s, your main options were Lyndon LaRouche, Bob Avakian, and improv theater. Two of those were actual cults, and the other one had some pretty interesting ideas about Maoism.

and soIs it wrong that I kinda miss LaRouchies? In college I would just get high and read about how we need to cancel HG Wells because Facebook is his fault.

Heh heh. Once, on a whim, I wrote “Lyndon LaRouche Rules” on a psychology paper before I turned it in. When I got it back, the teacher had noted (in red ink, mind you), “You gotta be kidding.” She totally earned my respect that day.
Interesting time reference perspective.  His followers are best known for standing in airport terminals, wearing ”Feed Jane Fonda to the Whales” buttons and selling magazines about laser beam weapons and nuclear energy.

Say it again. I remember watching and laughing at LaRouche’s 30 prime time infomercials. When people would try to give me political literature on the street, I would say “I’m sorry, but my leader, Lyndon LaRouche, doesn’t want me to accept that.” Oh to be that young again…

(Note: includes video of Alex Jones and Mike Gravel fawning over Larouche, though Jones never does square the pro China sentiment moving forward into the Trump era. Notewothy for GravelGravel.

And. I had a friend and his brother who dropped off the face of the Earth to go to Chicago to live with 8 other people in some apartment working for LaRouche. It was so fucking bizarre.

Debates!  When I was in grad school in Baltimore in the 1980s the Maoists, the Trotskyites and the Lyndon Larouche crowd used to scream at each other across the street while handing out leaflets. Good times.

and There was a local group here that was very pro-Trump and promoted themselves for a long time in front of my local post office, they’re not around anymore and fizzled out when he died but I assume some of them are still around

Yeah we used to have a very active LaRouche chapter in Seattle during the Obama years with the “Obama Hitler” poster, showing up to all the festivals and stuff. I feel like I hadn’t seen them around for a few years even pre-Covid tho.

zoom in on I was chased down the road by LaRouchies when I was working with United Farm Workers. LaRouchies are fignewton insane. They don’t have the right to define anything, let alone U.S. political discourse

The Oklahoma Panhandle is Larouche Land. In every Presidential primary, the Oklahoma panhandle says “watch us vote disproportionately for random candidates”. Klobuchar, Booker, O’Malley, Edwards, Sharpton, LaRouche in Dem primaries. But not just ancestral Dems–Ben Carson, Ron Paul, Alan Keyes, too.

The Grateful Dead at Columbia, as too… will be interested in that one of my clearest memories of Ferris Booth was attending a mayoral debate in which the “Labor Committee” (NCLC: Larouchies, still kind of on the left) really viciously attacked the Communist Party, resulting in a full scale brawl.

The perils of what awaits Andrew Yang campaign. A long time ago, a bunch of white people were holding up Lyndon Larouche signs at the farmers market. Same energy.

The only time I have seen anyone mention LaRouche irl have been elderly black women. No idea what this means

   A long time ago, a bunch of white people were holding up Lyndon Larouche signs at the farmers market. Same energy. 

I rember when I was a kid we never heard about Lyndon LaRouche running for president. The press used to ignore the crackpots. Perhaps we really are returning to normal.

Right. For those old enough to remember, this is a little like encountering a band of Lyndon Larouche supporters out in a college quad, seeing a lot of them and how vocal they were, and worrying Larouche would get elected president.

What’s this have to do with Libertarianism?. I always think of the ’80s. My girlfriend and I getting way too high and falling asleep, only to awaken to a infomercial of Lyndon LaRouche. Talk about operation warped speed! It was weirder than this

Say there.  At 17, I had an argument with a bunch of Larouchians outside a Post Office who insisted that Congress should pass a Law revoking the 2nd Law of Thermo otherwise the Universe would end in heat death and everyone knows that’s impossible.

Parenting.  Then there was the Obama w/a Hitler mustache sign incident [LaRouche camp.] & we got into a verbal altercation. I’m my father’s daughter.

When?  I was a silly Trot in my early twenties and mostly considered LaRouche a quack at the time, but felt a bit of a pull from some of the overlap. Lol

Hum. The Schiller Institute is a LaRouche “think tank” – extremely fringe, frequently engaging in cult-like behavior, and for some strange reason rather active in Denmark in the early 2000s (which is why I know of them).

VIII.  Current Day

Skipping historical personal voting from Socialist Workers Party to Larouche when he becomes a “Democrat”, with one curious throw to Cox against Harding.  So… Historical Trotskyist turned Larouchite?

(I think this is a joke about Joe Manchin, Democratic Senator from West Virginia, but gets confused in a typo.)Prior Larouche groupings approved of Unger’s anti Bush book in a manner they don’t his anti-Trump book, never mind some Larouche citing for Trump’s Russia dealings.

Qanon is definitely designed to be magnet for the disaffected left, radicalized by repetition on social media , LaRouche -Trotskyist &Pro-Putin has been involved with anti-democracy support for RW authoritarianism narratives and agenda since the 70’s

Wait. Doesn’t The Larouche Movement get any credit?
Indeed, the other attack on the law—popularized by Sarah Palin’s false claim that it would lead to “death panels”—was based on Orszag’s IPAB and an amendment written by Republican Senator Johnny Isakson of Georgia, who pushed allowing Medicare to pay for counseling beneficiaries who wanted to write end-of-life directives or living wills.

Finding Larouche debris amongst the Capitol Hill rioting.

Dateline Sweden. Swedish tiktok teens are going wild for Lyndon Larouche Thought

So when you’re not drinking you deal with your anxiety and various emotions by punching the guy handing out Lyndon LaRouche pamphlets on the corner, right? I mean, I did that drunk but it is really helping me get through some things.

The case of William Jones. The meeting will no doubt set the stage for relations moving forward. President Biden, unlike the former Donald Trump administration, said that he wanted to work together with China on issues that were “in America’s interest.” At this point, not much more can be expected, given the build-up of tensions between the two countries over the last several years.  Hey.  You know who else is advocating easing America’s China posture?  Henry Kissinger, and… Hearty praise from him.  Maybe they can team up?

LORG has wind against its front in American public opinion lpac wants to avoid.

Markel as the New Larouche .

Lyndon LaRouche paved the way for Meghan Markle. he is the real hero

Lyndon ran so Meghan could flyL

Lyndon codified pitch so Markle could sing

Markle is 100% tuned for Verdi pitch

oprahs not asking her what her musical freq of choice is. (Eye logo)

I haven’t seen the interview, but if she’s saying the right things about Aristotelianism, she has my support.

Princess Diane Death dust.  Rehashing the fight at the Princess Di death.

IX.  While everyone ponders the question of the possible coming Andrew Yang mayorialship — New York City — one candidate falls through the cracks.  Meet Jackson Rip Holmes, and a list of people he has met.

On September 8, 2016, an invited guest at former Senator Bob Graham’s (he allowed me  photo) Commemoration Honoring the victims of the 9/11/2001 attack on our country, I learned from other guests that our country has been plagued by inside jobs dating back to the Vietnam War (non-existent Gulf of Tonkin Incident) and beyond, occurring worldwide (Boston Marathon, London metro attack, Chechen attack in Russia 1999, Uyghur Tiananmen Square attack, China).  This launched my study of extraterrestrials, and I have had the honor of connecting with: 1) Roger Stone, friend of President Trump (he allowed me a photo), 2) former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer, 3) Jeffrey Steinberg, of the Lyndon LaRouche PAC, and 4) John Lear, who was one of two people who exposed Area 51.

X.  History’s Mysteries

I had to Google “Mouse Crap Revolution”. The only thing it brings you to is a chapter at Laoucheplanet. Which I guess is why Helga needs to get something else down on it.

Perhaps the need to dig up Columbia University era Larouche lore comes from such kicking up of dust as this here.  (Curious implication that the Larry goes’ biggest foe / competition of the time was The Grateful Dead.)

Theory of the day:  Is it possible that Larouche invented a grandiose theory of British intelligence manipulating American politics to cover for the embarrassment of having ever been involved in the SWP?

An ultimate Rebuttal.

 Moreso.  The problem with Larouche is his lack of evidence. He’d have explained the origin of the cosmos ex nihilo from a British MI6 agent’s asshole if he were able. Certainly intelligence has played a part, but it is a uniquely yank fantasy to view World History as a James Bond film.

Illinois 1986 Perennial reference point for current electoral events.  Fun map!

In 2004, they were big Kerry boosters, as they were also disparaging of Gore as face of Green Fascism .  Now, view him as pushing that “Green New deal”.

To their credit, I haven’t seen that Biden Hitler merchandise from them.  Is there a market for such?

More history.

Tangentially connected to my last tweets, as I found it during the same research, but apparently Louis Farrakhan invited Lyndon LaRouche (?) to the 1996 National African American Leadership Summit. It went about as well as one might expect.

If you say so… Well worth pondering the influence this fellow Anton Chaitkin had on the Larouche narrative which invariably takes some useful information and somehow turns it into a ritual scapegoating of the British, no matter how objectively culpable Jews may be. He claims to be a founder.

Skip to here with that perspective in mind.

The Church of the Subgenius chimes in with a…

Their sleaziness and hypocrisy is incredible! Their press release brags about how they interviewed “America’s number one political prisoner in his jail cell.” But they wisely don’t say WHO that political prisoner might be. One might conclude they meant Leonard Peltier. No. If you ask, it turns out they’re talking about Lyndon LaRouche!

XI.  (Low) Arts and Entertainment.

Simpsons reference alley oop.


Star Trek.  The TNG crew have the same taste in culture as Lyndon LaRouche supporters. It’s his same very specific version of “Western Canon”. Religion may no longer exist in the 24th Century, but you’d think someone would enjoy a nice klezmer or a slice of kugel.  Interesting to note, though, the classic rock listener of Zefran Cochrane in First Contact (but then again he is depicted as an uncultured wino, whereas the Enterprise is the best and brightest) and The Beastie Boys are still played in the future in the reboot.

Alien Vs Predator.  Trubetskoi’s Romano-Germanic conspiracy vs LaRouche’s Anglo-Dutch conspiracy … folks,  (cue movie poster). (Not too far off.)
Hockey coverage by way of Mike Meyers.
XII.  That ” gatekeeper at each higher level” conspiracy theory theme.  You sell this and you can bring some wanna be elitists by sheer flattery.  The flaw is that the seller of such merchandise, by their own logic, can be deemed as just More controlled opposition, a guru sitting at the 50th level… And on one goes,  Searching for a Grand Unified Theory and ” secret history”…. 
A sort of point of agreement, though stuck on the A45th level:  See dee. I’m like 50% sure he was an op.
like not he himself, but the “movement.”
Entertaining enough, with bubbles of worthwhile nuggets of natterings.  So here goes with giant chunks.

All famous people are there to misdirect you. ALL OF THEM. They didn’t accidentally get famous. They don’t accidentally get on TV or in movies or in books or on CDs or on the internet. And they certainly don’t earn their way into these positions, as is now clear.

So how did they get there? Why do you have to see them and hear them all the time? Why do you know who they are? Because they were placed there. They were chosen to fill that position, and they were chosen in order to misdirect you from the truth.

You will say, “C’mon, that can’t be true. All of them? I mean, they disagree with each other. How can they all be placed there?”
Look at it this way: say you wanted to control everyone in the world. Well people are at different levels. They have different interests and beliefs and levels of intelligence. So if you want to control everyone you have to place your guys at all these levels, all possible paths
If you are a football coach setting up a defense, you don’t put all your tacklers in the middle of the field, or on one side. You spread them out. You want to block all paths to the goal.
You have to defend against the run and the pass, the short ball and the long ball.

It is the same with government. If you want to govern people, you have to keep them on the path you have chosen for them. That is how the governors understand government.

You may think government is about keeping people employed and building highways and educating children, but it isn’t. It is about “governing” them. Moving them around at will.
Think of a governess. She keeps the kids out of trouble and molds them into the sort of adults her employer or her society requires. Same thing with the governors. They keep you from troubling them and mold you into someone who can make them richer.

With that goal in mind, the last thing the governors want is “enlightened” people or “self-actualized” people. Those people might make money for themselves, think for themselves, and govern themselves. People like that make very poor clients. People like that are just trouble.
Since people take many different paths, the governors have to place their blockers and tacklers everywhere.
They have to have blockers for smart people and dumb people, lazy people and ambitious people, caring people and uncaring people, progressive people and conservative people, men and women, young and old.

they have to have blockers and tacklers up and down the field, on the fifty-yard line as well as on the five-yard line. If you get past one line of tacklers, they have to have another line ready for you.
To switch the visualization, no matter how high up the mountain you climb, they have to have some guru on a goat-ledge positioned there to shunt you off on the wrong path.  […]

Just imagine the total market for domestic arms sales in the past five years. It boggles the mind. Which means the government is probably playing both sides, as usual.

So make a list of all the famous people selling both sides of this argument. No, really. Write down all the people you love to hate who are on the other side. Then write down all the people that you think are on your side.
Then ask yourself, “Are any of them speaking any sense?” Or are they all promoting this escalation one way or the other? This is how it goes, on all topics
Lyndon LaRouche was right about a lot of things, and he was even right about the “out there” stuff, like the government pushing drugs, laundering money, fluoride, the financial meltdown, pedophilia, and so on. So I went back and studied his writings across the board.
Turns out Lyndon LaRouche was just a higher-level guru, placed fairly far up the mountain to misdirect the most avant of the avant garde conspiracy theorists. He was a Marxist until he was almost 60, which of course I saw as a red flag.
It should now be clear that Marxism was never anything else but a disguised replacement for Republicanism, created to appeal to the idealistic youth of the West who were disenchanted with their own failed institutions.
Socialism was dressed from the beginning to look like a fairer sister of Democracy/Republicanism, but it was actually a crone in poor make-up. It was purposely created to break down immediately into fascism, the way plastic is now made to break down when exposed to light.
Marxism borrowed the egalitarian platitudes of Republicanism, and even outdid it in its flattering of the lower classes; but the theorists conveniently left out any of the hard facts of government, like constitutions or courts or human nature.
By resting the whole theory on the workers, Marx and his buddies knowingly built their edifice.
Though top-down governance is often or usually predatory, bottom-up governance is simply a contradiction in terms. You are just as likely to successfully run a country from workers’ cooperatives as you are to run your house from the kids’ bedroom.
I am all in favor of trade unions and worker-owned companies; but at the same time I would not like to see a co-op of Walmart, McDonald’s, and USPS employees running the country. While the system we have doesn’t put the best people at the top, Marxism wouldn’t either.
But there were many other red flags with LaRouche, including his promotion of Leibniz, Abe Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy, NAWAPA, SDI, and so on. LaRouche was a gatekeeper like Chomsky, placed pretty far down the road to catch those who got too far ahead.
Like Chomsky, LaRouche was instructed to admit to a large percentage of US and British crimes, to appeal to progressives and good researchers who had already discovered them. And also like Chomsky, LaRouche was there to prevent deeper truths from being discovered.
Ironically, perhaps, LaRouche was—in most ways—positioned further up the mountain than Chomsky. LaRouche could admit to 911 where Chomsky couldn’t. LaRouche could talk about 𝘰𝘶𝘵𝘳𝘦 crimes that wouldn’t appeal to Chomsky’s audience.
And they were instructed to blow a different smoke regarding Kennedy. Chomsky pretended to be above the whole discussion, but LaRouche was instructed to tell a new variant of the Oliver Stone story, intellectualizing it with the Yalta system and a new player, Mortimer Bloomfield.
You will say I am implying that SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) or parts of it were infiltrated by the government, but LaRouche himself tells us that.
His NCLC was originally a faction of SDS, and although If you can accept what he says—that other New Left organizations were dominated by these government think-tanks and foundations—why not his NCLC?
LaRouche’s organization has all the earmarks of late 1960’s government programs, including brainwashing, violence, cultism, and created confusion, so why not ask the question?
LaRouche writes in his autobiography that in 1971 the NCLC formed ‘intelligence units’, and the following year started training members in paramilitary tactics.” Intelligence units? Does that sound like the language of a Marxist professor, or of a CIA agent?
So if he is an agent, why did they later throw him in jail? Are you sure they did? Several famous people you thought were in jail probably never were, including Ezra Pound and Charles Manson. LaRouche’s alleged time in jail simply glosses up his resume even more.
Notice that LaRouche has always been encouraging confrontation. In the early years we are told his followers beat their Marxist foes with pipes and bats. I think it is just another planted story, but the form of the story is crucial.
They want you to think there is a lot of political violence going on, even though there isn’t; just as now they want you to think there are mass murders every month, although there aren’t.
The billionaires love a manufactured world of fear and chaos, because scared people are easier to control.
None of the articles on LaRouche over the years made any sense, because if LaRouche really were what the articles were claiming—a crazy cultist out to defame America and England—why were they writing about him? Why would the mainstream give someone like that the publicity?
Remember, LaRouche was right about some things, and one of the things he was right about was the CIA’s total control of the press. We didn’t need him to tell us that, since we got proof of it from the Senate hearings in the late 1970’s (see the Church Committee hearings).
Well, given that, why would this controlled press want to publicize LaRouche at all? Why not just ignore him completely? That’s what they do to people they really wish to bury.
So how far back does this rule go, you will ask. Is every famous person in history a plant, or just the living ones? We can take the rule back at least to the Civil War, but the further back we go the more exceptions there will be.
But 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗳𝗮𝗺𝗼𝘂𝘀 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗶𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗺𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗹𝘆 should immediately fall into your bag and ring a bell.
I saw Alan Watts being promoted in strange ways in the film “Her” recently, and had I not already known he was an agent, I would have been alerted to him in that way.
Going further back, we see that Walt Whitman was being promoted in the film Kill Your Darlings. This was one of the red flags that outed him for me.
Since the broad control of media didn’t take effect until recently, there will no doubt be many exceptions to the rule even in the late 19th century and early 20th century. There may be some very few exceptions still.
But don’t make the mistake of assuming that just because you have gone back before 1947 that the control no longer exists. It was less perfect and less broad, but it has existed for many many centuries.

the big Daniel Burke / Jack Posobeic twitter splat

Monday, March 1st, 2021

Daniel Burke throwing it down, calling out famed Internet twitterer alt right adjacent guy I have never heard of Jack Posobeic … for claim of the Trump legacy… Or maybe fighting him on behalf of the integrity of the government of China… these them fighting words
Jack Posobiec wants you to think that Davos is a city in China.
Oh wow. How can Jack Posobeic tecover from this assault on … Boogeyman political reference points? Well…
Is he playing dumb, or does he really not understand the implication?
I don’t even know what this means
Wow. Daniel Burke could not in a million years have expected that response. Is it a zinger? Is it a slap? What exactly is it? Burke will have to work that out hisownself.
The rabble jump all over the place.
I heard Lyndon LaRouche is actually Q
Imagine thinking this is a sick burn or that it even makes sense. Whoops.
Imagine tweeting this thinking it was clever
It’s not a sick burn if you have to explain it bruh

Holy cow! Taking Burke’s side, if only by convenience: No way @JackPosobiec wants his audience to start thinking about anything at all, as his entire grift is reliant on his appeal to the unthinking.
I doubt he cares one whit about Larouche politics but tgey will take thwm where theycan.
If you truly believe this, you’re quite ignorant.
I’ve been following @JackPosobiec for over a year now and he never suggested such a thing. Furthermore, I know better than to think Davos is in China.
Lol, no. He has said multiple times it’s in Switzerland and it’s the place that hosts the World Economic Forum Face with rolling eyes
What it looks like When u are trying u best to discredit an actual journalist because he exposes the truth u & the rest of the MSM have been trying to cover for-for yrs. BC for some reason from ur est tower u all still think we believe or even care what u are pushing! #MAGA
Explain that?????
Huh? Don’t get this.
LaRouchers are still around?
And this idiot is spreading misleading rhetoric. Typical douche bag politician. Can’t stand on his own merits and beliefs but needs to perform character attacks. Tear someone else down to make themselves look better. Hey Danny boy (emphasis on BOY) it ain’t working.
Putting “double” agents to shame with all that agent-ing
Jack Posobiec is a very successful political real estate agent. He lives rent free in every loser’s head. Jack is MY kind of agent.

Posobiec tosses The classic “if they’te all at me, i must be doing something right” line.
Mueller tried to call me a Russian agent
LaRouchers call me an anti-China Soros agent
Far-right calls me a Mossad agent
CNN calls me a smear agent
Neocons call me a chaos agent
All for just having my own opinions

And one more note Lyndon Larouche supporters are probably the only people that accuse conservatives of supporting George Soros.

II. What is William Jones’s title?
Wait. Former???
William Jones is a Washington political analyst, former Executive Intelligence Review White House correspondent and a non-resident fellow of the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies.
Compare it to here meaning he was and now is again?

III. Events are moving fast in the big Larouchw Civil War.
LPAC asserts its founder.
And Maybe this is why Helga hates pacs.

Cometh LORG’s cease and desist issuance on LPAC. Thrown at lpac tweets promoting links that commit the crime of …emphasizes British evil over Chinese benevolence.
LORG partisans cheer. About time. Lyn talked about a Gideon’s army, and we’ve become it.
Wonderful! Let us now get on with realizing the great potential for all of mankind that Lyndon’s life was committed to fulfilling.

So this is the official logo of tge larouche organiztion now?
LPAC partisans jump in: The only question I have for Helga is “I hope you didn’t sell out for cheap Hunter Biden got a billion”…lol

The final caller of the lorg webcast comes in with the “The Percy Shelly /Larouche paradigm will guide us against the diabolical lpac machinations” line, with the Lorger bursting forth on just what will defeat lpac and uphold Percy Shelley Larouche: a 150 volume collected works of Lyndon Larouche to be placed next to the slimmer offerings of Shelly, as too — the building of the Larouche Landbridge visible from Mars, or … Let’s see lpac compete with that!

And this is all good and well, but what is to be done about other entities that use the “Larouche” moniker? (And to avoid all confusion, you have to move on them and also prominent motorcycle clubs.

IV. The most successful vote getting Larouche politician of the twenty-first century– winner of two Democratic party nominations for a Congressional House seat and pusher of a run-off election for Senate — Kesha Rogers — stands with lpac. Meaning she has been disowned by Helga Zepp. And subject to charges from Vrench LORG partisans. So, Kesha Roers with lpac emphasizes a nationalist quote from dear deceased leader whose over whose legacy is getting fought. Mr. Bak responds asking about China, and Ben D repeats a facetious “you must be new” with introductory material to read on the exciting world of lpac’s larouche.
Kesha Rogers. About LaRouchePAC True Patriots in the fight to save our republic. Reviving the #Americansystem #physicaleconomy #crushtheempire
“Al we Americans have immediately at hand is the sleeping nationalist heritage embedded in our bones over more than twenty generations, the heritage of the eighteenth-century, worldwide American…
Benjamin Bak
And the New Silk Road of China AND Lyndon LaRouche ?
Kesha Rogers
Yes, it’s apart of the American System.
Benjamin Bak
Ok. Why the LPAC site don’t say that explicitly in your link, or in the bioagraphy of LaRouche ? Because you know Trunp is anti-China paranoïd ?
It sounds like you’re new to the work of Lyndon LaRouche, glad to see you’re interested in learning more. Check out our introduction to Mr. LaRouche’s decades-long fight for a New Bretton Woods system, and how a New Bretton Woods is still key today,
Benjamin Back
Without Helga, without Schiller Institute. This is sound lije censorship for me. I am a larouchist for thirteen years. Don’t kidding me
Ben @ LaRouche PAC
LaRouchePAC has excellent material on Mr. LaRouche’s genius work on a New Bretton Woods system, how it would operate, and what changes need to be made to the present global system. Mr. LaRouche was ahead of his time, and his work is critical today! Check it out.
Benjamin Bak
That’s what you do to Lyn and Helga. Don’t act like you don’t understand what I’m telling you
Ben @ larouchepac
Mr. LaRouche produced extensive material with LaRouchePAC, check it out! We’ve got a lot of great material to work through if you’d like to learn more about Mr. LaRouche’s New Bretton Woods program.

The Soviet “history deletion” image proferred by Mr. Bak is interesting, as we see Hwlga and LORG taking the Totskyist line and Boyd and LPAC the Stalunist dervived line — “larouche in a single country”, where lorg appears to take on the Trotsky tact.
Back in the day, after Kesha Rogers pushed the Democratic establishment to a run-off primary for Texas Senate seat — Helga Zepp Larouche trumpeted this victory amongst the Larouchoes in Germany, spotlighting a sign “Erst Kesha, dann Kascha” ( First Kesha, then Kascha)”. And now Helga has cancelled Kesha. Kesha’s victory no longer belonging to Helga, who has to find her forerunner to capturing Kadcha elsewhete.
Noting a comparison of Kesha Rogers’s vote tallies to the tepid results Diane Sare and especially Daniel Burke garner –who stand with LORG, and we await to see… Will LPAC run a candidate against Chuck Schumer and Diane Sare? Diane Sare, already making tne rounds at..
Occupy 2021. — and we watched New York Senate candidate Diane Sare—a challenger to Chuck Schumer in 2022—megaphone her platform. It was psychedelic in its leaps from subject to subject—pro-Glass-Steagall Act, anti–solar panels on Long Island, the late Lyndon LaRouche, who was perhaps the human embodiment of horseshoe theory—but I appreciated her ambition. As an aside, I noticed, in addition to the local PIX11, another camera crew from NTD covering the scene, which is, like the Trump-favoring Epoch Times, affiliated with Falun Gong. Agendas were surely afoot, but it’ll come out in the wash later.

All right. Whichever faction gives the most satisfyimg answer to this riddle wins, ok?

V. Memories
and To be fair, the extent of my urban crime fighting in Seattle is telling a couple Lyndon LaRouche minions at a card table with brochures and a poster of Obama with a Hitler mustache, “Fuck you.”
andI remember when I was in college back in 2007 there was a table of people affiliated with that guy LaRouche and they had some pictures of Obama with the Hitler stache.
Is this a “omg. Lyndon Larouce was right!”? You think being harassed by a Lyndon Larouche supporter in a parking lot forty something years ago would have prepared me better for #TheseDays
and In 2005 I was too busy arguing with Lyndon LaRouche cult members on the MySpace Democrats board to know what was going on with Brittany Spears, but I am excited to finally watch the documentary and catch up on everything.
and. Ah yes. The Lyndon LaRouche people. They were always so annoying at Hobby airport. But they were so fringe – I didn’t think such bizarre cult beliefs could grab so many ordinary people.
I was wrong.
DC Represent! Like the LaRouche nuts on DC street corners trying to prove that square roots don’t exist.
From a twitter dialouge relating to Marvel storylines, and reasons for ret-conning for purpose of keeping ages right: Yeah but part of the story kinda required her and Pietro being very young when they did the Hydra / Ultron stuff, so you could feel a bit more forgiving, like that they were basically angry college-age kids who want to protest American Imperialism being exploited, y’know?
I knew lots of similar kids in Olympia who got roped in by LaRouche and Ramtha, you know?
And it continues, rhyming… Turns out it is a drawing (with glitter) of the world, + he explains to me that the world is held up by giant swords (very glittery) and that’s how they control us. Proceeds into a rant only comparable in incoherence to getting dragooned by the LaRouche folk who tried to make me invent math, +then yelled at me for secretly using Newtonian principles. Anyway, glitter map man went to the bathroom + I ran to the metro.
(I’m also the patreon commenter w/the sketchy friend giving me Kushiel’s Dart. Maybe I couldn’t tell if it was weird bc of shit like this?)
And There was a similar map in the Larouche magazine someone dropped at every dorm in college one time. I was disappointed to find out how nuts the rest of the articles were, because I would love to ride the length of that system
hey now I made the mistake of putting LaRouche into my Twitter search and came across a free flowing sewer of swivel eyed, tin foil hat wearing Trumpist bunkem. I should have known better really.
… In recent days, likely the lpacers. The lorgers would sell you on China. Though, before recent days they’ll bothsplit thedifference.
more organization-wise for comparison — falun gong and scientology. following that trail.
Thomas Pynchon, you hack!

VI. Historical notes
A looksee at a 1986 issue of The Advocate.

One enemy passed on.
In two reports in 1984 for “First Camera,” a short-lived NBC news magazine program, Ms. Lynch maintained that Mr. LaRouche was, as she recounted in a 1985 article in The Columbia Journalism Review, “the leader of a violence-prone, anti-Semitic cult that smeared its opponents and sued its critics.”
Former LaRouchians, as they were called, told her that their leader had talked about assassinating President Jimmy Carter. After Ms. Lynch’s reports were broadcast, LaRouche adherents picketed NBC, carrying signs that said, “Lynch Pat Lynch.” She received at least one death threat, and her parents’ Long Island neighborhood was littered with fliers saying that she was running a call-girl operation from their house.
Mr. LaRouche filed a defamation suit against NBC. When a federal jury rejected his claim, NBC countersued, accusing the group of engaging in dirty tricks and impersonating Ms. Lynch to sabotage her reporting.
The jury awarded the network $3 million in damages, an amount later reduced to $258,000.
just another note into wikipedia.

VII. Across the Spectrum.
At long last, a libertarian (or ex libertarian) with any experience of Larouche coming in labeled as a libertarian.
When I first got involved with the Libertarian Party in 2012, I found a strong undercurrent of conspiracy theorism,” Weinman told me by email. “While leadership was happy to ridicule this nonsense behind closed doors, they were unwilling to confront or address it. For decades, the LP had been willing to pander to fringe movements in order to expand their membership. This is why unscrupulous grifters like Lyndon LaRouche, paleocon loons like Pat Buchanan (and frankly Ron Paul), 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, and ultimately anti-Semites and bigots all took shelter under the libertarian label.”

“15 Minutes of Fascism” concerns itself with Larouche. An obituary at 12:30 which is years late and covers nothing much of interest from no terribly enlightening perspective, but worth noting.

A Word of warning to Leftwingers thrown out when Ray McGovern posts to his Larouche appearance.
Flanking left AND right. basically the same shit as libs had with trump, where he´d be agressive towards russia (canceling nuclear and space treaties from like the 60´s) and libs belive to this day the meme propagated by Lyndon LaRouche that he´s a russian puppet. Ironically commented to a clip from Tucker Carlson charging Biden and officials as being cozy with China.

VIII. Britain and Australia
British Royal jokings. And by way of Carey.
So I Married an Axe Murderer

Aussie citing.
vote tallies
Here’s one for you. Candidates who got fewer individual first-preference votes than JJR’s 34:
– Socialist Equality #2, 23 votes
– CEC #2, 19 votes
Everybody else cracked at least 40.
I always assume that any ungrouped candidate or a lower-order super-obscure micro candidate has at least 5 or 10 friends and family who go “oh yeah s/he’s a good egg” and chuck them a first pref. Beyond? I guess if it’s triple digits they might be a local pastor, councillor, etc.

One small part of a politician’s financial scandal.
One Nation has raised questions about the circumstances of Ms Holgate’s departure and the inquiry follows unsubstantiated social media speculation that she did not resign but was pushed out.
Campaigning by licensed post office operators has been fuelled by groups including the Australian Citizens Party, linked to fringe American political figure and conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche.

IX. Where are they now?
Some updating on Xandros CEO Andreas Typaldos.
David P Goldman wouldn’t fit into today’s LORG. Though he references Aristotle enough that it could become a maybe. And it reads to many as though.