The headline: West Virginia car dealer, son of US rep files pre-candidacy for governor…

Seeing the image accompanying the story and I am thinking — Huh. West Virginia is more Progressive than I thought.

Apparently on the verge of either a Civil War or a Nazi take-over. If I read this this right, it is because Joe Manchin has blockaded the elderly Joe Biden’s big budget program, thus alienating the youth and leaving them to move to Fascism and Communism. Woe to the alternate universe where the Republicans had won the Georgia senate seats at the top of the year so Mitch McConnell would have successfully blockaded the elderly Joe Biden’s earlier big budget program that Manchin let sail through in our reality. Then the youth — who usedta tolerate the aging President but now hate him — would be going even further right than the Fascists and even further left than the Communists. Which is about what this guy is advocating… I think?

The great hope to avoid the disaster apparently lies in the resurrection of Hillary Clinton as Hail Mary last gasp candidate in 2024. There lay a faint weep in the politico editorial to this affect — like, no one thinks this will work, but it is all we gots. Anyways, Hillary Clinton delivered parts of her planned victory speech… For everyone… interested…

I want to hear Dukakis’s speech next!

So, Trump churning about … The Jan 6th events to turn into the equivalent of the Beer Hall Putsch if successful…

Or so you gander from Trump’s ruminations on what stood in his way that day…

Or maybe as the National Review thinks… Apathy will defeat the coming hordes. Allegiances drawn away from politicos and toward… Individual pursuits. Mixed Martial Arts and Beyonce. Something.

(…)

I suppose your Seattle Seahawks fan half wishes to just have the season cancelled altogether — yeah, half of the Rams team was out on covid and they came this close to getting an easy win by forfeiture! — but then rescheduling for Tuesday and… Here on a “wintry mix Sunday”, where not wanting to venture out — watching professional football becomes appealing enough — but that Seahawks game is off the table…

Hey!  Even if the team is only slightly in a playoff picture remember: They are ALL exhibition games.

In this day and age where the Internet makes these broadcast map schedules meaningless, and I am a click away from seeing any damned game, this still presents curiousities:

Tuesday brings two games at the same time — and it is understandable that Seahawks / Rams is thrown to the West and Eagles / Football Team is thrown at the East, but then come the exceptions.  I see that the St Louis area still gets Rams games — residual support from when the team was located there just a few years’ back.  We see Green Bay, Detroit, and Cleveland get the west game — I do not know — maybe they figure Detroit still wants to see their old quarterback play.  I figure New Mexico gets dragged into the NFC East market by way of deciding they want the teams most directly fighting Dallas.

So, what I am left with… What I want to know is… That small strip at the top of Wyoming.  And odd hat in Western Nebraska?  Are there a couple of small colleges with a player on one of those NFC East teams?

This parody from the conservative / right-wing Babylon Bee — paralleling some plot points of GK Chesterson’s Man Who Was Tuesday as well an Onion article on media undercover in the Kim — initially lands on a kind of “funny, but not particularly germane to the real.” Or — the January 6th capitol incursion and Michigan governor kidnapping plots were not FBI projects, so screw this.

On second glance, though, the grand event from last summer– I am having some trouble recalling precisely what it was but it was supposed to be a gathering of mean jerks on Washington — does slide easily into this “FBI project” narrative. But I suspect it was done so on purpose — the FBI kept its fingerprints all over in plain sight to discourage the 1/6 ers from taking part — which they all did, with a lot of internet social media calling it out — a disruption move from Intelligence and a conspiracy’s conspiracy.

The problem of the day comes in listening to the Election day podcast of the Babylon Bee with guest Jonah Goldberg chiming in that Trump isn’t Hitler — and he will leave after the likely presidential loss peacefully –we won’t have a private “Downfall” speech. He spoke too soon. What you have to watch right now is round about here.:

Finally, not only is Trump endorsing earlier in national races, but he’s also backing candidates in state-level elections, particularly for secretary of state.

Trump has endorsed candidates for secretary of state — a state’s top election official — in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan. This is an unusually niche endorsement for a president to make; Trump didn’t endorse in any secretary of state primaries in 2018, for instance. But the logic here is clear: These three secretaries of state in question refused to overturn the 2020 presidential result in their states, and Trump is now attempting to fill these positions with officials who baselessly think the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him.

Is this enough for an alternate counting designation in these states to slide in as electors with 2024’s q-shaman serving as enforcer? Lordy hell. And here it appears to take less shamelessness on Trump’s part — an admission of defeat — to get to that dramatic meme deployed speech… Not in keeping with future political strategy.

Within the comments section of am-con on an article on the major issue dominating all political opinion sites this week — Abortion — I find one deploying a productive use of conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory being a useful tool for working out counter- historical narratives and financing the various political crowds winds at work in the culture.:

Back in the 1970s, a few years after the Roe decision, I heard a rumor that the case came about because of a conspiracy by the usual shadowy elites to bypass the legislative process and slap nationwide abortion rights into place by judicial fiat, because they were in a hurry, because they were scared. What they were scared of was another conspiracy, this one by radical feminists, to create a network of underground clinics offering safe, low-cost or free abortions and other gynecological services that were either illegal or difficult to get through the medical establishment, served up with a dose of radical politics. This would have been around 1971, during the raging heat of the anti-Vietnam War movement. Radical political groups such as the Weather Underground had demonstrated an ability to run rings around law enforcement. The elites supposedly feared that these underground clinics, which had political indoctrination as their real purpose, would be effective enough to tip the balance and bring about revolution. They hoped that, just as the repeal of Prohibition crippled organized crime by making alcohol a legitimate retail business again, so the legalization of abortion would cripple the radicals.

Now let’s imagine that it was all true and that the spiritual granddaughters of those radical feminists of fifty years ago still have those plans, keeping them updated to allow for things like social media and the morning after pill, ready to activate when abortion is outlawed. Roe is reversed this year. How is the abortion situation going to look five years from now? How is the political situation going to look? Assuming that, between moral suasion and increased conscientiousness about birth control, only a quarter of a million American women are receiving abortions and political indoctrination at these underground clinics (as opposed to the upwards of 600,000 who got legal abortions in 2016, the most recent year for which Wikipedia has data). What will the political spectrum look like?

Dipping into the electoral effects and meaning of public opinions — one where an ease toward the word “extremist” to describe political opinions held by many a friendly neighbor or relative, so became a hard edged sword that to bandy about “leads to suspicion of mere pandering” —

We are left right now with a lot of cries of “Legitimacy of the court will be destroyed” warning with that looming court ruling — and this beings to mind a question of wanting to sync up polling data on the court with previous unpopular rulings. 1962’s Engel v. Vitale — the end of school prayer — had an approval roughly according to what polls suggest on Roe v Wade — maybe? Data becomes oddly wishy-washy, and mostly you see people just wanting to affirm general impressions — for Roe we really do have a kind of “ugh. Good enough.”. This graph for this century on opinions relating to the Court with a ” good enough” for calling in “legitimacy” (numbers are on approval / disapproval)– The only thing I can note is that right at the top — 2001 — people mad at “Bush v Gore” figured not much at all in driving the numbers down, but there was something that crashed the Institution in 2005 and 2012.

I do suspect the ruling lands on over-rated. It scrambled partisan political coalitions, perhaps, but it was Nation writer Katha Pollit who hypothized “we woukd be right where we are now” absent the ruling in terms of procedure and practicalities. So, in postulating a “post Roe” nation of even more uneven Abortion coverage in the nation — the symbolism for the oppression of things needs to happen be updated– there are no “coat-hangers”, unless you can say the coat-hangers are in ” pill form”. Makes for an odd image for signage — less clear cut.

Skipping the very some variations of wonder and schaudenfreude expressed at divisions and splintering in the conspiracy corner of qanon — which basically land on one party walking away to protect their grift from the other party’s grift — none of this is anything much more than gawking at the unfortunate figures of Lin Wood and Michael Flynn.

Moving to something a little less puzzlement is warranted even as there is some puzzlement and wonder on some permutations — the after case moves of Rittenhouse, and here I sense the need to maintain a political context leaves some people blinded. See it expressed here:

I have to confess, I can’t figure Kyle Rittenhouse out. One minute, his lawyers are repeatedly throwing out a Tucker Carlson film crew. The next minute, Rittenhouse is sitting down for an interview with Carlson, and is traveling to Mar-a-Lago to meet Trump.

Whatever the case, it looks like one element of the deplorable world is turning hard on one of its latest heroes. Apparently the QAnon world that Rittenhouse dared speak ill of one of its top luminaries—his former lawyer, Lin Wood. It turns out that Rittenhouse and Wood are currently in a legal battle over the money raised to get Rittenhouse out on bail last year.

This here is kind of the story behind the Rittenhouse case in a micro-cosm.

And when the shoe fits —

Attorney Lin Wood said he’ll sue Mark Richards, Kyle Rittenhouse’s attorney, after he called him an “idiot” on CNN on Friday, Newsweek reported.

In an interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo, Richards said he and Wood “went head-to-head” and Wood would probably sue him. He said Wood was an “idiot” for letting Rittenhouse talk to The Washington Post while he was charged with homicide.

Richards said he was concerned that Wood and attorney John Pierce were “basically trying to I think whore this kid for money, for their own causes.”

“They kept him in Illinois to fight an extradition that was unwinnable cause they were raising tons of money on him,” Richards said.

The marker of a Trumpian attorney, or anyone so closely aligned with Trump — she was in it for herself, ready with a political fight and moving into a political fight. Rittenhouse’s winning attorney knew to de-politicize the thing — the facts were on his side if not the politics — and provided better service to his client.

The next part of the equation is either more or less simple. The attorney is saying the right things — professional person after all, where Rotten house sends mixed signals — but then again, he is a mixed person at a rather strange crossroads — what can you expect? The choice of getting interviewed by Tucker Carlson easily defendable as getting your story out via the most friendly interviewer you can — Rittenhouse has no duty to get drilled with loaded questions from Rachel Maddow. He will say things a sector of the populace will not believe either way. His stop over Trump is a tad bit harder to square as relatively apolitical, but if a President wants to meet you, who will deny the meeting?

You move into the revelations. His damning photo with the Proud Boys, I gather a clouding for a lot of people to not step back from that “white supremacist on the rampage” storyline — gets shunted off to a set-up. The dastardly Lin Wood again — take the money and run in pulling up a cause celebre.

Most amusing is his claim to have been enthralled with Andrew Yang. Both believable and not verifiable — he wishes to paint himself out of the Trump orbit and is giving a realistic explainer on how politics sometimes operates — skip from Nader to Dean to Ron Paul to … Whoever expresses threads of discontent. It is a political type. Does this mean anything to the radicals at the college he is taking courses from who want him not to get educated? Of course not, but they are not tractable.

Dipping about in more fixed commentary, and it is hard to become depressed.

Nicholas Sandmann, a high school student from Kentucky who sued media outlets for their depiction of his interaction – wearing a Maga cap – with a Native American activist on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington also came to personify grievances on the right.

Sure. Largely stemming out of an inaccurate media depiction of the incident. Today’s continued comments from his fifteen minutes of fame show him to be as tiresome as activist David Hogg — I have no idea if Rotten house has any ground to sue for defamation, but if he does this is the trap that awaits him.

This poses an interesting question.

Kathleen Belew, a historian of American white power movements and author of Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America, argues that the fact that Rittenhouse’s trial is being read as a victory by more mainstream components of the right has the potential to serve as a rallying cry for increased militant vigilantism against US racial justice protesters.

Justice is blind, and the proper answer in litigating the issues to this problem is a shrug and a “So–?”. If it makes up for it, the author for this Guardian interview is able to put in a caveat that militant vigilantes will come right up against the law and find it does not cover them.

Her historical purview is interesting round about here —

The thing that we have to remember is that first of all, the idea of the lone wolf came from the white power movement in the 1980s with the express purpose of confusing everybody about what this movement was. It follows an action called “leaderless resistance” that is effectively cell-styled terror and both of those things are meant to direct public attention away from what it is, which is just an interconnected social movement.

I have seen JFK Conspiracy tropes from the 60s and 70s mock the “lone gunman” line, so this trope moves back past the 80s bad guys. But things get entangled — thread the Yang to Trump and out with Gosar knocking and pulling him in on his door if the radicals succeed in getting him kicked out of their university.

And this gets us stuck… The dilemma of contemporary political discoursing, everything outside one Overton window set ready to get flicked aside as parroting someone sinistet… 

The “media” has changed. Russia and China are stirring the pot and brainwashing many of propaganda to slant the truths—to create huge dissention .

This according to ex FBI person who studies this……

When roughly half of “influence” comes from outside —then democracy has a problem.

“Divide & conquer: A sample of 32,315 pro-Rittenhouse hashtag tweets, Nov 19-20, showed 29,609 with disabled geolocation. Of those, 17,701 were listed as “foreign”, but a deep scrub revealed most of those were in Russia, China, and the EU. “

Down this lay a kind of insta-verdict when confronted by someone with opposing views… I lie on the right side, and there must be something evil bringing you to the wrong side.

I. Plato Playdo

Something worth dipping at with this Daniel Burke tweet: The only real way to fix the “gender” problem in the youth today is to initiate a new CCC. Give young people the opportunity to gain stable, productive employment (w/associated education benefits) building megaprojects of infrastructure. In that context, they can flourish. Can’t quite follow. Are stereotypical Sissy boys equipped for this hard hat duty? I suppose manly women may be.

I had been listening to selecions from the lecture series of Michael Segure found on youtube. — at 1.5 or even 1.75 speed because — to a degree I am only interested in picking up themes popping up in human history and because no one is giving me a pop quiz tomorrow. Relevant to the world of Larouche are the series on Plato — yep! Good fodder for your “Me for Dictator” types, or for a cult “Us for Dictator”. Here I gauge a kind of envy of power — someone somewhere is listening to the ” pronoun police” and not them, damnedit! Relegate these social justice warriors to silver souls, and LORG back up to their proper place of philosophy kings…

The other relevant lecture for the field of Larouche, perhaps more so in its volitility on our politics, is the one on the Frankfurt School. A can of worms indeed.

We have some further sentiments here: /r/antiwork is a typical attack on the very idea of productivity. Organized cynicism is the prerequisite for fascism. As hyperinflation increases, will the youth demand more money be printed, or will they demand Glass-Steagall & megaprojects of infrastructure? I don’t suppose the internet is full of subreddits and tiny segments of segments.

Points to be made here: moment when I recently read that larouche supplied intelligence to the psoe governments during the 80’s which was then used by the government sponsored death squads to target eta (needless to say more innocent people died than actual eta members)

Apocalypsis Apocalypseos sharpens his anti-Larouche bonfires by passing on a dumb quote showing how stunningly wrong his forecasting was. “There’s no possible way that the present int’l monetary-financial system could be continued without collapsing civilization into a prolonged new dark age out of which most nations will disappear & human population will drop rapidly to below 1 billion.” — Lyndon LaRouche (2001). Did not come to pass.

Yet, failed predictions that would make Toffler blush gets us nowhere. At least Ron Paulites can successfully sell a shirt.

Noted hypothesis on the less than Dark Ages inflationary troubles of the moment: due to inflation, orchestras must now tune to an A at 457.3 hz. LaRouche Movement in shambles

Har Dr har — my extremely accurate intelligence report (lyndon larouche’s journals from the 80s) say that steve bannon will be assassinated in his holding cell on november 6th

A quote about gold and silver souls —

Over with LPAC, I must note a contradiction here: Democrats Fail to Explain the Inflation They Are Deliberately Feeding The floundering Biden Administration continued in early November to add to the perception that no one is really in charge in Washington, while otherwise acting deliberately to further.. If Democrats are acting deliberately to accomplish inflation… For nefarious purposes, I guess… And the deed is successful… How is this “floundering”? (They can only be ” floundering” if the goal is “not inflation”, or they are trying for Inflation but Inflation just isn’t happening.). Is this the situation where they are aiming for a ” Darks Ages Inflation”, and because they are falling far short that counts as a failure/ flailing? Round here, the application of the term ” Mussolini” for “Mussolini Joe” hits against a “can’t … Follow”.

Actually, there is something to note in comparing LPAC with LORG — at least as it goes with the Twitter feeds of Ben Denison and Daniel Burke. Denison, wearing his “Let’s Go Brandon” cap, pulls into MAGA politics of the moment and takes in some of the low brow patois — firmly populist in tone — needing to comment on a comment on the Rittenhouse judge. Probably not dissing the Greenwald “Proud to be an American” song, as Burke has — probably not differentiating with everything in proclaiming Popular music” is not other than a Dionysiac zero-growth cult created by the financial oligarchy to induce mass pessimism. And… Huh: The British Monarchy wants you to watch Netflix. Curious, as I was primed and ready for the sensational new horror series — The Wells of Doom. Anyway, it is an expansive definition of evil music which needles right at this classical music fan.

LPAC and LORG differences noted, with one line about who remains as cadres. Former members show up on youtube shows, hard to think of Chairman as “former member”..

II. China, China, China

I find this response to a slickly produced video by the Chinese government fascinating. The definition of selling the sizzle, not the steak — you put a few gleams on the film and rotate around at the top of the skyscrapers a bit, and it gets Daniel Burke drooling. The techno music he despises can not be separated from the overall presentation. Here Burke loves a pile of phrases from Chairman Xi. Yeah, if one likes that they would love the Weird Al song parody of Crosby Stills and Nash and corporate jargon.

Kidding or not? I just want huge residential skyscrapers with flashy lights It does amount to what the clip shows — nothing more and nothing less.

Oh, here is Chinese propaganda du jour — Chinese media brings us some “Western Perspective” on Chinese Democracy from the like of… Helga Zepp. Helga effectively playing the role Ahmad Chalabi played in our relations with Iraq during the Bush era in … Telling government officials what they wanted to hear and so getting promoted as foreign source.

Hm. Profound words on the not ending of history from Chairman Xi. The Larouche org stands at the beck and call to assist China in not ending history.

Getting to the meat of the issue, and how does one take such a query seriously?: Can a society whose youth spend most of their time masturbating successfully end imperial wars of conquest? Surely not. Seriously, whether there is a problem or not — even the most chronic masturbators are not doing so 8 hours a day.

Daniel Burke calls for censoring some unlistenable disagreeable podcast. Oddly, the most prominent issue displayed is “ICE must be destroyed” — a level of cognitive dissonance where through the Obama years what I saw from the Larouche organization — the commenter who used to frequent this blog as well the Kesha Rogers campaigns — woulda been on board with that statement, whatever the pronoun politics placed elsewhere.

Apparently the sources Helga goes to for supportive agreement of her economic platform — Lew rockwell, anachro-capitalist of the Mises/ Ayn Rand / Ron Paul vortex. Meantime, a blistering attack on Biden for provoking China from an aging Noam Chomsky which parallel the cult’s views — are ignored.

As for LPAC — it is notable where lpac responds when someone places them in with the stance of Epoch Times — not arguing that they are aligned in propagating war propaganda against China, but arguing technicalities on the formation of lpac.

Point: So I saw someone doing the standard Xinjiang denailism shit and I was like on a suicide net socialist and I was stunned to discover no it was a Larouchite, which is absolutely wild given that the Larouchites are the most Fedded up org in history. AND: Every time I find an actual LaRouche person on the internet it feels like I’m seeing a cryptid

III. Yelling Stuff at the Vice President

There is a mocking tweet out there, commemorating the parade for the WNBA champion Chicago Fire, with “Tens” greeting the team. We see too various comments on the protesting of Dave Chapelle and Netflix, with “Dozens” of activists in attendance.

So goes a speaking appearance by Kamala Harris in the Bronx. One Larouchie,. Then a few immigration activists outside. The good news for the Laouchie is he gets mentioned first — I guess it is what you get for breaking protocol — though my gauge is the activists outside end up making a better more permanent impression — I know everyone knows what their issue is with the Biden / Harris administration where the Larouchie leads everyone to assume Harris mollified by agreeing with that first issue, the second more obscure bit never gaining any traction.

Cant believe I missed a chance to check out the new YMCA & see Kamala get heckled by a LaRouche guy. You snooze you lose, I guess.

This reporter tweets as much on the interrupter’s point as anyone does: Harris gets heckled in the Bronx. He says people died from flooding here, then said something about her working with China on the belt and road initiative.

Sputnik gives the most favorable coverage, even if it fails to say anything of what the Larouchie was promoting. Spectrum News does not mention China — drowned out as it gets. Ditto this here. Ditto 1010 WINS, which gives the immigration protests more coverage. Interesting framing here — Although elected officials lauded Harris’ visit, it was not all smooth sailing, however. She faced roadblocks both inside and outside of the YMCA. 

With The Hill we finally get that second Harris not in any agreeance policy objective —

The man in the audience interrupted Harris mid-sentence while she was talking about “better health, better jobs and about families” to state that better infrastructure would have stopped people drowning in their basements in Queens during Hurricane Ida earlier this year.

Harris briefly engaged with the man, telling him, “you are right, brother” and adding “you and I will talk after I give my comments, and I am happy to talk with you.”

The man responded with “Why aren’t we [U.S.] working with the Chinese on their Belt-and-Road initiative?” 

Harris said, “But right now, let’s talk about the agenda that will include speaking to all people and allowing everybody to be heard, because that’s part of what we want in our democracy. Everybody gets their chance to talk and everybody gets a chance to be heard.”

The heckler was escorted out by security.

To the comments: Yes that comment was pretty absurd. China probably is paying him… Or he could just be some level of nutty in the head like Alex Jones.

Very weird conspiracy theories hitting The New York Post tweet comments: Planted by the Ds. Oddly, this conservative paper — giving a slant more favorable to the Parody his than anyone short of Sputnik — does not hit that second BRIC part.

The Hill’s Twitter feed fills up with Democratic partisans lauding Harris for handling him well and comparing her handling with Trump’s, Republican partisans claiming A disconnect between hearing him and removing him or possibly claiming martyr status or theorizing he was a plant. Both Jose Vega and Apoc. Apoc show up as well, but gain little traction.

… The YouTube interview with Caleb Maupin gets comments from — hm… A Chicago activist who uses a hashtag of “AbolishThePolice”. A dude who throws out “Marxism-Hamiltonism could be a good platform for the US”.

More feedback on Vega: Having China help us is like listening to The Kanamits in that old “Twilight Zone” episode where aliens came to Earth with a plan “To Serve Man” which turned out to be a cookbook. NYC is on the Atlantic ocean and just 33 feet above sea level. Unless Biden’s infrastructure bill can significantly raise the city’s elevation, NYC will always be at risk from flash flooding. As much as I want to say hes a paid actor like the you tube kids were, hes one of those hipster college green kids.. So anythings possible.

The oddest thing on LPAC and its pro forma coverage of Republican victories in Election 2021 — a big focus on Seattle municipal elections where…basically, everyone who was expected to win won. I suppose the person headlining their Twitter with “free J6 Prisoners”, in league with recent comments by Marjorie Taylor Greene (though she serves more toward Farrakhan), sides with LPAC over LORG.

IV. Memories

Saw LaRouche folks outside the post office in my hometown a few years back, was a real let down. Just boring “stand behind our president” stuff; was clear they were ruined by Trump like Alex Jones was. We want fun crank shit! Lecture me on tuning! Tell me the queen’s a lizard!

Yeah, about ten years ago I came across a group on my Uni campus with Hitler stache obamas on their placard. Their opening pitch was to build a massive pipeline from the Great Lakes to desert southwest. I don’t think they were successful. (refresher)

I remember one used to be able to get these little Larouche PAC newspapers back around 2010 or so? I had a small collection of of about 3 of them. The first one I got was called smthing like “Your Kids, First-Person Shooters and the Noosphere”. I ended up finding another couple. No idea where they are currently, but I did manage to find this in a used bookstore a couple years ago which somewhat makes up for having potentially lost them. Dang I miss that Children of Satan one… Larouchies brought it right to me on the street. lol really?! That’s pretty great. I remember I got the first pamphlet because someone just had it. I flipped thru it and was like “holy crap, can I *have* this? And they were like “of course, I have no idea what that is”. The other 2 I think I found in a plastic free news box

I saw Lyndon LaRouche getting frog marched out of his office when I was 7 by the Feds in Leesburg. Only bit of true crime bragging I can do

I remember when I was in highschool outside the post office there was a booth like this, and a big poster of Obama with a Hitler stache. I told them they should’ve used Stalin instead of Hitler since he was a left wing dictator. Wonder if that was LaRouche or tea party

My great aunt gave all her money to Lyndon LaRouche

it’s september 2009, i’m walking down a city street and i see a poster with a picture of obama dressed as the joker, with the word communist underneath it i make an offhanded comment to a friend of mine that the joker isn’t a communist a woman jumps out of a car to debate me

I can’t fit it all in one thread, but the LaRouchite Western Civ professor who had the rest of the faculty convinced he was a time traveler is still my #1. I had a teacher I figured out years later was a LaRouche nut because everything he talked about always ended up being the queen of England’s fault. Not England, or the empire – Personally her fault.

Going into the city as a young teen I knew I could get two things. Larouche pamphlets. And free packs of cigarettes on the spot. Usually on the same corner.

Not wholly sure what this means: The LaRouche cult connected post offices with some sort of conspiracy. I can’t even remember. Glad that’s pretty much gone. They were at post offices, but I do not know that post offices figured in the grand conspiracy.

Some sort of Squid Game/anti-Moderna confused protest in Kendall Sq this morning. Another thing I forgot I missed by not coming into the office. (Though the Lyndon Larouche fans who used to be here on occasion can stay away…)

The LaRouche-oid doing a propaganda table at LaGuardia, the one who was later punched by Phil Donohue, once screamed at me from behind his table as I walked away in 1984 after I mentioned I was a Green.

Somewhere out there there’s a video of me awkwardly in the background as my friend gets angry at a Lyndon LaRouche guy passing out pamphlets in Portland in ‘14

I remember LaRouche in the 80’s in an infomercial right before Johnny Carson,and my husband and I laughing thinking it was a comedy routine.

Don’t understand the random detail, but whatever. I vote for whomever is the best candidate. I don’t do party line. Hell I voted for Clinton. I refused to vote for McCain. I met him and talked to him while Larouche folks were outside. The veins in his head were just twitching. Not a good thing to have as President.

Biggest mistake I ever made was grabbing a larouche pamphlet for laughs and locking eyes with the guy running the table. A professor tried to get me to join a group borne out of LaRouche’s insanity. My dad was a super mellow person, but one time we stopped at a traffic light and were approached by a LaRouche guy, and holy hell did my dad get super aggressive. He GROWLED at the guy to get away from us. Scared the crap out of 10 year old me. I’ve never forgotten it. (continuing reactions to a sign…)

one of the most pretentious people* i went to high school with became a hardcore larouche table guy at some point and later became a DJ and i have this fear that he’ll discover my records and reach out to reconnect *e.g. B&W “brooding author at shady outdoor table” senior photo

I think a farmer interviewed in that doc about the small MN town in 1985 may have been a LaRouche guy because he goes on about how the markets are controlled by Jewish ppl but then throws the curveball of “they’re getting the President to enact their reactionary ideology.”

I had an uncle involved in that Linden LaRouche wacko political group. They felt strongly about a man named Mortimer Bloomfield. Got some cigarette-dropping reactions from the people of that era they confronted. I’m clueless myself, but it’s an fun net search, I’ll say that.

Leftists pondering entryism in forming coherent movements: As an old (very) veteran of the “Labor Left” it used to be that the biggest challenge in keeping mass movements viable were vanguard organizations like Workers World and RCP. Sure we had our kooks like Larouche but they didn’t show up at organizing meetings. they’ve shown up at leftist meetings here for a long time – LaRouche and Liberty Lobby specifically. why do you think they didn’t in the UK and why the change?

Meeting people met online in real world: When I acted like a friendly doofus, the only people who let me in the door were basically incel honeypots (right and left); when I started acting cagey and weird, I got to hang with Rastafarians and Rosicrucians and Crips and Kabbalists and LaRouchies &c

V. Comparisons

Josh Mandel. Rod of Iron Ministries, Or Moonies generation 2, specific to the relocation to Northern Virginia in the Reagan years. A killer in Columbo. Leftruckis, in German Pedestrian zones. Luther. (Links regrettably list for these next three) — Dinesh D’Souza. Bill Maher. Dave Chapelle supporters. Richard Dawkins, with facile political analysis. “Tankie Twitter“, with the odd complaint that there is no singular leader. ” Real P Navarro“, in his figurative face. CNP and CFP. the writings of the Shining Path. Rick Wiles. Andrew Yang. Ayn Rand. Joe Manchin. Marcyites. Roger Stone, familiar reasoning generally thrown at Donald Trump. The Lincoln Project. University of Austin — dove tailing or paralleling this line on CRT. (And a too hazy in its historical connecting WAPO editorial.). Average New Hampshirite. Gilbert Thibodeau. Tulsi “inflating inflation hawk” Gabbard, Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman, John Silber. Racist anarcho-capitalists. The “New Asset Class“. Anti vaxx ” Star of David” wearers. Michael Brian Protzman — ” qanon influencer” who lead people to Dallas to meet Zombie JFK. The media depiction of Kyrie Irving on his “flat earther”-ism vs ” never noted” lines for Aaron Rodgers — accusation of racial bias, unpack at will. Aaron Rodgers again. Haz. Going full Larouchie. (apparently getting tweets thrown at him by lingerie models who traffic in crude vulgar phrasings.). QAnon quantity.

conspiracy theories on Qanon conspiracy theories — Does anyone not think QAnon is a deep state operation after the ridiculous gathering earlier this month? Some of them never left and are waiting there to discredit the truth about JFK on the 22nd.

it plays the same function as larouche or david icke

QAnon is a newer, bigger version of Kerry Thornley’s Operation Mindfuck… an op designed to discredit reasonable suspicions of state criminality

And when @TrueAnon did their Larouche episodes, they pointed out how the Larouchies were reporting on the Franklin Scandal… There’s a whole genre of CIA conspiracies to discredit conspiratorial thinking using the “turd in the punch bowl” technique.

The perils if no one runs for a political party for a Senate seat unlikely to be won.

Caleb Maupin again — Caleb Maupin started a political cult last year and they put on the most weird demonstrations, like a pale imitation of the old LaRouche gigs. And again. (Hm… Maoist rhetoric for this … Thisathingy.)

It gets curious as Communist Partiers tweet their disdain for Maupin — At least the LaRouche people had money as an incentive. You morons got suckered in for free. That’s a new one for all those rich Larouche rank and file members. (skeletons.)

Envisioning online mash-ups of subcultures with Larouche ideology.

Qanon. 2021: risking getting radicalized into qanon every time i need groceries 2001: risking getting radicalized into Lyndon LaRouche thought every time i need groceries

Infrared is the inheritor of Lyndon LaRouche In a few years time he will be on stream teaching his viewers how to beat up CPUSA members and trots with Nunchuks and talking about the Aristotelian dominance of the global order

Alex Jones supporter brings up comparison with Larouche court cases. (Jones makes no such connection, preferring at the moment to tag along with a “same George Soros people who tried to get Rittenhouse” are doing him dirty line.)

Julian Assange supporters, forced in tying with Rittenhouse verdict responses. Ascribing to political Enemies — this case Tom Cotton –– For some reason this reminded me of LaRouchies bragging that they will be driving tanks down the streets of Chicago a couple of decades ago.

The “this is larouchian!” jibe which is thrown a couple of times to a First Things article praising maligned musical instruments strikes me as the “once you’ve decided someone is an a-hole” line — or I just do not see how this one

VI. History

In LaRouche’s 1983 book, LaRouche: Will This Man Become President?, he lays out his belief that Watergate was a conspiracy by the Deep State (Kissinger and the IPS) to oust Nixon..

Daniel Burke thumps in — To love the Roman Empire is to love zero-growth.

On the Unabomber tract –– anyone who argues frustration on the powers of Facebook in molding culture is arguing a version of that terrorists argument.

“briefly influential in China in 1996″.

And on Op Mop Up —

Leftist infighting isn’t just an online thing. It’s real life and only those on the ground understand that. Lindon LaRouche’s “Operation Mop-Up” is a prime example of this. No it is not.

For the life of me I have no goddamned idea what is “Hooverism“, and a Google search for the term solely brings me to the ” ideology” of the President who… Not the worst, not the best, some more continuity with the guy the followed than most want to consider… but altogether I associate not at all with “fascism” so the whole tweeted thesis becomes garbled meaninglessness… Unless someone wants to give me a different Hoover or explicate that one.

Larouche is the only trot i respect because he became a patriot and sent his warriors to attack the Trots with nunchaku

The battle against Foucault. Foucault, for his part, was interrupted by a member of Lyndon Larouche’s National Caucus of Labor Committees, who accused him of being paid by the CIA — and received the retort that he himself must be working for the KGB. Somewhat stunned, and furious with Lotringer, the three French thinkers, joined by Lyotard, took refuge in the Chelsea hotel where they were staying, and refused to play any more part in this ‘last countercultural event

Hard to argue with things that are simply inaccurate — He took over the Libertarian party for a while. He was oddly Keynesian though. Believed in big work projects a la FDR. Dipping into why this is wrong requires more full scale deep diving into internal politics of the Libertarian Party and its hierarchies than I am willing — but it strikes me as utterly wrong on the face of it. At the very least we have a misdirection. On the Libertarian policy prescriptions — I gather some overlap on the Day Nixon took us off the Gold Standard — but beyond this Carl Osgood letter, I await the recruitment drives that focus on it. Tends to get buried on page 2, interspersed with long lists of Jewish surnames as Enemies.

Which led to the American Stalinists and Trotskyists for some time setting up joint security forces to defend themselves against the attacks of the LaRouche fascists.

Recalling why Larouche supported the Clintons from 1993 until 2008. One supporter of the thesis of the time — it was Al Gore who sucked. Part of this narrative, I guess.

Extra Bonus Fun Fact: When discussing his indictment years later, Lyndon LaRouche, the infamous defendant, quoted Stepdad Smooth’s assertion that he a setup by the U.S. Government.).

More fun! Spent a 15 minute car ride just saying “I’m Lyndon LaRouche from the National Caucus of Labor Committees” over and over again trying to get his voice down. I requested his FBI file immediately after his death. Still have not received it.

Incorrect — Larouchies did not come close to winning those Illinois seats. Also the year was 1986, not 1980.

October 27, 1996 — a red letter day in the history of the Larouche org.

On the Straussian bit — Throwback to the 2000’s–deranged leftoids had theories Bush WH was being run by “Straussians” and a neoNazi conspiracy involving Carl Schmitt (“Hitler’s lawyer”–quote from mainstream article btw). In response, Straussoids like William Kristol and others, enhanced these rumors. It’s much more flattering to be thought of as a master conspirator and eminence grise than the reality (in this case, intellectual equivalent of yentas’ night reading group in Buffalo NY). Second, for someone who makes a living as spokesmouth and fundraiser, it’s a PR benefit. Wasn’t it also spread by LaRouche followers ?

A good deal of conspiracy theories ticked off.

Possibly. The larouchies and fascist ops here have always pretty good info, skewed in the same fashion, because they’re not actually researching, hypothesizing, analyzing and synthesizing, but getting memos from the horse’s mouth giving them tasks in a scientific pr program

my thalamus gathers the rest of my brain cells into an auditorium. it clears its throat and speaks into the mic: “lyndon larouche”. the audience immediately riots and i suffer a microstroke

Is this why Lyndon LaRouche, shill for the right-wing Opus Dei faction of the Catholic Church, has so vehemently denounced the Zapatista rebellion?

Clinton (and Bush 2) era Larouchism: According to Lyndon LaRouche there have only been 5 Presidents that weren’t controlled by the Shadow Gov. FDR Kennedy Clinton the other two I can remember. LaRouche is an interesting figure to learn about. They worked hard to discredit him.

Mapping the voting on California’s PANIC initiative. A tad confused by this guy in his surprise that Ron Paul would win the Republican primary in overwhelming black Detroit precints — we are dealing with an impossibly select electorate here and it is easy to imagine the anti-war and drug message resonating against plutocrats Romney and social warrior Santorum, along with a variation of the Thomas Massie lament on seeing his voters sway to Trump — that lament also telling at least part of the story on “the white supremacist“‘s voting habits (and threading needles of support, I gather, why it is hard to get the mind around ” Blacks for Ron Paul”.).

French election wrangling –– You, a French politics nube: “Trotskyites (plural) run for French president! Mon dieu!” Me, not a nube: Lyndon LaRouche has “a man in Paris?” –– Cheminade needs three more elections to tie Arlette Laguiller’s record for runs at President.

Why, if the Shah’s doing it…

Stevenson would have won except for the LaRouche cult — I think the evidence points to the Republican incumbent winning. Be cautious of political motivations inflicting one’s counter history narratives: Nixon woulda likely beaten Robert Kennedy — fer instance.

Hypothetical 1976 Election From Hell.

Lyndon Larouche inherited a shoe company (maybe some other kind of company?) and he invested his fortune in creating a political party — hiring people, recruiting members, putting out newspapers. Details seem pointless, connections to be drawn non-existent.

Listen to podcasts on the history of Morton Downey Jr and Jim Bakker, and one common thread pops in.

The CP-USA faces right-wing entryism threats, and so gets this reference: CPI seemed like LaRouche’s operation Mop up

Dipping about the Christie Institute.

Loudon County’s finest

An interesting exit from conventional thinking on Larouche –– LaRouche praised and was friends with Nahum Goldmann who was president of the World Jewish Congress. He proclaimed openly that Jews [those in support of his ideaology] must wage a relentless war on gentiles. His Spirit of Militarism book is especially telling and supremacist. This against this claim that the man sold out his Nazi principles in 1991.

… First time I heard them described as Fabanist.

Some may suggest Bill Kristol has gone Full Larouche in deploying Henry Clay’s terminology for suggestion for Biden salesjobbing.

How the WWF assassinated JFK.

Recalling old Larouche covers at 9/11 — Bringing us to an article by conspiracists on the demise on the 9/11 Truth Movement, an article that laments the nonstop growth of Jews in the government — and in the comments — a sole Larouchie whips at Tarpley and Jones and keeps a thread line on Larouche causes.

further because Trump would not defend Putin and Russia with a Summit to join the One Belt One Road, as the ultimate counter to the Russiagate lies pushed by the British, and that he allowed the stupid cruise missile stunt against Syria to mar his meeting with President Xi and China, where again he should have made a deal to join the New Silk Road as the manifestation of the policies of President McKinley whom the British Deep State through its Anarchist operatives around Emma Goldman had assassinated.

Right now the front line relative to 9/11 truth is the mass strike potential against the panopticon police state by working to reject Covid pandemic as a false flag used to introduce the tax WMD’s against the population.

All right. Also worth noting, the WAPO has a feature on the producers of Loose Change — and… Hm… David Icke and Alex Jones figure, but where’s Larouche? As the 9/11 Truth movement grew and evolved, Korey became more aware of the people with outlandish ideas who were gravitating toward their specific project, including some with hard-to-follow conspiracy theories about moon beams and lizard people … And, okay — have fun wading into the comments section for this one!

Looksee on that which bothers the Larouchies…

The big tuning battles.

The source of all animus toward Ayn Rand —

VII. Podcast-A-PALOOZA

Free Thought Prophet — available at youtube and any number of places. Begin the topic at 7:50… Play at 1.75 speed as we trample uninterestingly over familiar ground you can find about on wikipedia…

Here in Virginia, Larouche supporters used to set up tables at the DMV when I went or my license renewal to raise campaign money.

How it is sold:

This is me making silly jokes about Lyndon LaRouche, absolute communist fascist psycho.

“anti-Semitic Lasers” is an allusion to Marjorie Taylor Greene, but these things get roughed up into one giant pile. Do post Dune Frank Herbert books bring up this same motif?

… And maybe we can slow down things at 15 minutes for a few cracks at inconsistencies and commentary on when things get serious… Reasonably interesting observation on the nature of FBI files around 25 minutes… They have some good fun in dramatically reading from Larouche classics about 35 minutes. 54 and a half minutes in and we find the space laser commentary — 1:12 minutes gets us to some Trump era politics and with the mention of Gary Kasparov, I can actually suggest you turn to the interview with Reason .

Another Podcast for note — “What a Week” plucks Cade Levinson up as he organizes. His Twitter feed description has it —

Lead Theorist of Kanye West Thought ~ Organizer @LaRoucheOrg

Another splintering coming up? One holds onto Chairman Xi, another Donald Trump (despite no reciprocality), and this new faction can go to Kanye West.

… Or, the forth splinter: Eric Adams — a Canadian variant. One, two, three, many Larouche movements!

This podcast is worth a listen to figure the current selling for the young generation.

Next up — A communist listens and reviews the latest LORG webcast. Caleb Maupin ever closer into the Larouche orbit –– in that sense the “mutual beneficial alliance” of previous foes is like Alex Jones a decade back.

And another one — “conspiracy” a few years’ old… I do not recall if I listened, so offer no review.

The best and most promising and entertaining podcast Gadfly third party history starts a series — cutting the crap and getting to the origin point for Larouche as picked on nerd digesting philosophy in sophomoric manner as twelve year old, and running through the absurdisms of Marxist party splits.

VIII. Touring

The most notable item on the student paper coverage latest two appearances of Larouchies at Wayne State lie in the taglines. “Jailbait” is just kind of nonsensical, unless you want to exaggerate some attempted love affair flirting shown in “Why We Left”. Now we have “Kenneth Kronberg”.

Hey! New public space opening due to troubles in the Spartacist League!

All apologies for some missing material. They will possibly come back up … Next time out.