On November 16, 2009, Lyndon Larouche unveiled a big speech — published on the 18th — entitled “Brainwashed”.  The opening long-winded sentence:  
For those among us with any significant experience with commonplace instances of victims of what is called “brainwashing,” there should have been nothing surprising in the fact that certain former associates of a political association, who had spent as much as decades of their life briefly either in or long-since departed from of that association, should have been changed, by what is appropriately called “brainwashing,” into a decades-long obsession with hatred against me, not for any actual reason of what I might have done to them, but for what they, seemingly without rational intent, attempted to do on behalf of those well-known enemies of mine on which they had come to depend for the fears which controlled a crucial aspect of their personal mental life.
This was part and parcel of an Internal Dilligence campaign: the topic of brainwashing pestered into the cult’s internal and external literature — all of society and all of culture are brainwashed.  One key sign of the brainwashing: everyone who knows anything about Larouche thinks he’s nuts.  It resulted in the membership mindset that resulted in this odd little comment.:
LaRoucheisright said at 11:36 pm on November 24th, 2009:
Cocondeck: LaRouche is leading the fight. So call it what you want. I think anyone who knows about LaRouche and isn’t supporting him at this point is brainwashed, so right back at ya dumb a$$.

An interesting thing about the Holidays and the Larouche org is that in recent years, the org has encouraged, or not discouraged, the LYM membership to touch base with their families, and visit them.  Never mind that the young recruits get an earful in being initiated about getting themselves off of “Mother’s Milk”.  Visit mom and dad, and they just might help defray the costs which encure in their mass deployments.

This “Brainwashing” alerting and warning campaign is a means to innoculate them from the hazards of stepping outside the cult’s bubble.
It’s also worth noting the internal and external literature has been packed with ralings against the members who are doubting in the predictive power of Larouche, coming after the forecast that October 12 would be the Day the world Descends into Armegeddon.  As per usual, the line has shifted to “phase shift”, an allowance to wait the next item of Economic Bad News — which, I gather, they’ll take Dubai for all it’s worth.  What of October 12?  Throw it in the bin with all the Octobers in the past 40 or 50 years.

But this berating of the Doubters in the midst does solve and innoculate another problem with the Thanksgiving Dinner stand by.  If I didn’t know that others were doing such a thing, I might just have to suck it up and survey the past few months of the LYM Basement Team’s presentations, available on youtube as well lpac itself, and see who doesn’t show up after Thanksgiving.  This is common practice, apparently, and a list of people who are “no longer with us” will be read after some Daily Briefing this week when it becomes apparent so and so has not returned.
Another thing you might watch, if so inclined, is to see if some of these LYM presenters have on a new suit.  This would demonstrate something along the lines of nerve wreck mom and dad wanting to help their wayward children out, but not wanting the horror of having their money wander through this cult.

The members coming back after Thanksgiving (the majority, I gather) will be rushed head-long back into World Historic Purposes.  A new Historic webcast, the eleventh of the year, is scheduled — either this week or next, I am not sure.  Whether the Larouchies are or are not a part of the TeaParty Movement (ideological and cause parasites) depends of definitions (and only the most telegenic Hitler Mustache posters are theirs) — and I guess the Larouchie celebre who descended from the morass is running for Congress.  Anyway, the Larouchies have disclaimed this ballast, and gone on to other pastures.  A lone Hitler Mustache holder floats into an “End the Fed” rally.  That’s one part of the Mass strike.  As well they will, in their minds, take over “We Are Change” — by putting their hastling of Al Gore into the historic lineage that brought us the Larouchies hastlings of Henry Kissinger. They and the org’s calling out of the “Nazi Policies” “Worse than Hitler” are responsible for Obama’s approval rating falling to 49 percent, “The Incredibly Shrinking Obama Presidency”.  (Point of order: every president since Johnson has had a period of time when their rating fell into the 30s.  Kennedy probably would have landed there  in his second term sans his assassination, leaving the string to have skipped just Eisenhower in going back to Truman.  And every one of these presidents has had a period of time when their ratings were in the 70s — though, I’ll need to check on that one.)    AND … cue calls of Bush Double standard for this writer’s concern in one… well, actually just one.

For those looking to see if old faces disappear, and if old faces are wearing new clothes… a quick peek see at the comments section of the youtube “Basement” productions… one clipped to this blog.
Tell obama to go fuck himself!!!!!!!!!!! You are an excellent newscaster!! Keep it up, very informative
A veritable Edward R Murrow.  And here’s an incoherent epithet –the word “Boomer”:
Boomer? what’s that now? Is that bad how? —
And how about some of that Wit they pick up in the org?
“So what’s the difference between Obama’s face and his asshole?  Well, when the same thing comes out of both ends, who can tell?”
antonio030562 (4 months ago) 
lighten up! and see beyond the delivery of the message and look to the ultimate agenda…to save you yr family and every one you know…
Your very survival is hanging on the balance and yr winging about what you perceive as inappropriate language…REALLY!

Two other depositories of dumping– “The People’s Voice“, which we’ve seen before.  And Thom Hartmann’s website, weirdly coincidental in that I mentioned him once in relation to uses of Russian media outlets.

Glenn Beck is turning into Lyndon Larouche.  Witness.:

Beck: I told you over a year ago, please read about the Weimar Republic. Read about the end of the Republic of Germany, Weimar, before it fell into the hands of the Nazis. We are facing the same kind of financial questions that they faced! It was unsustainable! And for the first time in American history we started to monetize our debt! That’s when I told you, please read about Weimar, because they did it! And it ends the same way every single time it has been tried.

Larouche has been saying that for the past five decades, though, of course, it comes from a place in conspiratorial fear and is not all that original. In paranoid fantasy right and left, it’s always 5 minutes to Hitler.  But, Beck gets a bit weirder still.  The cadence of the rant that follows does bare a resemblance to the various Larouche items.

Hm.  Regarding the upcoming Rachel Brown campaign to unseat Barney Frank, supposing for a moment that it’d be imagined as Norman Rockwell’s famous painting or maybe we can go with…

Nah.  That gives the campaign too much credit.  According to their lpac releases, where they had “lead a mass strike” in those teaparty protests, they are now “leading a mass strike” in the California University Student protests.  From their literature:

The obstacle throughout all of the actions has been the small-mindedness of leaders and activists alike. The mental disease that exists, preventing the Mass Strike from thinking bigger, must be overcome.

Currently the cult is making a big deal about “Brainwashing” from society.  It’s a tactic of control to force them against the outside world, surely, unaware of their existence, rolling through political revolts of one kind and another without their assistance.  The googling is now showing a very small trickle, probably not worth pointing toward.  But here’s Some bleeding over from the org regarding the tacking back to the focus on “Brainwashing”, from the cult onto the web.

See this forum posting here.
Which, I guess, is this man’s attempt at getting to advocates of Neuro Linguistic Programming.  At first blush, it looks like a cult to me, or money making scam.  Some quick googling shows it to be it reguarly compared to the concepts and techniques of Scientology.  I see some analysis of the construction of the wikipedia article seen here. But I note that when I clipped from this forum, these were the most current hreads on the forum directory.

Is this an example of cult mentality aligning across two different spots?

This caught my attention, LaRouche does a fantastic job of eliciting and exhibiting his own time mapping and time based values… not everyone would agree with him, but this very clearly demonstrates (from one perceptual position) how time awareness shapes identity… LaRouche steps up to the podium about 2 minutes into this presentation..

So what has our Neuro Lingustic Programmed Larouche recommender been saying in these forum parts?

I would add to this that, IME, many NLP people simple lack the stomach to look into the yawning gates of hell. They want a comfy, rosy, conflict free idealized world, like a cozy lounge where they…

That does sound familiar from the Larouche cult, claiming a member is “not up for the fight” and whatever.  But to one item, for “Ritual Abuse” we get this.

WTF is this ? Green Bomb programming ? A google check on this story shows zero confirmation, zero follow up… sounds more like a case of projective psychosis you encounter in the extensive conspiracy/Illuminati/New World Order/Kennedy Assasination/Purity Of Essence/mercury amalgam dental fillings as UFO detectors/giant eyeball in the sky/twitchy paranoia literature…

I don’t even know anymore.
Anyway, that isn’t much, but the only other presence of Larouche I see for the week consists of repostings like this and this and this andHowie G’s blogging.
Also this complimentary comment to this old story.

WickedPissa  WOW! In the Peoples Republic of Newburyport even. My hats off to the protesters, now watch the moonbats comments follow. He is being exposed daily for the fraud he is. I hope we make it until next years midterms.

Recommendation to WickedPissa: Pick your political allies more wisely.

In other, more important news: the  Transcript of Nov. 5, 2008 proceeding before the U.K. High Court re Erika Duggan’s request for a fresh inquiry into the death of her son Jeremiah and her “skeleton argument” filed by Mrs. Duggan’s counsel last year are available online here.

………………….

Rachel Brown To Take On Bailout Barney Frank
November 14, 2009 Boston, MA (LPAC) — LaRouche Youth Movement activist Rachel Brown announced today that she is a candidate for the Democratic nomination to U.S. Congress in the 4th District in Massachusetts, for the seat presently occupied by Bailout Barney Frank. Brown told a national internet audience on The LaRouche Show.

Ms. Dining Room Table.  Here’s to a good… debate?   It seems an obvious idea, most importantly a self-referencing to give the memebrship an impression of a fight against the elite, would indeed get the cult some publicity.  But it hasn’t as yet spared any more mentions in what is, at the moment, a particularly drought-filled stream — as evidenced by the sparcity of items found googling about.  Are they in a process of regeneration from the fresh new “International” Webcast?

Actually, my impression on just how sparse this sam may be distorted a bit.  I’ve posted a few things to factnet I ordinarily would have hovering here, waiting for publication.  It wasn’t my intention to post at factnet during the reprieve, but I have.  At one poing, “xlcer” made the statement:  I have no idea what happened, but there is nothing, nothing to report on The Larouche World Wide Takeover TOur 2009! today from the google search engine. Which was weird enough, in that it missed this, and the message:

I read it a fourth time. And I wondered why they don’t call themselves dictators with such a demanding message. What kind of training had those extremists gone through? If Obama is Hitler, who are they?
Boink-boink.

I gave myself one little contest on Friday of trying to beat “xlcer” to a posting of a bunch of links.  He barely beat me to it — the time stamp for both posts says “9:01”.  Seeing that he had just posted all the same items, I deleted all but the one link he missed — a mention of Lou Dobbs as possible running mate to Larouche.  Go figure.

Other encounters with the cult.:   As I walked by the table, I said, without looking at the people, “Not nice.”
The man replied, “Obama is going to hell!” (Actually, I think he said some word that included “Obama,” but I didn’t quite catch what he said.)
I shook my head. “Nope, not nice.”
In their defense, they don’t claim to be nice.
In the partisan grenade tossing that comes with the territory of the cult, I don’t know that this claim is true — that that Holocaust image was being waved by Larouchies.  They can prove it, if they will, but I’d advise them to be careful of pretending that all signs that don’t look favorable upon their cause come from this external source.)  Same, frankly, for this commenter:

I went to drop off something at the Post Office there last August and there was a heated discussion going on in front of the building by a group that had anti Obama signs on health care with some of the passers by. The protesters with the signs said they were LaRouche Democrats. One foisted some of their literature on me and said that Obama and Pelosi were beholden to George Soros who was secretly backed by the Rothschilds. So I bet the sign in the image above had its source in this thinking. I didn’t know the Rothschilds existed any more but Larouche’s people had them targeted.

We’re getting a bit of causation confused.  One element to the tea-partys, a man I associate most with spreading and popularizing the Obama Joker image is Alex Jones — and, you know.  For some reason, they have been wanting to tell me what Louis Farrakhan has to say about some matters.  (It is also here that I can fit in this comment.)  So, with that conspiracy lining established, we get this promotional effort for the  latest “historic” “International” Webcast (surely available for viewing in China?), a comment left on prisonplanet news entries at a particular time, two spots at the ready:

Michael Says:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Larouche International Webcast on now at http://www.Larouchepac.com Don’t miss it!

How many Alex Jones fans wandered over to view the latest webcast, I do not know, but it does strike me as a fairly pathetic attempt.  I would also be interested in seeing if this message was plastered to other websites of this ilk at that time.

Other things creating the impression of a slowing down the flow of Larouche’s web presence, the current state of their Wikipedia Information battle.  My following of wikipedia deliberations has always been best thought of as observing the cult’s organizational battle to control or influence a popular source of information.  At present, the cult is probably regrouping and retooling to figure out a new method of attack — it is to wikipedia’s discredit that they allowed the last rather nakedly absurd “Leatherstocking” attack to go on for so long and it is their organizational flaw that is exposed by handing them so much deference.  At the moment, we have a good deal of flawed but at least honest good-faith  deliberations on how to handle this tricky topic, what sources to use and how, and what is best spot-lighted.  There is, in this midst, a touching observation upon reading and dealing through the battles with the April 11 Briefing (JN466:  “I am equally struck by how this must have read to Kronberg.”) — and a wholly pointless debate on citing to Tony Papert or Larouche.  We do see the Larouche cult making its attempts — they really need to make John Markham’s counsel to Molly Kronberg as issue — but are effectively called out on for the moment.
And here’s one more item that strikes me as a pointless matter — listing the various epithets the cult’s members get called.  With this debris being moved around, I feel like a quick visit back to brushing off loose-ends of the last Cult Team attempts, as we await the next attempts — note this Sun Myung Moon referencing to the “Executive Intelligence Review” entry.  Funny for a few reasons — former members see some dove-tailing of interests at various times in its history — who popularized the Dukakis Mental Health issue? — depends on who you asked.  In the handful of instances I’ve seen that referenced, the org is short-swifted in favor of the Washington Times.

But the Moon is on a lot of cult member’s minds anyway.  The Moon Explosion brought out some signs of water.  But I am with a lot of people: screw the Moon, go to Mars.  To quote Bill Nye the Science Guy on what the  new scientific development means and what it does not mean — and I think he flubbed this but the idea is still there – “There is so little water, like there may be less water, for example, in the Antarctic desert than there is on the lunar surface. But that there is any water at all is remarkable.” Mars is as dry as the Moon, but we haven’t gone there yet — important if the idea is to advance to places as a species.

I was left wondering if the cult made it over to Al Gore heckling — but the references in the news accounts go to a Tea Party group and a cleverly named “Constructive Tomorrows” foray.  Only one of the signs is invective filled enough to suggest the possibility of Larouche, but “The Masses follow the Asses” apparently originates elsewhere.

In other news and notes, this one goes out to the Leader of the Larouche Cryonics Movement — a movement consisting of one person — you’ll have to wait a while to regenerate his corpse.

Here’s the Obama Hitler sign of the day, making the rounds.
Huh.

As always, the tendency is to pick out the most outrageous and inflamatory signage in these matters.  That disclaimer out of the way, I admit to having relatively little effect in the Hitler comparison derby for political figures.  In the war protests, the signs played off of various propaganda Hitler becomes a cartoony figure, and background noise.

This one, though.  Huh.  Just Huh.  Maybe no one at war protests during the Bush Administration had the sense of realism to approach the matter from that direction?

As for the Larouche organization, as we watch the dual Health Care protests on Capital Hill yesterday — Code Pink and assorted others into Lieberman’s office, Michelle Bachman leading a cast in the low four digits with Virigina Foxx speaking representing the “Tea Party” Movement…

where is the Larouche organization at now?  After single handedly organizing a “Mass Strike” through the Summer, (and the bit about Barney Frank got a mention in GQ’s list of the “50 Most Powerful People in Washington.”  There is another list of the “50 Most Powerful People in the Larouche Organization” — Rachel Brown did not quite crack it.) under the principles of Rosa Luxemberg, the organization has deemed the Tea Party Movement:

In direct response to the effect Lyndon LaRouche has had on the political situation in the wake of October’s phase-shift into an imminent spiral into a new dark age that will exceed the New Dark Age of the 14th century, Lyndon LaRouche today accused “the so-called “Tea Bag” movement of phony conservatives who call themselves opponents of Obama’s Hitler health policy, of putting itself at the head of an all-out effort by the British Empire to stifle the mass strike in the United States that threatens to topple the whole British-controlled health care debate and restore the United States to a Constitutional credit system rather than the British-Delphic monetary system. The phony “Tea Bag” movement,” LaRouche continued, which has sent bus tours across the United States, but is only drawing crowds of 300-1000, “set itself as its goal to coopt, preempt and demoralize the mass strike that began in August and led to the hundreds of thousands of ordinary American citizens attending thousands of town hall meetings called by senators and congressmen, to protest against Obama’s Hitler health policy.”

LaRouche called this “a transparent attempt to derail the mass strike, that reveals the desperation of the British Empire and its puppets like Obama, in the wake of the breakthrough agreement last week between China and Russia that represents a massive step towards the credit system that LaRouche has called for, […]

And etc.  That should absolve the Tea Party Movement of the Hitler Analogies, I suppose.  And in case any member of the Larouche organization is wondering where the “new dark age that will exceed the New Dark Age of the 14th century” is:
LaRouche also cautioned that “doubters in own ranks should know that they risk being exposed as idiots if they continue to doubt the massive phase-shift that took place in the middle of October, and the earthquake-like effect it has had on the mass strike.” LaRouche added that “they will be useless idiots, just as Lenin forecast” if they fail to shut their mouths and stop speaking bullsh*t.”

Does this mean they’re splitting their noxious role in the Tea Parties?  I guess so.  Hard to see how this does them any good.  They’re no longer hidden in groups of hundreds or thousands, now they’re heading on back over to Costume wearing against the Queen of England?  (That’s show Elizabeth III!!!)  And running down in groups of two or four to take the message to the Post Offices!

“We are here to get the truth out,” Frank Defalco said. “The economy is finished, it is never coming back.”
Protestor Carol Ruckert said that Obama’s health-care reform battle is a thinly veil plot to kill senior citizens.
“It is all a cover up for what they are doing,” Carol Ruckert said. “They are trying to ram through the euthanasia program. It is like what Hitler did in Nazi Germany. It is modeled on the Not Worthy to Live program.”
Those walking by largely ignored the demonstrators, and some denounced them outright.
Colleges, as per usual.
Taking donations.

Billington said the photo is supposed to represent the similarities between Obama’s end-of-life care policies and Adolf Hitler’s, which killed mentally ill people in Germany because it cost the state too much to care for them.
Billington said the photo is supposed to “stimulate thought and stimulate discussion.”
Besides disseminating information, the PAC members were taking donations. In a couple of hours they collected a little more than $100.
“Most people give us the thumbs up. Some people give us the finger,” Billington said.
He said they chose to protest in front of the post office because “people’s minds are thinking of sending messages to others,” making them more receptive to hearing new ideas.

Sounds very New Agey.  Anyway, a days’ worth of service garnered Billington and fellow trucker a little more than $100?  Really?
That should be enough to stave off the Costco “Free Sample Buffet Deal” that is, reportedly, the meal of choice for “Larouche Health Care Expert” (cited as such in the press!)  Nancy Spannaus.  (Hey!  Nothing wrong with the Costco Free Sample Buffet.)

One note worth a slight pause.

Sheridan said she avoided the booth.
“I believe in Obama, and they don’t,” she said. “I don’t think they should be allowed on government property.”

Careful there, Sheridan.  Belief won’t get you anywhere.
One thing to take away from that article, though, is that apparently Billington is at liberty to talk to the press — reliable enough as a man riding the tri-State circuit:  lives in New Jersey and protests every day, all over Connecticut and New York.  As opposed to, Dateline Rhode Island:
 The men, who declined to be interviewed for this story.  Instance #7.

Note to everybody: Do not throw piss-filled Balloons at these people.  Lest the comment here double back.
Also, a handy explanation to spotting a Larouchie from a Tea Partier:

Yep, the teabaggers (EDIT: Or possibly LaRouchies) have set up a little stand with a big poster featuring Obama with a Hitler ‘stache.
We know which via:
They have a bizarre fascination with Bach. Something along the lines of “Bach used polyphony, and the government must be polyphonic”.  Not a point a tea-partier would make.  I don’t know about the Civil War Camp Songs, though — you might have a convergence with that one.

I think it’s sad when anyone listens to anything Lyndon LaRouche says.

Sadness Generator #1:
As I seal the envelope to LaRouchePac, identifying my tax ID for political funding support (and in so doing calling into question my own credibility by publishing that here)
Good to be Self Aware. 
As I have stated to the LaRouche folks before, Lyndon’s credibility in Russia and China far exceeds his credibility here. Here in America he is unfortunately considered a wingnut. And when you attack Obama, calling him “clinically insane” you’re going to get that, despite any gracious attempt to excuse the attacks as a pent up expression of 60 years of political frustration.
He’s also not “considered a wingnut” by anyone but moonbats.  Meanwhile, Moonbats consider him a wingnut.

Sadness Generator #2:  LaRoucheisright:  Conservative and liberal are false categories. Those categories just put people in boxes.Join with LaRouche. Support “The LaRouche Plan” Go to

Sadness Generator #3:   Not that “We Are Change Philadelphia” takes it seriously.

Sadness Generator #4:  This clip was sent by my Big Bro, that was all for Obama until he had a five day visit with me ,i showed him many things that changed his mind ……ricklbert
LaRouche leads a discussion with patriotic forces in and around the US government as to how to save the United States from the British influence through the Obama administration.

Sadness Generator #5:  If there is a World War III it will be between The U.S. And Russia but, Russia doesn’t want to fight. They would rather like to do as LaRouche says and work with the U.S. because unlike us, The Russians are smart enough to see what is coming in the current future for the world and therefore The only next major thing that is going to happen is a general break down of the entire global economic system entering us into a new dark age so check it out at
Note the Confederate Flag.  Interesting.  Kind of anti-Linocln, isn’t it?  Anyway, I guess there are neo-Confederate Larouchies… unlike

Thought his background was interesting given his views. Is he a Zionist? A Larouche Zionist!?
As much as I dislike David P Goldman’s confession and saw it as self serving and knowingly dishonest… Goldman doesn’t deserve this write up as much as commenter “red in fc” at this blog post I posted to is a frothy mouthed partisan hack.

Mental Note: Run down “HK”‘s posts at “Wikipedia Review“.

If you’ve been following my posts regarding Larouche — I first want to ask you, er, Why?
Then I’ll say that if you’ve been following my posts regarding Larouche, you know about the Wikipedia Editing Job that the Org has been pulling.  For over a year, this has been dominated by a sock puppet by the nom de plome “Leatherstocking”, a name garnered from the generally maligned literature of Fenimore Cooper, though celebrated within the corridors of the Lyndon Larouche movement.

Finally, after a peculiar history full of “I’m not a Larouchie.  Who’s calling me a Larouchie?” and after one last attempt to boot out Dennis King from any consideration, he has been kicked out.  Final edit discussions are interesting and relevant for a gist of the type of things he was wavering the wiki editors were dealing with:

I have removed this phrase: — [his followers have been charged with possession of weapons and explosives along with a numbers of violent crimes including kidnapping and assault] from the summary of the Allegations section, because there is no reference to any such charges in the body of the text. The only reference to a LaRouche activist getting charged is for disorderly conduct in the liver incident. –Leatherstocking (talk) 15:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC);

All very cult-serving.
At any rate, the word on the blocking can be found here.

You have repeatedly denied that you are a person associated with the Lyndon LaRouche organization – [10] [11]. Based on your representations and a lack of other technical evidence to the contrary, I and other administrators have assumed good faith about your Wikipedia contributions and believed that you were an independent person in this matter.

However, your internet service provider (RR) has published additional referral WHOIS data on your IP netblock which indicates that you have been lying to us. The IP address you have used a number of times – ( 64.183.125.210 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) ( see [12] for an example of you taking credit for that logged-out edit ) – is now confirmed to be a LaRouche organization’s network block, American System Publications. See http://www.utrace.de/whois/64.183.125.210, http://www.utrace.de/ip-adresse/64.183.125.210.

As technical information which is freely available now clearly ties you to the LaRouche organization, which you have repeatedly denied, at the very least you have a clear and evident conflict of interest which you have repeatedly strenuously denied. In addition, your behavior when compared to other, permanently blocked accounts such as the Herschelkrustofsky (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) account sockpuppet farm seems to fall squarely into the area we have established is off limits. Based on this technical information we now have no reason not to assume that you are part of that organizational sockpuppet team.

Phrases that I imagine absolutely goad Leatherstocking: “organizational sockpuppet team.”  Indeed, Leaterhstocking seems to leap to that one, in claiming he’s getting booted due to “POV”.  He also shouts “Conspiracy!”
“This block is improper in every way. First of all, Georgewilliamherbert is re-interpreting the ArbCom decision to mean something that it does not mean — he is claiming that it is a license to ban editors based on perceived POV (see WP:9STEPS.) If the basis for the ban is to be violation of the LaRouche 2 arbcom decision, the proper procedure would be to go to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. I myself filed a request for ArbCom clarification,[13] which resulted in very little clarification. Finally, Georgewilliamherbert is acting here not as an honest broker, but as a proxy for User:SlimVirgin, who is pushing POV at the LaRouche articles and would like to eliminate any opposition.[14

AND
I am not a banned user. It is being alleged that I have a POV similar to that of a banned user.“

Actually the larger allegation is that he’s using the same office space of computers as a banned user, and that the computers used provide conclusive evidence that he’s lying and automatically acting in bad faith.  Back to the statement of banning:

Based on the totality of the information available at this time, I am placing an indefinite block upon your account. I am extremely dissapointed that the trust that the Wikipedia community showed you was betrayed in this manner. It reflects extremely badly on the LaRouche organizations that you continue to commit such acts of subterfuge to try and spin media information about the organization. One of these days you will come to realize that such actions in the long term harm your reputation far more than merely having external critics and unbiased external reporting and reference sources – until then, unfortunately, we have no option but to extend the indefinite blocks to anyone associated with these activities.

Sigh.  A Zen Parable for you, via a quick google search:  Another version of this story describes a fox who agrees to carry a scorpion on its back across a river, upon the condition that the scorpion does not sting him. But the scorpion does indeed sting the fox when they are in midstream. As the fox begins to drown, taking the scorpion with him, he pleadingly asks why the scorpion has jeopardized both of them by stinging. “Because it’s my nature.”
I have a hard time believing that “one of these days” he “will come to realize” such actions “harm” “reputations”.

Will Beback has compiled an interesting list of “Not me” claims worth a pursual.  It is absurd that wikipedia gives these people such a long leash, and I hope they have what it takes to not do so again in the future.  We shall see, shan’t we?

Also, as I indicated, I had edited both Dennis King and A.J. Weberman long before I edited a LaRouche article or got into any scrap with SlimVirgin. I would like to see the ArbCom issue very clear guidelines as to constitutes a “pro-LaRouche editor,” so as to prevent the designation of others as “pro-LaRouche editors” from becoming a tactic available to POV-warriors. –Leatherstocking (talk) 00:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

A good definition of a “pro-LaRouche editor” would certainly include someone using a computer in a LaRouche office to edit Wikipedia.   Will Beback talk 09:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Zing.

The question for the moment is… Is this anything?  And by that I mean, is this anything new?  It’s been a long time since I just went ahead and reposted a Larouche Daily Briefing  en total, but this is interesting enough.

In previous daily memos, we have seen Larouche do the usual berating of his baby-boomers for doubting.  This one is kind of interesting, in that the berating drips in to the hallowed Youth Members.  We also see that interesting alteration of the “drop dead” moment (and for precise moments of description, you can rely on this factnet post) of when all governing functions would cease to a “Phase Shift”.  It also becomes apparent that perhaps leaving the country happens happens when this  cognitive dissonance is around the bend, so he might “set things straight” upon re-entry. …………………………………………………………..

Oct. 17, 2009  LAROUCHE: OK, first of all, I’m going to chew you out; and you know why. Because some of our idiots, and they tend to run more to the older generation than the younger ones in this case, got the bright idea that I had somehow been mistaken in my forecast of what was going to happen in October. This, as usual, was done; the argument was made on the basis of fraudulent representation of what I had said repeatedly and carefully on that subject during the month of September, and in the first week of October. So, people were trying to insist that I had predicted this general collapse, like a breakdown collapse, and what I was a phase, a critical phase-change which brought us into the threshold of a general collapse. And exactly that has happened.
Now, some of our friends, who we’ve been in a discussion with, have recognized that and gone to the point of making their own calculations to extend my Triple Curve into the more recent developments. And Debbie has seen that. I haven’t seen it as such, but I’ve heard it described, and I know what she has described is quite accurate; that’s exactly the way it has happened. There has been a sudden phase-shift downward in the state of the US and the world economy during the first two weeks of October. It has happened exactly as I said it would happen.
Now, those who profess to doubt that, were basing themselves on public information of the type which is completely crap! In other words, they had no evidence, but they chose to believe that they were shaken in their confidence by what they were reading in the press. And this, I mean, this is really a whore’s game. You know, the whore smiles when the prospective client comes up, and that’s the way some of Boomers acted on this case of this October forecast. What I warned was going to happen, has happened {exactly} as what I warned would happen. There’s no difference from that. But, there was a – people wished to be foolish and prematurely senile, and therefore, they reacted in a way that a prematurely senile person would react. You gotta – don’t appear to be senile! Let me warn you Boomers. It’s dangerous to appear to be senile. They’ll cart you off and kill you, and burn you for ashes! [Laughter] Don’t be senile anymore! And don’t get any more of these crazy fits.
Now, this is mostly comes from the Boomers domination in the regions. It also comes out from some problems in the Leesburg area, where people get – because they’re trying to play games with their own mind – they screw up and forget the point. The way we organize, the way we get our income comes only from what we do through LPAC. We may get some other income from other sources, and we do; but we get because of what we do with LPAC. When you shut down the support of LPAC, and say you’ve got some high priorities or something, we can’t afford LPAC right now, you’re committing suicide, you’re committing political suicide. You’re saying we’re going out of existence. So, you just have to control some of your Boomer friends who are prone to fits of senility. They’re not justified; they haven’t done enough work to become senile, but they take pleasure in doing that.
Anyway, so that’s the problem. And you just – {Don’t do this any more!} This old thing, which comes from some people in the office and some of the regions, really is a kind of moral senility. And it’s done on the thing—[in dumb, whiny voice] “Well, we, some people we talk to said differently. We can’t say that anymore, don’t you understand?” And like all these people going out, they want to talk to somebody about what happened. Instead of telling them what happened, they come out with a long pitch, [same voice] “Well, let me tell you, it’s starts like this…”, and then about a half an hour later, when they’ve finished their wind-up, the person they were talking to has walked away. This typical Boomer stuff!……………………
ALICIA: Hey, Lyn. I just want to ask you a question because it’s been a point of discussion here, you know, it comes up with the OTCs every single day. What are we going to do about the intelligence, because there are a couple of people that we can count on, and if we can a hold of them, it works. But otherwise, it just makes a big difference here if people are in reality, and if they’re not, well, you can see what happens, so… [crosstalk]
LAROUCHE: Two things on this. First of all, what happens is, when we get into a financial bind, the most qualified people just aren’t available, because they’re doing something else. And you get people who are less qualified, and less emotionally stable, who sort of shape the opinion among the Boomer layer in particular. This extends to the phone teams, which are the liaison to various cesspools, which they pass through intellectually in going from one locale to another. And so, you get a real panic of complete incompetence, because you have fewer competent people on the job, from among the Boomer strata in particular. This is my nightmare, because every time I leave that joint, to come to this joint, I can anticipate a catastrophic loss in intellectual capacity represented by organization as a whole there, and internationally immediately. But I have to do things here, because I have things I must do here. We don’t travel back and forth across the Atlantic once a week. So, when I leave the United States, I’m here for some weeks, and every time catastrophe breaks out. Sometimes it comes from some youth problems, but usually the real catastrophes come from the Boomers When the Boomers who are capable and thinking clearly, are tied up, and the other ones who are thinking clearly, or would be thinking clearly, are out there doing something financially, instead of paying attention to politics, then you get, you know, the third team comes in? The ones that haven’t got their jock straps on? [laughter] Or ladies with jock straps, something like that. And that’s what happens.
You have to have a sense of self-defense, what if I didn’t exist, huh? You have to have a sense of bull**** is bull****, and when you can smell it, call it what it is. I laid out some very clear policies on the organization’s approach to October. I did that very carefully, knowing I would be absent during that part of the month. And I said specifically what had to be done, and what had not to be done. And I defined the perspective for this month precisely as I described it, and {as it has happened!} Nothing different than what I described has happened. What I described has happened. You get some guys, who get nervous, and they say, “Uouonh!” [groans] Panic, huh? Something different. Well, it was never different, it was just impressionism of Nervous Nellies. And it was Boomers; it started in the regions, and spilled back into the phone teams. Gerry’s got his back turned, pssfftt! Some wild nonsense comes. And you’ve got some people who are still malicious toward me in the organization, especially among the Boomers. They’re malicious toward me, not because of what I did to them, but of what they did to me, and some Boomers cannot forgive me for what they did to me. That’s the way it works in life, you know. People don’t hate you because of what you did to them; they hate you for they did to you. And that’s what that goes on. Anyway.
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Moving onward, a bit more cognitive dissonance comes into the picture with Cody Jones here telling that he was prepping for the economic collapse, but had to explain to the disbelievers that they’re wrong, and on we go to the Personality Cult of “The One” — and explaining to the LYM cohorts how to keep the faith against the crisis and the lack of Crisis Coverage outside the purview of the cult, to keep the faith as they confront the Masses unaware that they reside in a New Dark Age.  (First three and a half minutes… I hear tell that after that, the hits do keep on coming, but I myself dropped after that.  Note that he himself has no doubt of the New Dark Age.)

Then again, another problem with raising funds is shown around here — people you’d hate meeting at a cocktail party, and the “Unwelcome” sign:
New Fairfield is still stinging from racist and sexist e-mails forwarded by two public officials earlier this month, and Tuesday’s visit by the LaRouche Political Action Committee was the last thing it needed.

She was pushing the beliefs of an American named LaRouche and kept calling him an economist. [Note: an important parcel for Leatherstocking in editing wikipedia articles.  Has had tremendous success at the endevor, and the first paragraph in particular certainly does stink there.  Has a cache of Russian sources at his disposal.  Dennis King comes in here , and refers to the stench this throws on wikipedia.  King then posts something that is within the scope of sort of my pet issue in the Larouche wikipedia items – Leaterhstocking never posts the entirety of what Larouche has said.  Now I leave the digression.]  The last time I heard of him was in 2000 when a van of supporters drove around and indirectly called my aunt a whore.
[…] <tactics here.  A sort of good cop / bad cop.  A few phrases leap out:

 I tried to explain that their message appeared convoluted to people passing by; they said they didn’t care about popular opinion. I tried to explain the problem with Hitler Obama; they said they don’t care about advertising, they care about reality. One of them also said she doesn’t care about truth.

Or, put another way:
 you want an explanation? that just means you are going to have to do some work! I agree with the last poster, you DO sound arrogant as hell! and that may hinder your capability to understand what Larouche is talking about. you may be too emotionally attached to your current axioms, and your arrogance will get in the way of your conceptions being challenged.

Well then.

Posted by The Daily Elitist , Economics at University of Nebraska on April 28, 2009 at 10:15pm  (I don’t believe you, or this set up.)
I long dismissed the LaRouchies as a “cult,” just as I’d been conditioned to by the corporate media and the higher-ups in academia; however, the ongoing financial and economic crisis has made me re-think many of my long-held views concerning economics and social organization generally. I think any honest person even slightly familiar with the work of LaRouche and his supporters must now concede that he’s been right about nearly everything.

Seriously, just read what he has to say – and don’t let anyone else do your thinking for you

I.  You know, I had this item from The Rachel Maddow Show playing on, without watching it.  In trying to curb some intemperate things against Obama from conservative activist students and other organizations (4 paragraphs down), George Herbert Walker Bush made some comments, and in trying to more or less balance them he referenced “the cables” and Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann as “sick puppies”, and the whole wall of talk radio and television hosts being essentially narcistic in these things, that guaranteed Rachel Maddow would cover it.  Maddow went on, and then mentioned the Obama Hitler Mustache on campus.  To which I had to run over, roll the thing, and go back to 8:40 or thereabouts and watch for half a minute for some context.  Yep.  She showed the Larouchies without mentioning that they were Larouchies.

But before I could join some conservative commenters who’ve banged the drums, though with a somewhat less partisan “Don’t.  Show.  The Larouche.  Obama Hitler Mustache.  Unless you’re explicitly covering.  The Larouchies.”, I see that Ann Coulter (one such member of that group, though she referenced it to “Left-Wing Plants”, more dishonesty on her part) has made the “George Soros a Nazi Collaborator” comment.   Which, I suppose, if they want to claim Ann Coulter might prove her a big fan of the pamphlet “Your Enemy, George Soros”.

Not that anyone cares too much.  You will notice if you look down the comments section of the “Crooks and Liars” post that no one mentions the Larouche factor of the post, even though that’s in the title.  The same thing works with Ezra Klein’s reference here.  Ezra Klein is wrong about that being a political party, though I suppose they thre together ad hoc political parties every four yehars during the general election for the various presidential bids — “Economic Party” or some such ridiculousness.

Another instance of this at play is shown with the comment here: 

One thing a bit instructive of Obama’s appearance on behest of George Herbert Walker Bush at Texas A and M: the conspiratorial book du jour, birthplace or way station of various Bush rumors and innuendoes — was written and published under the auspices of the Larouche organization.  The Barack Obama book that fits the same mode and is in the same basic genre wasn’t.  Mr. Tarpley is the one constant.

Another basic thing about this is shown around here:  Weaving Rush into this is bizarre.  Weaving RUSH into this is bizarre?  Really.  Leatherstocking bait: an item of reference for “validator purpose” at wikipedia: 
In recent months, high-profile Obama critics such as talk show host Rush Limbaugh and political activist Lyndon LaRouche have used Nazi imagery to attack the administration’s health-care proposals.

Well, it fits the biases to claim that.  Than again:

Two members of the organization — who declined to identify themselves to a reporter — planted themselves outside the Ipswich post office on Tuesday passing out literature and seeking donations from those sympathetic to the cause.
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I compare Obama to Hitler all of the time because unfortunately that is who our president most resembles since it appears he can only lead through his oral skills and nothing else.

One referral possibility to harrangue on the phone, I suppose.  Even though, mostly we’re just aiming for a certain controversy.

But if the Democrats had anyone who knew what they were doing, they wouldn’t let this go. Its further evidence that the Obama as Hitler posters and swastikas carried by Republicans at the town hall meetings were much more of a calculated and organized effort on the part of Republicans than any “grassroots” spontaneous reaction.

Note the poster included there.

A bit instructive the story is on the controversy last week of an official Republican twitter feed linking to a youtube clip of Hitler discoursing on Obama’s Health Care Plan.  “Sick Puppies”, as the elder Bush would phrase it, though by any rights it would put to rest the hub-ub of moveon’s two Bush Hitler contest entrants, as it’s a demonstration of how these things happen.  It won’t, though — “See No Evil, Hear No Evil” as soon as you put yoursel finto an identity.  One good thing about that link is it put it into general use for Balloon Boy mocking, funnier probably due to an apolitical nature.

(OR: ‘The Larouche PAC does not represent the … Republican Party’)

II.  Let’s run down the bend with Leatherstocking at wikipedia.

Here we see Leatherstocking attempting to thrust RoyFrankhauser, among others, out of the org’s history.
I removed the section called “others,” which seems to have been there for “guilt by association” purposes. If the criterion for inclusion were simply that a person’s name was linked with LaRouche in press accounts, you could have hundreds of names in that category. Unless a reliable source has specifically named a person as a member or supporter of the movement, there is no reason to include that person in the article.

Here we see Leatherstocking demand Dennis King disclose his “Conflict of Interest” in arguing against deleting the Duggan page. Interesting.  You know what Leatherstocking might consider as a good bolster his case?  As we’ve seen in  an example of getting a “vindicator” in, ala Menshikov, perhaps a Dennis King entry on wikipedia!

Here we see Leatherstocking change the lede to describe the man as an “Economist”.  That should be changed back any minute now, I’m guessing.

III.  An interesting development from Laland, worth keeping tabs on.  Leaving aside some worth of exploration of what the phrase “boy” suggests, in a loaded manner with Obama.  (We are back to the “Monkey” problem of how a select handful of insults are loaded in the double standard.)

To enumerate these things.

Case Number One:  The man and woman refused to be interviewed or give their names. She was asking people what they thought of Obama’s mustache, as they walked past or dropped an envelope in the mailbox.
Case Number Two:  When contacted, the EvCC staffer refused to speak about the topic. LaRouche representatives also refused to be interviewed on the subject.
Case Number Three:  Two members of the organization — who declined to identify themselves to a reporter — planted themselves outside the Ipswich post office on Tuesday passing out literature and seeking donations from those sympathetic to the cause.
Case Number Four:  The man said the LaRouche organization does not allow them to talk to the media, and he referred all questions to the organization’s public relations person.
Case Number Five (not quite the same, but in the ballpark):  When students asked questions such as “Where is the genocide in this country?” and “Why are you comparing Obama to Hitler?” LaRouche would only give vague responses that always came back to the monotonous line “read our pamphlets.”

Then again, some people are cleared to talk to the media.
A LaRouche spokeswoman defended the display, saying the comparison between Obama’s health care plans and Hitler’s genocide is fair because it starts a conversation on how the two policies are similar.
“It raises the right question: What’s the similarity between Obama’s health care policy and Hitler’s?” said LaRouche health care spokeswoman Nancy Spannaus.
The “Larouche Health Care Spokesoman” Nancy Spannaus.  Who I’m sure can speak on regarding Larouche Health Care.  Incidentally, Ms. Spannaus is wrong: it’s not poetic or artful.  If you google “Obama Hitler” and look at the images, the first images are far more interesting than the one deployed by the Larouche org.

 Apparently this is another “Larouche Health Care Spoksperson”:
Craig Holtzklark, a volunteer from Houston told KEYE-TV the signs were to grab people’s attention to Obama’s health care plan.
… It so happens that Craig Holtzlark is also a volunteer from Colorado, and Texas.  Itenerant Preachers be they.  (Note: I owe this Holtzlark Caper to xlcer at factnet.)

Apparently also authorized for some limited debating, you could go debate Brian Crowell here:
I am an African American teacher of Economics. Larouche is 100 percent accurate. I’ll debate you on the facts.
Hm.  Note that this Dave Chapelle item was posted in the comments section as a response to Crowell.    Was that what spurred Leatherstocking’s insistence on dumping Frankhauser.?  Check the dates, I suppose.

IV. Okay.
Veteran American physical economist Lyndon LaRouche, who has accurately forecast the world financial and production collapse, warns sharply that the intention of the British Empire is genocide on a scale to make Hitler blush. […] to defend the US dollar then the whole world economy will collapse into a Dark Age and a dramatic population crash even worse than the 14th Century Dark Age where similar money speculation followed by war famine and the black death wiped out a third of Europeans.

It all happened on October 12.  Did you notice.  How’s your current 14th Century Dark Age going?  THIS is how Brian Crowell sees Larouche as right there to “Launch a Blue Collar Revolution“.  Debate away, fool.

One final note: this is an odd place to be posting the SNL parody.  But for the “Connect the Dots” people, Larouche is as likely an agent of someone or other — maybe British? — anyways.

The fascinating lie from Leatherstocking, repeated for the umpteenth time.

The irony is that I am quite ambivalent about LaRouche, but I strongly oppose what I see as the abuse of process that has frequently been employed as a tactic by the team that controls the LaRouche articles. So, I open my mouth (figuratively speaking) and for my troubles I get branded a LaRouchie. —Leatherstocking

A thought experiment for everybody.  Let’s pretend that there’s a person making edit attempts and wikipedia arguments at various Star Wars topics, to the exclusion of any other topic — save, perhaps, a tangeantal slash at Gene Roddenbury meant to bolster an argument about George Lucas.  Let’s say that his nom de plome was(and this is an essential point) “Wookie”.  See how this reads.

The irony is that I am quite ambivalent about Star Wars, but I strongly oppose what I see as the abuse of process that has frequently been employed as a tactic by the team that controls the Star Wars articles. So, I open my mouth (figuratively speaking) and for my troubles I get branded a Star Wars fan. –Wookie

I think JN466 has at the very least developed some degree of plausible deniability in his new found editing attempts.  At the very least, his edits have caught Leatherstocking’s eye.

I’d like to encourage you to keep editing the article, because your edits seem carefully neutral, and otherwise the process is dominated by disputes between Mr. Beback and myself over article neutrality. —Leatherstocking

But it looks like JN466 and Leatherstocking have successfully truncated Kronberg from the Larouche wikipedia article, whatever JN466’s motives here.  A single sentence which gives JN466 away.:

We have 300 words on Kronberg’s death in 2007. Is that really appropriate in this BLP? I don’t see what the connection is to LaRouche personally. —JN466 […]

When I get a spare minute, I will go forth and see what the edits here were.  Unless someone wants to do that for me.   This strikes me as important in their ongoing Propaganda Offensive.  If someone wants to do my work for me, feel free to leave the alterations in the comments section, on down to 153 words — the words matter more than the quantity.

Curiously enough, Leatherstocking seems intent on pulling the word tic upward.
I have expanded one line, giving a more accurate description of LaRouche’s claims vis-a-vis Molly Kronberg. One possible solution to the problems of this section would be to remove all speculation (from both sides) about the reasons for the suicide, since this seems inappropriate for an encyclopedia.
Disingenuous as always, the “reasons for the suicide” about that which matter here, and that which is important in the history of the twin set of the cult and its cult leader.  Mind you, I would not know how to ferret out internal history and external history here, but the internal certainly spilled out to the external — and the four biggest news events of the cult in the past decade are: Jeremiah Duggan’s death, Kenneth Kronberg’s death, Obama Hitler Euthanasia Rahm Emanuel blehdebleh, and Neocon Children of Satan Cheney blehdebleh.

Fun fact about the Fusion Energy Foundation:  The entity now bearing that name has nothing to do with the organization.  Good luck to Will Beback on that article, though.

Over to the attempt, by both Webster Tarpley fans and Larouchies, to slash Webster Tarpley from the listing of related topics.  This is a fascinating convergence of mutual interests.  Great moments in Movement argumentation!
I have no problem with leaving Zepp-LaRouche off the template, along with all other individuals other than Lyndon. –Leatherstocking
A Movement of one.  A relevant rejoinder.

To my knowledge, those would be Jeremiah Duggan, Webster Tarpley, and Kenneth Kronberg. The latter two were members, but their listing is contentious for other reasons. In the case of Tarpley, Mr. IP believes there is guilt by associating him with LaRouche when he has parted company. In the cases of Duggan and Kronberg, it is violation of WP:NOTSCANDAL.–Leatherstocking (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Tarpley was a members for over 20 years, Krongberg a member for at least 30 years. Will we delete Billington when he leaves or dies too? I hope not. “Mr IP” specifically warns, elsewhere, about Orwell’s “memory hole“. There’s no gossip on that template, so I don’t know why you’re referring to them as scandals.   Will Beback  talk  01:03, 9 October 2009

Of course, Leatherstocking’s whole editing purpose is to push various items into the Memory Hole, see too:
because LaRouche is first and foremost an economist and those seem to be his core economic policies
Comedy Gold!

In reading through these wikipedia editing attempts, I find myself deliberating with myself whether I should just chunk completely any and all use of wikipedia.  Sure, we find the obvious — Leatherstocking is generally called out by the editors here as obvious “ Very clearly a POV-based nomination“  in his ongoing “Scandal Mongering” mongering.

One thing to remember, is that when an editor is trying to combat POV-pushing in a certain subject area it can make that editor look like they’re pushing the other side, when all they’re really trying to do is balance the coverage of the topic. Haven’t you ever felt like you were inadvertently in that position? I have. Cla68

But ultimately, this is always a rearguard action from Leatherstocking, and whatever Krusty the Clown repopup comes forth.  We have seen the odd Columbia University professor comment that taps this topic as the poster child for wikipedia’s limitations, why he warns his students against wikipedia.  We have, at the same time, seen insta-wikipedia checks that get the necessary guage of their encounter.  That some clown can sneak out a reference about anti-semitism, sneak in a reference about predicting cataclysmic economic troubles, and obscure events and names  in the cult’s history becomes immaterial.

In other news, the controversial neoconservative strategist Laurent Murawiec has passed away.  A check into the Internet reveasl some French language posts (makes sense) you’d have to check and translate yourself, this item for the National Review, and this for Pajamas Media.  This thing to “Britania Radio” is most curious, because in the past what’s washed over to me from that site are these items.  One tribute to him is that one can assess his work without reference to his writing for Executive Intelligence Reivew.

Apparently Leatherstocking has never heard of Webster Tarpley.  Tarpley fans want to strip Tarpley from the roster of Larouche related posts.  Leave Tarpley on it.
In other news, Leatherstocking wants to downplay the most important political work where he’s had a tangibly notable effect on society at large, such as the AIDS crusades, in favor of up-playing his tangibly non-notable Economic Doomsday Cult Forecasts — referenced by hard to figure out what they are foreign sources.  He also wants Jeremiah Duggan to be stripped from the roster of related items, and demands sourcing for proof that Jeremiah Duggan was a member.  And Leatherstocking has submitted the Kenneth Kronberg entry for the second time for consideration of deletion — where the consensus is “Keep” — and, sure enough, he also wanted to delete “Jeemiah Duggan“.

All of this is important in the sense that Wikipedia citations by lay people matter.
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You want to know something?  I kind of hate this New Republic article about Alex Jones.  I deem too much misdiagnoses with it.  I don’t know if maybe I’m having a problem with the New Republic when it ventures into these fringe political figures — certainly I have to say my problem with this article on Jones is different than my problem with Conor Clarke’s Larouche puff piece of a couple years’ back.  There certainly is a thematic connection to be made between Alex Jones and Glenn Beck, and there are things to be explained on the relationship between Alex Jones and more mainstream politics, but this article fails to do so.  Maybe I’m suffering a problem of vantage points.  Michelle Goldberg apparently heard Alex Jones, or knew of Alex Jones, and thought “Hey!  He sounds like Glenn Beck!”  On the most recent turn of Glenn Beck, I thought “Hey!  He’s moving toward Alex Jones territory.”
Incidentally, the first time I heard Glenn Beck, around 2002, I thought “Rush Limbaugh on ADD”, and “Almost certainly comes from FM morning radio.”  I didn’t have enough interest to look into it, but sure enough, salon recently profiled his biography, and threw this clip out into wider circulation.

“I fear a Reichstag Moment.” — Beck

That fear goes around, swirls around.  Every stupid tragedy becomes that moment.  It is something the Lyndon Larouche organization has an intuitive understanding, and while I take the Larouche organization’s constant references to the Reichstag fire to be something of a (Fantasy, mind you) “Human Cookbook” thing, it does bind into general paranoia hysteria.  Take the path the 9/11 Truth Movement takes with PNAC’s document “Rebuilding American Forces or somehting or other”.

Back around March, the Alex Jones website (I look at prisonplanet on a daily basis) was publishing — seemingly a campaign — on the New Eugenic Program.  Apparently the Global Elite met at their annual Bilderberg meeting, where they discussed plans on wiping out half the Earth’s population.  This is the direction our puppet masters have decided to take.  This line easily submerged into the most paranoid (and auto-pilot) of the opposition to Health Care policies.  Notable too that the National Review had a cover article on “Creeping Eugenics”, and it’s a testament to how hard it is to discuss matters of death that Time had its stupid headline “The Case for Pulling the Plug on Grandma”.

It’s about there that I start with the case that this suppostion of Sigh here — back to Max Blumenthal’s article — is wrong.
Back in August, in The Daily Beast, Max Blumenthal revealed that the Hitler/Obama meme got its impetus from the Lyndon Larouche organization, who began to develop it during the debate over the stimulus package.
I’m just guessing, but I imagine the first Obama Hitler came from about when Obama hit the national stage from an Alan Keyes supporter.  As for where the Obama Anti-Christ came from — I don’t know… From wherever this comes from.

Though, to the degree that it has some validity to it — Lyndon Larouche did nothing.  The brains of the operation seems to be around about Anton Chaitkin.  And you know something a bit odd about Chaitkin?  He occasionally can get out from underneath the “Lyndon Larouche associate” in various media.  I noted that when The Guardian referenced him as just the latest “Right-wing Commentator” to compare the British Health System with Hitler.  No allusion to Larouche.  Funny, huh?  That harks back to the days of, round about 1973, when the New York Times covered his mayoral run (straight-faced) and the Labor Committee’s odd little “Papa Doc Fascism” of the alliance betwwen the Haitian Leader and the White Oppositon’s coalition partnership to divide New York City amongst racial lines so as to keep keep the Working Class down… or thereabouts.  With no reference to Larouche.

Or, to the first Bush administration, and the second Bush Administration, and that book which gets some play — co written by Webster Tarpley (whom Leatherstocking has never heard of).   (Flipping right and left with Bush.)   For what it’s worth.   Warrior Society Radio, an Alex Jones proto Internet radio program: Must-see Video Interview of Historian Anton Chaitkin. Being supervised by Prince Charles. Liverpool Care Pathway overseen by British National Health Service. Head of it is now in US working with AARP and HMO’s .

But I don’t really know what Chaitkin’s agenda is.  Webster Tarpley gets to float his boat on the Alex Jones program.  Chaitkin gets to be mentioned sans reference to Larouche in The Guardian.  And together, they get mentioned on Democratic Underground over the past eight years for writing a book of “revelations” about Bush — the passages that swerve into how Larouche is a “political prisoner” of this Prescott Bush Program conveniently ignored and mentally clipped away.

Larouche?  Other than being compared to whomever the current fringe dweller of the day is for the past four decades, having his followers make attempts at wikipedia to float him as Internationally Respected Economist and downplay more pertinent history, Why, he seems to be mentioned by Keith Olbermann a bit as of late, as I see in searching transcripts for such utterances — for purpose of an attack at Rush Limbaugh:

Runner up, Boss Limbaugh, once again reducing the world to cliches he and dumb people like and can easily understand. The subject this time, the Olympic vote. “Obama cannot win in a fair vote. The only thing missing in that vote over there today was Acorn. If had a Acorn representation stuffing ballot boxes , registering fake IOC members, then maybe Chicago would have had a chance. Obama couldn`t do that. Couldn`t get Acorn over there. See, Obama doesn`t debate people. He clears the field.” Do you know anything about the Olympics? About the fact that the International Olympic Committee and the U.S. Olympic Committee have had more disputes between them than, say, we do with Fox News, that we may not see the U.S. get the games again in our lifetime over fights over TV rights and marketing fees that would still be there even if Lyndon Larouche were president?
I`m tempted to ask you, sir, not to talk about things you don`t understand, but if I did that, your show would be three hours of silence.

Interesting to note, to tell some part of the population exactly what they want to hear — seemingly just to keep their 50 Youth members in line — this is supposedly an Impeachable Offense. (Godlikeproductions went on to cover the October Doomsday prediction.  The economy is bad enough that the 100 Youth Members can be sold some bill of good, I suspect.) [The reference to 100 members caught by xlcer at factnet.)

Wait.  He’s running in 2012? (open secrets link regarding presidential pacs to be posted there when I get some time.) Whatever, This probably explains about half his votes.

In other news:

Quirk #1: For complete whack-a-doos, they’re surprisingly polite. This is not my experience, but whatever.
It almost took me aback the first time I passed by the LaRouche movement’s booth, and spoke with one of their supporters for the first time. While trying all sneaky-like to snap these covert pictures for the True/Slant post I instantly knew I wanted to write, one of the young men handing out information stopped me and asked — with a completely straight face and warm tone of voice — if I had heard our President’s agenda was slowly transforming into that of Adolf Hitler. And that I was welcome to take all the pictures I wanted.

Who are these people? I appreciate your allocation of your valuable time to read this with an open mind. Once you have reviewed this information please let me know, is this likely what I suspect it to be? That is part of the over all British plan for mass murder?

Answer: the same people as these, whether they know it or not.

Back to Glenn Beck to Alex Jones to Lyndon Larouche.  Lyndon Larouche referenced Jones as a g’damned “populist”.  And Jones references Beck as a tool of the Oligarchy, Gate-keeper for the Neo-Cons.  Make of the thematic connections what you will.

Hm.

Cue Leesburg directed typing on Obama commenting, fearing in cower, over the Larouche Organization.  And Cue, well some piece of at least moderately understandable bs such as this.  I’ve said about all that can really be said about that, repeatedly.
As for Ann Coulter, and her “Liberal Plants”.  In the Chris Elliott “novel” Into Hot Air, Michael Moore admits that he is a right-wing plant, and states that the Liberals have their own set of plants with people like Ann Coulter.  Oh wait… that’s a spoiler.  Damned.  Now I’ve completely ruined Chris Elliott’s “novel” for everybody.

Incidentally:  Why is this letter writer defending Rachel Brown’s question at (and at is the proper word there) Barney Frank? (A slight bit of balancing here, which is something I’ve read there and here, but tend to doubt.)  It’s a little depressing:

How much longer will we allow personal gain to take precedence over the greater good of this country? When are we going to learn to work towards consensus and not against each other in a struggle to gain political power? How is it we have created a political system and a society in which we are so mistrustful of one another that we can no longer even sit at the same table and talk about issues reasonably?

Are we bent on self destruction?

OR… to move this further from the “Left” / “Right” paradigm:

LaRoucheisright / August 7, 2009 11:23 pm
The problem starts when you presuppose that the fight is between democrats and republicans.
The fight is between The slime-mold Oligarchy that runs this Ponzi scheme global financial system, and Lyndon LaRouche! When LaRouche
August 9, 2009 9:12 pm
Merlin is obviously one who still believes everything the media tells him. Well lucky for him that will change soon. LaRouche said August 12 is the deadline, end of the road for this system.

And here’s Gerald Pechenuk, ladies and gentlemen!  Celebrating a typical Buseo triumph in the German elections — Hegla Zepp Larouche is Mrs. .05 percent!

Another way of pointing to this “Way Different Axis” is to post this:
September 22, 2009 (LPAC)–As unusual, the interval up to Oct. 12-15, must be treated as a highly probable point at which everything begins to disintegrate throughout the world, especially for the U.S.A. itself. For most of you, and I include the individuals within our association, this is not yet a personal reality – – yet. You have your personal schedule, which exists in simple clock-time, or a date on a calendar, but for most of you – – even you! – – world-time and personal-time tend to be disconnected notions of actuality.

Meanwhile, as of as early as Oct. 12-15, personal life as you have thought you knew it, could come suddenly to a jolting end. Compare it to an adult on the streets of Manhattan (for example) on the early morning of Dec. 7, 1941. Passers-by do a double-take as they hear someone exclaim in angered protest: “But, I had an important appointment scheduled for today!”

It might not happen between exactly Oct. 12-15, 2009, but it is on the way for some time near that, as of now. There has never been the danger of a recession, or even a depression during the recent three years; what will happen now, and soon, is a general breakdown- crisis throughout the entire planet, a crisis which feels to the victim as like “World War III” when it hits. Even so, even among you, some people will be protesting that they have one or another sort of personal plan for the day that ordinary minutes on the clock feel like hours-long torture by an eon of hopelessness, because they have refused to consider that such an event as that could ever actually happen, not to someone else, but to them.

What I am doing, or, better said, what some other people see as on my agenda, but not their own, will, for that reason, overtake them unprepared. For that reason, such individuals, even among us, will panic, because their confidence that it could never happen to them has caught them unprepared for what they had brushed aside with words such as, “They would never let that happen!”

Don’t bother me with that. On the day the dam breaks, I will be so busy with really important things which I alone am really prepared to do, that I will have no time for telling you that it didn’t really happen.

Yeah, it’s… what it is.  If you guys keep this up the Zombie Defamation League is going to file a lawsuit.

Here we see a member of that org (Howeard Gibson) accuse a fan of punk rock of being a fan of punk rock, which I think they view as British Imperialism or something.  Which is why they have a problem with American or UK sources in editing wikipedia. I’m beginning to think you don’t like any U.S. or U.K. sources. Will Beback talk 19:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC) (Where we also see Leatherstocking attempt a Holy Grail in slashing away “Beyond Pscyhoanalysis.”)  That and the better to sneak in the “Huge in Russia” thesis.
It appears there’s a new Krusty the Clown sock puppet nom de plome on wikipedia, who wants to pull the articles under the rule of this.  It is to laugh, and a reminder always take the wikipedia articles as things to be taken with a grain or two of salt.  The org has clearly seen that in their recent “Most Newsworthy (of sorts) in Two Decades” stint, a lot of people chunk up the wikipedia articles.

Anyway, it could be worse for Buseo.  They could be the Die Tierschutzpartei party… if I’m reading this chart right.  It makes sense if you’re harking against the American president.  And they say Europeans find the American debate on Health Care Policy bizarre… which it is, but not as bizarre as Buseo.