Why The Beatles look more like The Partridge Family, it’s a product of lack of concern with the manuevering of popular culture.  I oughta give where I picked this image up his due, this was posted at Progressive Ruin, and comes from Jack T Chick’s funda-MENTAL comic creation, The Crusaders.
I am rummaging through the FACTNet board, trying to sort some things out of it.  I can’t really say I am doing a great job of it, and have ended with the habit of simply dragging long passages from some posters to save without reading it — Scott and Tom.   I ended up deciding to create a separate page saving the any comment relating to Jeremiah Duggan, which is probably a pointless exercise only insofar as, unlike with Ken Kronberg, nobodyhere has any direct insight about that case and individual — everything is inference from their own experiences.

A sort of uneasy gray area lies in the attempts at selling us the Truth According to Larouche, and … god help us all… debate it.  Right out the gate, a “Tom” defended the Larouche line on … The Beatles.

I’ve done considerable amounts of homework on the origins of the counterculture, and I am certain it was intentionally created for a particular political effect. In fact, the LaRouche movement was formed out of the opposition to the Vietnam War, and the concurrent launching of the counterculture.

Now, when one starts digging into the origins of the SOE, and related British intelligence outfits, one soon discovers that the British are masters of various forms of psychological warfare. The British Tavistock Institute, for example, is notorious for originating so-called “brainwashing,” electro-shock “therapy,” and the use of drugs to induce psychosis. Later, during World War II, Tavistock psychiatrists were attached to every major British army unit. Their methods soon became very influential within United States military intelligence circles, ultimately leading to the formation of the Central Intelligence Agency. One of the notorious experiments the CIA conducted during the heady days of the Vietnam War was the so called MK-Ultra project, which included the large-scale distribution of LSD on college campuses. So much for the opposition. Somehow, a generation of Americans was induced to give up their commitment to truth and justice. Paul McCartney was knighted.
I rather prefer Jack T Chick’s take on the situation.  There are more druids in his historical take.  There are a few things to say about the Beatles in this conspiracy theory.  Firstly, it is a constant with Larouche — Lyn Marcus, the Marxist, could tie it in as a Bourgeoise plot… and Tom picked up on that.  But it does tap right in to the conservative flight against the 1960s.  Hence, the attacks against heavy metal in the 1980s.  Written by the same man who is now writing anti – video game screeds for Larouche, seemingly with the same formula, in this decade.
Thirdly, “I Want to Hold Your Hand” and “Love, Love, Love” must really rankle that man.

Fourthly, and most importantly, the rejection of The Beatles a con game for psuedo-intellectualism, and elitism.  We reject the mass commercialist mindset created to us from the marketing taste-makers, to a great extent true enough, and accept instead… Beethoven.  It makes one feel like they are thumbing their nose at the Marketing — well, Oligarchy.  Literally every single Larouchie and every single ex-Larouchie and every single semi-Larouchie touches upon that theme as an attraction to this Cult of Personality, I see it as appropriate alienation from their peer group leading to an inappropriate response.  But Tom seemed a little bit unaware of the irony of his “drop out” comment.  Hold on a minute here:

In any case, I have not ignored the difficult question with respect to the Beatles. I’m amused that it’s really an issue, but I am not surprised. My experience has been tempered by years of political organizing. I have learned that it’s relatively simple to educate someone politically. Most anyone who has an attention-span, and the willingness to do some work on their own, will readily agree with LaRouche’s basic analysis of the world’s political-strategic affairs. However, the culture, particularly with respect to music, is always the sticking-point, because one’s “music” is almost always the key to their identity. For example, generation X-ers, like myself, generally talk, dress, think, choose their friends, recreate, etc., with their favorite “music” as a reference. I’m sure you are aware of the phenomenon, and I don’t think our enemies are unaware of the effect.

We’ve all seen infants jumping up and down in their crib, hollering nonsense, and putting toys in their mouth. Thankfully, some of them grow up. Unfortunately, many of them are induced to remain forever infantile, and they defend their infantilism to the rotten core, without ever really knowing why.
Ugh.  Actually, this is Jack T Chick.  And, for that matter, the bestialization… the species differernation… right back to what that Larouche questioner asked right on this blog as what he saw the key question to be:  DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAN AND ANIMAL?
The absurdity of this is probably the clearest arena to spotlight.  After that, the discussion on matters of culture become somewhat boredom-inducing, and not worth much in the arena of saving.  To sum up that situation:

Lyn’s narratives of the history of science make for fascinating study in the paranoid style, if you can endure the torturous quality. Essentially, as previously noted, there was a Pure Method known to Plato; it was attacked and silenced by Aristotle and Ptolemy, revived by Cusa, cherished and continued by Kepler and perhaps Leonardo; this was promptly attacked by the regnant oligarchy in Venice using their agents, Galileo and Newton. Leibniz then “discovered” the calculus in a flash of complete, brilliant, fresh genius, supposedly after studying “the Kepler problem,” as Colonel Blimpoid has put it.

And never mind that basing the calculus on the infinitesimal leads to Zeno-style paradoxes and that this was known 250 yrs ago, was much discussed and argued, nor that the rigorous articulation of the Limit concept by Cauchy formalized the calculus on a logically sound basis; none of these developments have any internal logical or natural historic force, native to the subject’s complexities. There just has to be a conspiracy, run by oligarchs since the founding of Greek philosophy out of myth and poetry, to silence those (like Lyn) who seek to elevate mankind. 

That is all ye know, and all ye need know, methinks.  I can pretty much by-pass it, ridiculous as it may be.
“Unified conspiracy string theory” of the world. I remember being told in 1979 that Atlantis was found off the coast of Spain, “right where LHL said it would be”. We can spin out more conspiracies than you ever imagined. We could give you a prehistoric conspiracy, a bronze age, Egyption/Babylon, Israeli, Masonic, Christian, Platonic, Satanic, Marxist,British, Rockefeller, JFK, Nazi, Humanist version. I could not even begin to catalogue the stories we published, stole, rewrote and claimed as our own discoveries. Each story will have an appeal to some segment of the population. So, the person listens lightly to the jibberish, then reaches his “level” and then thinks that we have something that he always thought about, but never had “the facts ” to back up.

Now the biggest conspiracy is that people who join think that LHL wants a mass movement. If that was true you would think after 30 years we have a few more subscribers and contributors. But, if you look at the lists you find that we burned every one out. If you takle a close look at the Presidential lists you will see that the repeat givers soon drop off. The demographics of the givers also changes as we targeted another group. At one time, through the anti drug coalition work, we had numerous supporters who were in the right to life groups. Another time we had John Birch type lists to call. Now you will see a lot of Muslim names as we pick up on the post 9/11 comspiracy of how Israel is the ultimate master of the British and US war efforts.

Rewind a little and stop at this line:

Now the biggest conspiracy is that people who join think that LHL wants a mass movement.

This is one of two things that “xlrc” has hammered on this board constantly, that Larouche he wants — a parallel world where he is a dictator and creates the impression upon a group of fawning syncoprants that he is a Player in World and Cultural Affairs.  The other being that Larouche is being used and duped by other criminals — the extortion does not  with Larouche ciphing up money from the LYMers.  I don’t know what the make of the latter impression.  The former, I can suggest one my problems with Dennis King.  It is interesting that his book “The New American Fascism” was published just a couple years before David Duke narrowly lost a Senate seat and then the governor seat for Louisiana.  I say that because a David Duke has a clearer shot of winning anything electorally than Lyndon Larouche, and has a clearer antecedent and connection with the “Old American Fascism” — the one party white supremicist ruled Jim Crowe Southern — um– oligarchy, and the KKK.

Actually I reflect on this:

There are some people on FACTNet who are out to ruin LaRouche, I think. They’re not obsessed with what he says, but with what he does. The site got a lot more intense since a senior LaRouche org member committed suicide in April.

Sure.  Sure.  OKAY. There is a strange sense that Larouche’s Empire is now perpetually on the brink of collapse.  3 years before I receieve a post on the current strains of Larouche, Inc — Fidileo — Dead, and all that:
today, the movement is all but broke.
there is that whiteboard in the “national centre” showing how much each local raised so far for the week, and the total is never enough for the movement to stay afloat – at least not with helga’s weight in the boat.
many old timers are moonlighting as substitute high school teachers or got some computer job (data entry).
‘Intelligence’ consists mainly of internet searches. The am bfg is constructed primarily from surfing the web, with some gossip from “contacts” thrown in. Lar doesn’t have any intelligence capability – at least not anymore. He has some “contacts”, many of whom don’t even like him. But people talk to EIR/EIW/Strategic Alert because everybody likes the idea of being interviewed, makes one feel important.
The ultimate source for the stuff in EIR now comes from web search engines – except for LAR’s rantings – those repetitive and near-repetitive tracts come from lar personally. The web searches are copy pasted into the am bfg, or the “daybook”, and eventually amalgated into an “article”. A typical EIR article is made up of stuff from other people’s websites, with some jokes and opinions thrown in.
There is one guy in the national centre – Richard F. – who collects a lot of statistics from the web, comes up with charts, etc. At least this guy does some actual work. The rest just writes opinions columns.
Every now and then, the NEC, or whatever , will decide (i.e. “judge” — inside term) on which slant to take (i.e. “intervention” — another inside term). The truth will be shaded in EIR in such a way as to reflect the “policy”.
“Contacts” around the world will then get a call or two, and be “briefed” on the latest incarnation of lar “policy” based on the assumption that they really cared about what lar thinks. This will be followed by the customary joke — “the world is coming to an end and there is no other solution except lar”. After that, the begging for money starts.
Sometimes, some “contacts” will give some gossip, and tell the boomers in leesburg not to publish it. the boomers will then relate the gossip to lar, and lar will think that he is being let in on something because he is so important to the world.
This basically sums up the best private intelligence agency in the world.
about helga and her bitch’s rich and famous lifestyle — the trouble about courting VIPs is that you must have the means to entertain them. every now and then, you read about the german and her bitch rubbing shoulders with this or that VIP. VIP shoulders don’t come cheap…and the big shots will only give you the time of the day if you look like you have some means. hence, the true purpose of the yoot movement…to help foot the bills.

I think Robert Beltran’s services are a good trade-in for Fidelio, in a very broad “teach the classicist method of Acting” versus classicist Art mode.  Besides which, there should be plenty of Fidelios in back-stock to wave before these artistic-minded recruits, and they shouldn’t notice that they’re a few years’ old.
I think the nature of the Cult is that is that it needs to be Strained in terms of its financing.  On one hand, it does shadow the Perpetual Impending Collapse claims for the Broader Economy.  On the other hand… the nature of a con is that you funnel your winnings right on through and never stop.

Hm. It almost seems as though Larouche himself has decreed that an offensive be launched at the FACTNet board. So this is what Lyndon Larouche does to a young man?

OK I have read plenty here this is a very elaborate devious trick indeed whether it is intentional or accidental. The trap is one of deduction. I will explain what too many from the LYM fall trap into as they walk into this domain of self perpetuated deceit!
Well, at least we have the suggestion that “too many from the LYM” are falling into this here “domain of self perpetuated deceit”. Too bad that google exists. Larouche needs to take some pointers from Scientology and the North Korean government in how to better surpress the outside world from interfering with the Party Line.

Really? “Self Perpetuated Deceit”? Continuing on:

Any and all X members are such because they really did not learn one key fundamental. How to come to understand something to be true! Do you take popular opinion? All those opinions CANT POSSIBLY BE WRONG, right? How about the accumulation of a whole bunch of facts that will get to the truth right? Because the simple tally of more facts will show an aggregation of evidence which always leads us in the right direction? Right?
Oh, this is good! I like this guy. I like him for his lack of self-awareness of his sheer pompous absurdity. “Any and all X members are such because they failed to learn”, etc.? Really? That there is the cult mindset. After that, it has the scent of a cartoon super-villian, feverishly rubbing his hands together as he plots world domination — this would be right before that last commercial break where things look bleakest for whoever the cartoon good guys.
But the Quincunx of Heaven runs low, and ’tis time to close the five ports of knowledge. We are unwilling to spin out our awaking thoughts into the phantasms of sleep, which often continueth precogitations; making Cables of Cobwebs and Wildernesses of handsome Groves. Besides Hippocrates hath spoke so little and the Oneirocriticall Masters, have left such frigid Interpretations from plants that there is little encouragement to dream of Paradise it self. Nor will the sweetest delight of Gardens afford much comfort in sleep; wherein the dullness of that sense shakes hands with delectable odours; and though in the Bed of Cleopatra, can hardly with any delight raise up the Ghost of a Rose.

No. Wait. I wandered off somewhere.
Whatever. I can look at this from a few vantage-points. The better one is to say that I think the jimmyos of that board have a sufficient vantage point to not be terribly impressed. I suspect that the new content at FACTNet is going to be rather pointless for the next few days, as the Cartoon Super Villian Genius has his way.

In the meantime, I want to discuss Al Gore’s Nazi Garden for a moment. Um. Okay. I think I need this translated into the Larouchians’ purple prose.

My misguided brethren who so quickly render the blame upon those they don’t understand ascend unto true understanding from doing hard core work. Work that goes into history looking for invisible things the only things that are really existent because they remain when all the perceptible things wax and wane!
EXACTLY!

Okay. Here’s the thing about that article on Al Gore’s Nazi Garden.

It is just about the most absurd thing I’ve ever seen.(*)

No, wait. Someone else gave out that opinion on the FACTNet board, and the epitome of the type of “ex Larouchie” he is warning me against at that.  And here’s what I was warned against…

Lastly remember, If you are truly intent on understanding what Larouche is saying stop taking second hand opinions!

Damneditall! Foiled AGAIN!

……….

(*) Charitably I could dredge up some notes from a History 102 class and some throw-away references to garden types and philosophical epochs. But really, what good could that possibly do?

… Continuing to study rare exotic floral genus. For this gutter outlet of Wall Street Fascist John Train…

Ugh. An official Larouche organization — post-Larouche, with attempted contacts to individuals who quit long time ago — and perhaps any number of unofficial out of Larouche shadow organizations. The unofficial one:

Sometimes in the midst of horrible to imagine World Occurrences, a little bit of dark comedy springs through.  For example, John Ukec Lueth Ukec and his trade threat against the threat from America to impose Sanctions on the Sudan.
Genocide in the Darfur region? “The United States is the only country saying that what is happening in Darfur is a genocide,” Ukec shouted, gesticulating wildly and perspiring from his bald crown. “I think this is a pretext.”

As diplomatic threats go, that one gets high points for creativity: Try to stop the killings in Darfur, and we’ll take away your Coca-Cola.

Okay.  Everybody and the mother has linked to that story.  It is henceforth a classic.  Congratulations Dana Milbank, for finding that odd mix of substances — Genocide and obscure cola ingredients — that makes a story run down smoothly down the American public’s psyche.  I think the video for this press conference is available here.
It is difficult to figure where John Ukec Lueth Ukec can get his side of the story out in America.  Evidentally he can sprout out to a lecture at a the University of Utah, where he is met by skeptical students.

  His arguments failed to satisfy students such as Briawna Howard, who said the militia are still being supplied with arms by the government in Khartoum. In addition, she said, “nothing is being done to protect the internally displaced people in Darfur, or the Darfur refugees in Chad.
“A Darfurian dies every five minutes,” Howard said. “Thirty died in the hour we were in that room.” Ukec, she said, “is trying to downplay the magnitude.”

I note this comment at my sort of Internet Message Board watering hole:

I stopped buying name-brand soft drinks about two months ago. 12 packs cost $7.00. The 12 packs of of off-brands are still between 2-5 dollars. I was wondering what was up–I just thought it was price-gouging.

I honestly haven’t noticed such a thing, and I’d find it difficult to imagine its effect would have happened already.  Brace yourself, I suppose.

As for Ukec’s media appearances, and more importantly positive coverage, um… Howzabout …?:

May 26–Sudan’s Ambassador to the United States, John Ukec Lueth, will be the guest June 2, on The LaRouche Show, the weekly Internet radio program, on the topic, “Globalization or Sovereignty: Why Sudan Is Under Attack.” He will be interviewed by Lawrence Freeman, from EIR News Service, in a discussion including activists from the LaRouche Youth Movement. Ambassador Lueth is a member of the Sudanese People’s Liberation Movement, which signed the Central Peace Agreement in February 2005 to form the Unity Government of Sudan. The LaRouche Show is an audio talk show, broadcast live on the Internet every Saturday, from 3 to 4 p.m. Eastern time, on

I think they misplaced an “Ukec” there, but never mind.  Sudan’s Ambassador does realize how big a non-factor Lyndon Larouche is to world events, doesn’t he?  He would be better off making an appearance on Opie and Anthony.  Whatever, you get your positive coverage where you can get it.  In a month or so you will be able to find this interview tucked inside one of those pamphlets, probably printed in Canada now (cheaper printing presses), abandoned in bulk as they always are after a hard day’s work by Larouche card-table workers, ironically supporting this genocide-enabling government while carrying on with how Al Gore is committing Genocide in Africa by carrying on about Global Warming.  (Don’t ask.)
…………………….

I may as well sneak these in, because I’d just as soon not return to this category when I sit down at a computer tomorrow or the next day.  Corral them later.

1979, p 76:  “Although I have profoundly respected Goethe’s extraordinary skill in poetic composition, one poem of Goethe’s which touched me with more than a special sense of admiring amusement was his Prometheus. Making men in my own image was the conscious articulation of my central purpose from approximately 1946. First, one must become adequately qualified to accomplish that purpose. That task, especially as I saw the methodological hopelessness of existing institutions known to me, prescribed assimilating and developing a body of knowledge adequate to the undertaking to come. In the immediate postwar period, I set myself the goal of acquiring the necessary degree of adequacy between my thirty-third and thirty-fifth birthdays.
The result of that approach was the National Caucus of Labor Committees.” 
Dec. 20, 1987: “Creativity is one of my obsessions. If you don’t have creative insight, you can’t see how we can win; if you can see how we can win, then we will win.

… Look around you. Who will support us? Who will rally to us? The ones who will rally to us are the emotionally crippled, the grey-faced, the neurologically impaired who, in rallying to us will do the only worthy thing to give meaning to their lives. Thus they will be able to say, ‘I wasn’t important but I contributed to victory.'”

2007:  Well, they’re both fascists. Essentially, it’s true, that Al Gore—and I try to get it out of the people—did you ever hear this song, this country song from Tennessee about the company store [“Sixteen tons”]? Now, who owned the company store? Who owned the company that ran the company store, which was made notorious by this song? The company store? Al Gore, personally. Al Gore is, essentially, a fascist. And he comes from the Tennessee swamps by pedigree. He is also a confirmed racist; he’s done things which he is guilty of as hell. In Africa, he’s a racist; he’s a killer racist in Africa. He’s also listed as a Democrat; so are many leading members of the Ku Klux Klan, and he comes from that particular pedigree. I don’t know if it’s mint juleps or something else. [A good standard, that song.  Not about Al Gore, Senior or Junior.  Actually this is a reworking of the Bush Family Conspiracy mythology — and I won’t comment here on what I believe on that matter because it is irrelevant here — to fit the Gores, who… is Larouche’s vaunted intelligence services telling him that Gore is going to seek the presidency, and the Aristocracy is going to place him in power, because — won’t he sort of fade away a bit in public consciousness otherwise?]

The first two quotes are where I end with what TJ Simpson is reprimanding a group of individuals for, I suppose me included for passing it forward.

Okay, so Ken Kronberg is dead. The in-house printing companies of Larouche Inc. is bankrupt — or liquidated. Larouche claims their demise as an effect of Baby-boomer mismanagement, slyly referencing any minute sparks of independence… they pooh-poohed his prediction of the economic collapse unleashed by the bursting of the Tech Bubble, apparently. This works as a good message for the modern Larouche Youth Movement “leaders” in that bizarre generational dichotomy Larouche has set up.

with the LaRouche org’s destruction of WorldComp and PMR, they are in quite a pickle in terms of where to print, especially because using a non-LaRouche printer means having to pay.
In the past year, the following LaRouche publications have croaked: New Federalist, 21st Century Science & Technology (now “online” but really dead), and Fidelio (partly for money, partly because Kronberg, who edited it, just stopped doing it last year).
Hanging on by a thread are EIR magazine and occasional pamphlets, pretty much printing LaRouche ramblings at webcasts.
However, the reduced runs of publications and the loss of many of the publications doesn’t mattermuch, because the LYM couldn’t get the stuff out anyhow.

AND

Now it will be interesting to see how ole Lindy gets his stuff printed. How long can they pay an outside printer to do what they refused to pay Kronberg to do? How long will an outside printer print, if he doesn’t get paid?
Note that in recent years, the organization lost New Federalist (Kronberg finally stopped mailing it, and then stopped printing it, because he couldn’t get paid); 21st Century mag (now in some online avatar of no clout); Fidelio (Kronberg stopped putting it out, and since he was the only one who worked on it, that was that); etc.
Apparently the EIR runs have been cut drastically since Kronberg’s death, too. So what are the yutes going to wave around while they sing Jesu, Meine Freude on street corners? How on earth will they get contacts if they don’t have any literature to put on the card tables?
I wonder how much importance any profit margin of those ridiculous “card-table shrine” pamphlets. They strike me as loss leaders, those damned $5 suggested donation I find it impossible to imagine anyone shelling out. They are always ALWAYS unloaded in bulk at the end of the Larouchies’ excursion. (Here, Here, and Here, when I get a moment or run into it.) It looks like a Recruitment Show, and if money comes pouring in it’s off of larger donations when the Larouchites get the conduct information of the curious or interested and pester them to death for money later on. I suppose the Larouche book-keeping enterprise could pretty well squelch the payment to the Printing Component of the whole Enterprise to Zero, screwing Ken Kronberg as it did, which I guess would only mean that the LYMers will have to shake the unfortunates who leave their phone numbers for more money still.
I can’t tell if the absence of anything other than those shoddier and shoddier pamphlet-ings are essential to the running of the Cult. Those pamphlets are indelibly important — you have to wave something around, even if you’re actually physically selling a mere fraction of your stock. Beyond that… I am of two minds. Notice here in this silly LYM presentation the reference to — I’d have to watch it again to know for sure — either 20th Century Science and Technology or Fidelio as the “Third best selling journal” in its genre. If they disappear into the ether, one artifice of the Intellectual Potemkin Village that Larouche Inc has set up falls aside… can you continue to make that claim if everything is peering from, at best, Online? Are there other artifices of this type that will just have to take its place? The Robert Beltran Acting School, I suppose. And those brilliant discussions on the… um… Larouche — Riemann Method. (As “sancho” put it, sounds rather like the Curly-Dalai Lama method.)
EIR is indexed online in Google News, the positive and negative sides of Google News in their broad reach of including material. There is a sort of throw-away reference in one of those Larouche internal memos to the effect of how the Baby-boomers let lay the online side of the enterprise, which almost seems like a rationalization for their forced entry of… bulking up their online presence in, what I have noticed, they are pumping out garbage at a rather frenetic clip.

In terms of the evolution of Larouchism, it occurs to me that, starting out, Larouche first surrounded himself with College Graduate Students. He has reached lower and lower, to the point where… apparently admist his group are high school drop outs, and I somehow managed to miscommunicate my bafflement at this on the FACTNet board.
On the youth, there are a couple of considerations that indicate how LaRouche has perfected his technique.
When I and my age cohort joined, we were either college grads or in college or perhaps in grad school. We held jobs. In other words, we were independent, or could form an independent thought, and had to test those thoughts and our performance at work and/or in school.
We supported ourselves. We were able to buy clothes and food and books, and pay rent.
We were THE SAME AGE then, when we were doing all these “grown-up” things, that the yutes are today.
Now, this eroded over time, particularly in regions, where people’s rent and medical bills, etc., began to be paid for them, so that they were infantilized and rendered dependent. When I was a member, however, we called this becoming lumpenized–that is, some part of us still recognized that it was a Bad Thing to live 6 to an apartment, eat all our meals together, live off what we made at field deployments, etc., share our cars (and have them destroyed in the field).
Today, what we used to criticize as lumpenization is held up as the ultimate politico-monastic existence.
That is the crux of the operation: Keeping the LYMers in communalist dorms, feeding them from communalist pots, paying all their bills for them, imprisons them psychologically and financially. They are absorbed into The Family.
The vestiges of independence that we older people retained is one reason LaRouche hates the Baby Boomers and their immediate successors so much. For those older members, no matter what LaRouche does, he can’t impress them the way he can impress the LYM.
Also note that a couple of years LaRouche stopped the process of National Conferences in the U.S.–conferences attended by the old members as well as the young. Now in their place they hold LYM retreats, off in the mountains someplace in isolation.
There are NO conferences for older members–where someone might get up and say what he or she thought. And now the old members are taught by the LYM–very rarely is the LYM taught by old members. There are just a handful of old members “cleared” to teach–Jeff Steinberg, Harley Schlanger, Phil Rubenstein, Bruce Director, Michelle Steinberg, come to mind.

The question, one I would want to throw to Freakonomics : how do you classify a LYMer? Are they expenses? Initial Investments, which will turn into profit on a later date? PRODUCTS??? The set up has been built for them. How much of the enterprise does it cost to pull them up?
Oh, mercy me. I never thought I would ever end up looking at as much insight on the internal mechanics of Lyndon Freaking Larouche, but there you go. Now you too, oh long time blog reader of mine, have the same murky pleasure. And I have no goddamned clue what you could possibly use with this information, except to give a slight pause the next time you see that Simpsons “Treehouse of Horror” episode with Homer shouting “Oh My God! Lyndon Larouche was Right!”

I exchanged about three emails with Avi Klein of the Washington Monthly (who I can mention because he gave his name on the FACTNet board). It was, as I posted before, largely a deferral and acknowledgment that I know nothing, a couple of email addresses for contact information he may or may not have found helpful, and just for the sake of it — I made a quick test to see that he had enough minimal background knowledge to avoid a string of references to the Queen of England in whatever article she was working on (and, for the life of me, I can’t quite tell what direction he is taking it in — it looks like one of two directions). I don’t think I am out of school to refer to one statement he made:

A good book about the movement itself has yet to be written.

The frightening thing is I am staring at an oral history, although it probably gets weaker depending on which end of the strand it lies on — plenty from the NCLC days, not as of yet a whole lot first hand from ex-LYM members, as that little innovation is a bit too recent and, for the most part, any “ex” members would, almost by definition, not have fully indoctrinated themselves.

Riding the bus, I had two thread topics running in my mind that I had intended on posting.  They are both momentarily steam-rolled away.
Headphones on, I was listening to Mike Malloy, formerly of Air America and formerly of something else before that, now with “NOVA M” radio and generally scheduled on radio stations that broadcast Air America programming.  It is a rebroadcast of a show run earlier in the year, one I probably never heard before.  It’s one of his “Youth Nights” programs, where he screens in and only has conversations with people between the ages of 13 and 17.  And so I hear a 13 year old call in about…

Her chat with a Lyndon Larouche supporter, generally hawking the new anti-Gore line, which had her a bit confused as it was next to the “Impeach Cheney” line.

None of which would be particularly noteworthy, and I would pass on it, except for the insanity that the “Lyndon Larouche supporter” was… 15.  And a High School drop out.  Because Larouche is the real education we need to save the world.

Fascinatingly, the 13 year old swerved through a discussion with the 15 year old high school drop-out LYMer, and, as she described it, the LYMer couldn’t really answer her questions on various political questions, up to and including what the heck Larouche’s program was, exactly.  The 13 year old spotted bullshit when she saw it.
Mike Malloy run through a lecture to the effect that one should be weary of people who advance a person — themselves — over any political goal.  And ended the call by saying that people who have acted as Larouche does, with the idea that He and He Alone Has all the Answers and Nobody else does — end up killing millions of people with that short jump to “And if you don’t fall in line with what I Know, then –“  Practical lessons on Larouche, Malloy informed the 13 year old caller that he served time in prison because of Credit Card fraud, stealing money.
And we jump to a commercial break. And I am left flabergasted on one matter.

High School drop out?  Huh???
I had intended on setting aside a couple quips from and concerning FACTNet postings for another day, and Hey!  Look!  A new thread!, but there is something I think is off — or missing the point — about the discussions on Larouche’s financing.  Actual Accounting ledgers of Expenses and Revenues are beside the point, in the paranoid view of the world, you have to be making credit advances to be discarded when you gain control.

Adolf Hitler.  Tax Dodger.  Do you see how that works?
It’s all very non-linear, if you will.

Here’s my rhetorical question: Is a new LYMer an expense or an asset?
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As an aside, I did a quick google search for “Mike Malloy” and “Larouche”.  If I am to believe the buzzards that swarmed around “Accuracy In the Media” and propagated out into the Internet, Mike Malloy — always dancing with conspiracy theories — was fired from Air America after having on a Larouchian guest, Webster Tarpley.  But it rings of spurious speculation.

(After I make a jab at one of those two recent slightly dazed Larouchites’ comments on re-entering college while “bringing the best of Larouche’s ideas with them”.)

I. “But Howie, didn’t you know that all the professors in the country have an anti-Lyn litmus test that’s part of their getting in to academia?”

One of the senior members once said this to me. The professoriat, you see, is deeply implicated in the system of thought control whereby the oligarchy runs history. The physicist and scientific community constitutes a “Babylonian priesthood” where silly practices like peer review and “blackboard mathematics” prevail. Paranoid thought is rampant in the organization, and not just with Lyn. On election night in ’04, when Kerry had won New Jersey or something the above-mentioned senior member said to me excitedly, “This is going to be seen as our victory!” Supposedly Lyn’s yutes yodeling outside the Democrat’s convention hall in Boston, had completely transformed Kerry and the Party. The ’04 convention has thus taken on the status of a sacred event in the organization’s mythos, where the vast power of the LYM was rolled out to such immense effect and Lyn became a “serious force” in the party. Equal parts delusion and toadying: Lyn has tried vigorously in the last few years to suck up to Bill Clinton and play for some pull in the Democratic Party. A lot of his recent initiatives can be explained by this. Also remember that it’s standard operating procedure to demonize and fearmonger: we must stop Judge Roberts and Alito from making us go Nazi and invade Poland. Continuous Demon Rollover is required, which has the normal effect of mobilizing the members to get out there and bring in some LPAC checks. If you fail, you are impotent. Quite a system… Of late the youth have shown their might by getting California’s and Massachusetts’ state Dem conventions to actually go on the record endorsing impeachment. Wow! I bet that was really tough. It’s interesting to try to forecast who might be the next demonic fiend.

II.  The Boston 2004 Democratic Convention is an important myth indeed.

This one-way romance was dashed quite recently, when Kerry said to a couple of LYMers at some public event, “LaRouche is nuts.” Ouch. It’s like when, back in 1988, then-Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush said, in response to a question in Iowa or somewhere, “LaRouche? Isn’t he in jail yet?” Not then–but soon.

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III.  Lyn has a new document in process, “The Rules of Survival” apparently, wherein it will doubtless be shown how indispensable Lyn is to the current strategic situation, and how he must be brought in to guide us forward if the world is not to be plunged in to the New Dark Age. Perhaps there are five hundred or a thousand previous papers treating of this theme. We hope this one is of the same illustrious quality as previous gems like the Dirichlet treatise. Maybe one of the youth could correct me if I’m in error, but I think the premise of that one was basically that the mathematician Dirichlet’s work proved how critical is the existence of the LYM.

Lyn’s editors maybe can’t heal his tortured, garbled unreadable prose anymore. In the 90’s his papers and books were much better. In the last couple of years even the published stuff has gotten increasingly unreadable. Where Lyn really shines though is in the unpublished briefing notes to the members. There we encounter really really horrible, slapdash junk, sentences so brutalized and syntax so tortured that you have to think he’s doing it on purpose. But the true adept/member/LYM leader/acolyte pores over it as the latest holy writ.

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IV.  Several things have happened to Lyn’s writings in recent years (even though I would say that everything he ever wrote had a tortured, artificial, and ignorant quality to it).
First, Lyn is definitely losing whatever tenuous grasp he once had on language (not to mention reality).
Second, he allows nothing to be edited or copyedited in the slightest degree.
Third, editors who used to sneak in editing changes have long since figured, who cares? So they let stand stuff that’s obviously crackers.
Fourth, the editorial staff is a skeleton crew, and no longer a very good one.
But, as charltonrom says, the tea-leaf readers will continue to find Lyn’s brew a heady potion.………………………..

I.  Is this, or anything like this, proceeding apace?  It floated out into the ether, grasped by … whom?
II.  Reading paragraph 2 regarding the evolution, or general fragmentation, of groups into the 1970s out of the 1960s regarding a general “backlash”, the NCLC being brought into the equation in pargraph 3 — it gets the picture incorrect in spots.   Witness:  These people were drawn to organizations which systematically combatted the anarchic anti-authorianism of the 1960s and combined cultural vestiges of the 1960s (such as rock music, communal living, or the rhetoric of love, peace, Experience, or Revolution) with prescriptions which reversed those of the 1960s culture, e.g., obedience to superiors, short hair, or sexual abstinence.  In the NCLC, there was no rhetoric of love and peace, and rock music was Bourgoise propaganda emenating out of Aristotle and the Jews/British.  At least we still have Revolution.

But indeed, Ruth Williams’s begrudging acceptance and rationalization of life advocating Larouche despite her objections of him as a fear-mongering cult-leader, as portrayed in the book Younger Than That Now, on behest of her questionable boyfriend, initially involved how the NCLC swore off of drugs.  Juggling the two just out of it but still infected and still sorting their strange life decision out “Larouche Youth Movementarians” currently discussing matters at FACTNet, I can safely cue:

I myself am very affected by the experience and I think about it daily; It really was a turning point in my life, and In many ways I felt very connected to what it means being a human being – as opposed to the extremely superficial reality of popular youth culture today, of which I was a part.  This sense og humanity is something I still cherish and is grateful for.

Youth Culture Killed My Dog.  Speaking of superficial youth culture items, I bring you back to the Larouchies’ attempted revision of this wikipedia entry, um… here.  Even if your goal is bringing culture to the masses, this seems like a waste of time… indeed, go by this man:  you’ve got to hand it to them: they’ve come up with the best possible way to waste your life, by far. even heroin addiction is preferable, if you ask me.

I shouldn’t be too hard here.  Or maybe I should.  I’ve gone through just over 100 posts about this matter in 3 years’ time, a great bulk coming from after last November which was when I chose to mire myself into a topic that ultimately affects me not one iota.  I am studying a rare and exotic species of flora.  I’ll keep that line that was handed to me and string it next to “gutter outlet of Wall Street Fascist John Train”.
I was meaning to swerve myself into other parcels and bits from the two just exiting semi-Larouchites.  Anti-semitism, for instance.  I have never wanted to get too in-depth on the topic, and if I were seriously fighting the forces of Larouche I would defer to comments made such handful of ex-Larouchites rumbling through the FACTNet board, who seem quite good at recollecting instances of “Um.  Huh”, greeted as it is by the cognitive dissonance found in the statement I have a feeling that you guys might be flat out making the story up..  But it doesn’t really take any insider information, or for that matter mid-level analysis, to see something amiss.  It is telling that that Greenpeace blogger who says he was “Larouched” included the phrase “anti-semitism” in his digestion.  To wit, the line Yes, Larouche does attack people who so happen to be Jewish but not because of their ethnicity or religion. He attacks them because of the actions they are commiting. Henry Kissinger for instance… falls flat with my one and only statement: You cannot use such an esoteric term as “synarchist” without being rightly accused of covering something up.

Actually what I wanted to comment about were the following two statements:

#1: Are you sure Larouche knows about whats being done to the older members?

Even I could tell months ago before taking a closer look, and before the suicide of Ken Kronberg brought it into stark relief, when glancing through a Larouchian pamphlet that exhaulted the “LYM” “leaders” and slammed the “baby-boomers”, that something had to be going all swervy at Larouche headquarters with this asinine generation gap discussion.
#2: Yeah I’ll Admit, Lyn sometimes doesn’t describe the specifics of his proposed recovery such as what you said above: Pricing, land ownership, environmental problems etc. His members however usually do the more specific research.

For example, When I was in the movement Lyn would reference tons of projects and thinkers and the members would do the research on them. It might be because larouche wants the members to make the discovery on their own. A perfect example of this would be Bruce Director’s work on the mathematics.

I swear, I laughed out loud at that statement.  It is akin to a wife apologizing for a battering husband, and rationalizing why he has to beat her.

Actually I want to wrap this up fairly quickly.  I have mused that Larouche clearly has “mother problems”, having seen that he implanted the “mother issue” into his followers right back to NCLC days, and probably right back to his days as a semi-respectable guru nibbling off the edges of SDS at Columbia.  Thus I am mightily intrigued by this statement:

The Cuban frogmen theme or meme came from the movie that was shown on the airliner on which Carol and Chris White flew back from London to the U.S. in December 1973. When Chris, who was not brainwashed, but just upset and freaked out, started mumbling about frogmen–when he and Carol were at Lyn’s apartment after arriving in U.S.–Lyn went bananas and started screaming that this was an assassination plot against him.

So no, he’s not doing this so people can make their own discoveries. He babbles like this because his mother told him (I have a source for this) that he’s the most important person in the world and all his thoughts have tremendous weight and so he just knows it’s true.

What the Hell?  Source?  For that?  One of Larouche’s childhood playmates?   Oh well.  Whatever.  It is probably best that I never know the answer to that question.

Ron is our last hope. They want to take away any possiblity of resisting there agenda. We must do something before we cannot even DEFEND our selves. We the people….NEVER FORGET.

This sounds strangely familiar.

Actually I am almost wondering if I ought not reconsider my statement Ron Paul is not a cult leader, which was a blog entry spurred off of a blog that compared Ron Paul with Lyndon Larouche, or more patently the supporters of Lyndon Larouche with the supporters of Ron Paul. Granted, the half a dozen comments that were sent my way were mostly okay (I get the feeling I probably would have had a couple more had this website not gone down for the night), and I can only really say I have this problem with one and a half of them. But those one and a half are indicative of something.

Generally I’ve found that the Paul admirers at Reason are more realistic in their admiration than the supproters at Lewrockwell. But this is probably something of an ideological putsch of sorts.

Again, Ron Paul is not a cult leader, and to say he is is to make statements of hyperbole and/or demogaugery. Lyndon Larouche is. (By the way, have I mentioned yet that Lyndon Larouche called this blog a “gutter outlet” of “Wall Street Fascist John Train”?) However, something in the realm of the politics they espouse somehow does bring a strange synthesis. Over the years, Lyndon Larouche has been referred to as a “libertarian”, and self-described Libertarians slapped silly with assumptions of Larouchian nature. While Larouche is the opposite of Libertarian, but the basic assumption comes with this idea that Libertarians are espousing a pallete of wild and kooky political ideas.
I observe, for instance, this. James Butler, a 25 year old student from New Jersey, has this misguided desire for Lyndon Larouche to toss some credence to his favorite poltical figure and presidential candidate, Ron Paul. A Larouche endorsement, which is physically impossible because it does not advance Lyndon Larouche’s meglomaniac agenda one iota, is about the worst thing that Ron Paul — already suspect for mainstream credentials and travelling the by-ways of fringey politics– could possibly obtain. If you think connections and support from 9/11 Truth and the Alex Joneses swirl uneasily with the mainstream electorate (both of which the person I am about to mention is a proponent of), Larouche is just poison. And Larouche responds as one would figure he would.

Ron does stand up on some important matters, but none of the candidates of which I know, including Ron, has yet to express himself effectively on the issues which will determine whether or not our republic still exists in its present constitutional form when January 2009 arrives.
Crack the code, and Larouche is running for president after pretending he’s not, with a draft-movement by his Cult kicking into high gear. He goes through the list of the party he is infiltrating (to rescue it from Howard Dean, who has sold it out to the ‘syncharists’ — also known as the International Jewish Bankers’ Conspiracy).
Some of James Butler’s comments are unintentionally spot on. Such as:

It is time to leave this fake, phony liberal/conservative paradigm in the past because it is dead.
Travelling the high-ways from Trotskyist associations with the SDS on to the anti-semitic Liberty Lobby, and feigning his way through the electoral political spectrum from there. Yes. He has certainly moved beyond the “phony liberal/conservative paradigm”.

Apparently, Mr. LaRouche believes that the US will be in a state of total anarchy in less than 2 years. Scary stuff here, folks.

More “scary ha ha” than “scary uh oh”. It’s been an article of faith for Larouche for the past 40 years. Don’t pay any mind to it.
Now do you understand why I posted that Ron Paul supporter comment on “last hope”? Help me Obe Won Kenobi. It’s a thin line; be weary of it.