If you had told me this guy would, months after this interview, make it to the Seate chambe, to growl at the podium…

Just like all those Seators he so reveres…

Sure, but what do the symbols mean to this guy who sees mentioning “pasta” and “pizza” as symbolic covers for heinous acts?

In consideratiuon for now in vogue…
Your Beer Hall Putsch of things…
We’re a decade away from this guy being dictator?

CIVIL WAR BREAKs OUT IN LAROUCHE-LAND. Twitterers turns snippy.

Hoo boy. Reputations hang in the balance. The reputation in question?larouche pac b like “here’s how trump can win if more people listen to beethoven”
It’s “lpac” vetsus “lorg”, and we see that Howie G chooses his side, slamming LPAC by implying (gasp) they’re down with The Beatles.
Sorry, Ben Franklin wasn’t a fan of the Beatles… Maybe Larouche Pac can make The Beatles” their official musical icon now? But if you want to think like Beethoven, go to lorg.
Ben holds it down for LPAC with biting sarcasam.
Good point, I remember reading Franklin’s critique of the Beatles… Very intelligent point you’re making.
To which Howie G makes it personal and does not allow lpac to claim the name “larouche”: yes barbaraboyd pac is having Beatles look alike remote concerts soon to fundraise…. or if you want to think like Beethoven, go to lorg.
And Ben ” goes there”.
Sounds like you should seek some help. There are many good programs out there,
Moving down the list on classic rock radio, Howie G lets the insults flow with another group.
As tears go by…. when is the Rolling Stones concert guys? You can do “look alike” … Maybe Larouche Pac can make rock star official musical icon now? But if you want to think like Beethoven, go to (lorg).
To which the official lpac tweet feed defends its honor by foundational rights.
Not at all sure what you’re referring to re: “Rolling Stones,” but thanks for the promotion of the PAC founded by Lyndon LaRouche!
Will Howie G move on to reference Cheap Trick? Time will tell.

And here we have Ben at lpac making a charge against Helga and LORG …
not joining in the fight…
Boom! I called it perfectly. #sunshinepatriots deployed to the opposite side of the main activity, just so you can lead your broadcasts saying, “I was there.”
BURN!

II. Your warning to the Left.
recent discourse has convinced me that we may see another larouche moment on the left as opportunists attempt to weld chauvinism, conspiracy theory and a workerism of cultural signifiers.
And, an analysis.
Along the same lines… “Red Flash tendencies”.

III. A note to Matthew Sweet, who keeps (understandably enough) passing this line: The prosecutor in the case was the young Robert Mueller.. According to Molly Kronberg posting at the factnet forum not at factnet anymore, Mueller had the most minimal of involvement in the case — nevermind its convenience for Trump era Larouche storylines and nevermind no one outside of laroucheland will think anything of Mueller if it were the case.

A note to Bruce Todd: Who is to blame if Trump does not pardon Snowden, Assange amd especially Larouche? (And where was Bill Weld, winner of one delegate in the 2020 Republican nomination contest, at the Republican roll call?)

IV. We see that Harley Schlanger now gets referenced as “LaRouche Foundation spokesman”, as an entry the SGT Report, this does not put him in lpac or lorg.
An anti-China Larouchie… I guess ripe for the picking by lpac but not lorg.

We see lpac stick up a “Mission of lpac”, which I gather may be a statement of principles in this civil war.
Which faction will answer this concern?

CIA is an extension of mi-6, the Queen’s personal intelligence service. This is the hard and hidden truth which is staring everyone in the face. China walks to the beat of the British Monarchy drum, as had the US for the past century. I can prove it to you, LaRouche already has

We see Daniel Burke getting dozens of replies, and tens of tesponses as he defends Trump’s right to tweets and pbs airplay. For example:
You’d think someone with plans to be a career politician would be aware the President can give statements anytime he wants to for press releases. Or just walk into a local Waffle House and start a fight so someone will record him crying about Pence being mean to him.
And the perpetual question… larouche, really?

V. A NYT article on Noxon supporters in the last days of his administration gets a Larouche allusion. Worth mentionioning, Larouche was right there on behalf of Nixon… Odd Lefties they.

VI. Winning friends and influencing people in the Great Washington Rush. Signs along the highway. And at strip malls…
Recently into December, a friend and customer who frequents a strip mall told me about a LaRouche PAC kiosk place near the retailers still campaigning for the president. That seemed fine before the election, and undestandable a few days after—during the tumult.
However, by Thanksgiving week, we most accepted, even grudgingly, the math that Joe Biden was really going to win. It seems the reality.
Still, the kiosk returned, at this point in time hoping to do what?
And I wonder if this is even helping the folks at the kiosk. They looked like neighbors of similar 60s age and could very well be me. They seem just as concerned as me. One can certainly empathize with that.

VII. Funny thing on this… here…

Donald Trump embarks on the next phase of his checkered career as a professional defendant, who will soon be spending more time in court than Perry Mason, the Cruz/Hawley axis of insanity is going to learn some harsh lessons, not the least of which is they have less chance of ever assuming the presidency than Lyndon LaRouche.
Round about here:
Without vast media attention, Trump’s influence will steadily dwindle. See, Huckabee, Mike. By 2024, Trump’s so-called “base” will pretty much consist of the Proud Boys, Alex Jones, Sidney Powell and the tiki torch crowd. Now there’s a gathering of braying beagles for you.
No mention of lpac or lorg. Even though I jad neen pondering a future disgraced Trump as a real “get” for the larouchies, but it does seem he has bigger platforms to “get”.
By 2024 would anyone be surprised to find Trump pimping My Pillows on Glenn Beck’s conspiracy theory radio show?

From the right a couple years’ back, an attempt to warn on Larouche.
If there is a conspiracy, LaRouche is your front-man and he’s trying his best to make Trump supporters seem intellectually weak, nutty and down right dangerous. Stop with the conspiracies and lets get back to trying to save our country.
I want to rescue the good name of conspiracy theorizing, but on the score here — hm… There is a broader prpblem than Larouche as spherehead to ” make Trump supporters seem” all that list.

Can go onto broader parts than contrarian minded prosecutors and defenders: It seems that there is a quick path to kookery for high level prosecutors. I don’t know the answer. I remember watching former US AG Ramsey Clark fall into this hole as well with his support for LaRouche and the Workers World Party.

VIII. LORG has lately been pumping up former surgeon genetal of the Clinton administratipn, Jocelyn Elders. It is worth pointing out the controversy which gave Bill Clinton his reason to fire her… And the specifics of it, which slide against Larouche ideology. The “Malthusian”ist question was whether teaching about masturbation in public schools may be good for population control. Elders’s response dod not directly respond to the ” population control” line.

IX. Noted sic: EIR Lead Article for SUNDAYY, December 20, 2020

And then… LaRouche PAC’s organizers on the ground January 6 in Washington, D.C. found the President’s supporters steadfastly committed to the movement Trump built and to expanding it to meet his promise to make America once again the manufacturing and industrial capital of the world and the center of profound discoveries on the frontiers of science. There was extraordinary and widespread recognition of the pioneering role of Lyndon LaRouche in creating the circumstance for overthrowing the occupation of our country by British, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley oligarchs.
Also there… LORG.

We see them linking to … I assume originally pegging an antifa provacateur for the violence and melee, but instead the Washington Timrs has an update…
Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that XRVision facial recognition software identified Antifa members among rioters who stormed the Capitol Wednesday. XRVision did not identify any Antifa members. The Washington Times apologizes to XRVision for the error.
They still have the Breitbart and asdorted alt right twitteters.

More from this gathering.
And spiritually about: Now is the moment my father said would come if a wacko like Lyndon LaRouche ever got elected. Well done MAGATs.

Quick shout out to Chinese media. Curiously, domestic consumption would stick with an equivalence with antifa or blm.

X. Memories…
ANDIn 1991, co-running GulfWatch, a daily news-sheet of the Scottish churches on the Gulf War & later published by Edinburgh Review http://alastairmcintosh.com/articles/1992-The-GulfWatch-Papers.pdf I had the LaRouche cult try to recruit me. Daily calls & faxes from Germany of “inside” info. Pushy! Soon sussed it as cultic.

AND
my grandpa had us helping him canvas as soon as we could speak in full sentences. I was 4 and hollering “No Larouche!” outside our polling place because my grandpa was pretty sure they wouldn’t arrest a preschooler for election
My dad loved to get into it with the LaRouchites. “So the Masons are part of this conspiracy? How high up do you have to be to know about it? My Dad’s a Mason. Does Dad know about this? And there’s this guy at my work…does Bob know? How can I find out?”

AND
recalling the one-two punch of the trotskyists and larouche people as i exited the student union like a year ago
larouche people were for sure significantly more deranged, i got around 30 seconds into talking to them before they mentioned “the british” (larouche dogwhistle for jews) and said they were to blame for the state of the modern world.

I’m old enough to remember when — if you wanted to hear stuff like this — you had to find the card table staffed by the LaRouche campaign at the ass-end of DFW airport.

AND I literally came across a LaRouchie stall once. The May edition of their paper said “NUCLEAR WAR TO BREAK OUT THIS MONTH!” The June issue said: “LAROUCHE PREVENTS NUCLEAR WAR!”

DELETED: 1974, college roommate’s brother, a serious larouchite
I got to read 100 page tracts on how American Civilization went off course after Benjamin Franklin
40 years later, in front of supermarket, a lady with a really off vibe, asking for signatures for her run for local office
when i say seriously off vibe, I mean one of those people you say hello to and go, whoa . . something wrong here
you could say LaRouche gave a lot of crazy people a purpose in life
if it kept them out of institutions, IMO, a net good for society.

As a kid I watched a Lyndon LaRouche hourlong ad. He was a respectable looking guy, using a respectable tone of voice, and speaking in complete sentences. Anyhoo, it didn’t take long to figure out that none of what he was saying made a whit of sense – Crenshaw fits that mold

Thomas Pynchon. Still out there.
I am curious what “scene” this “old timer to young whippersnapper” refers.

Interesting. I met with LaRouche supporters annually for about 15-years. I shared an expose which I asked them to read while I read their material.
Really? Interesting. I shopped once or twice in a bookstore he apparently owned in Leesburg, VA. I mean America has a long tradition of tolerating outside opinion but it’s been discouraging to me to see just how many people have learned to hate the “establishment” in our nation.

Intetesting introduction into campuses:
He places a spotlight on uncommon guests “to expose students to possibilities they may never have imagined.” Further, this instructor connects the guest speakers to an assignment. His students hear from libertarians, socialists, and followers of LaRouche. After engaging with these three ideological standpoints through reading materials and the guests’ talks, students write a paper articulating an argument on which position is most convincing, and whether that ideological standpoint stands a chance of being incorporated into American politics.

Georgia Senate run-off Election analysis:
My sense is Perdue and Loeffler could have survived any 2 of these 3: being unimpressive candidates, GA shifting purple, and Trump being a maniac.

The most recent predecessors — most notably the 2008 election where a Democrat who came off the coat-tails of Obama to a 3 or 5 point loss and then was swamped utterly in the run-off — the very white waspy Democrat making a fool of himself in the run-off by doing a get out the vote effort standing next to some popular hip hop artists — tells the tale of number two in this list. I have no clue how to mark the first item on this list — the current political landscape is politically aligned and soul-crushingly homogenous — we see it in that there are six, count em SIX — three from each party– senators representing states carried by the other party on the presidential ticket.

Item three is where anyone focuses. I sighed deeply as I went ahead and read the — dishonest — explainer on the “stolen election” at the American Conservative magazine — probably, for anything worthwhile the comments section is what should be read, but nonetheless I wanted to guage a “what the hell is the claim”. A few specific claims I suppose yoy can go hunt if you have the time float in a general mass of easy to refute suppositions. Biden underperformed in the cities, you see, and over-performed in the suburbs.
Part of this has something to do with the continuing antics of the Spanish Civil War re-enactors. If we must place the two sides on an equivalence, the antifa forces storming the city central and the black lives matterers taken to shining lights in peoples’ houses at nights — alienate some in the city, with enough distance in suburbia to stick by the social justice trappings coming with ” black lives matter”.

The Republicans would have won these run-offs had Trump behaved even half-way as McCain and Palin did in 2008 — of course, they had reason to campaign for the Republican senator in sane and sensical manner that Trump maybe didn’t — being Republicans after all. The message was putting a check on the incoming Democratic administration, stopping a sixty seat Democratic Senate. Surely a message transferable to this fifty seat Senate.
The problem becomes one where Trump would not allow anyone in the suburbs to think about anything but Trump. Nowhere to pivot from still needing to vote to repudiate this faction of Spanish Civil War re-enactors looming there, about to strike on the day after the election on behalf of Trump.

This is how it is Marat
this is how she sees your revolution
they have a toothache/and think their teeth should be pulled
one man’s shoes pinch/while another man’s shoes fit comfortably
their soup is burnt/they shout for better soup!
a man finds his wife too skinny/he wants a plumper one
a woman finds her husband too short/she wants a taller one
a poet runs out of verse and desperately grasps for new images
for hours the angler casts his line/why aren’t the fish biting?
and so they join The Revolution
thinking The Revolution
will give them EVERYTHING
a fish
a poem
a new wife
a new husband
a new pair of shoes
and the best soup in the world
and so they storm all of the citadels
and there they are
and everything is just the same
no fish biting
verses botched
shoes pinching
a worn and stinking partner in bed
and the soup?
BURNT

From The Persecution and Assassination of Jean Paul Marat as Performed by the Inmates at the Asylum at Charenton Under the Direction of the Marquis de Sade.

The equivalence argument gets bizarre at times… As though it doesn’t reflect back and by definition. And then you get to tbe politicians on behalf of the anarchists on the left side of the Spanish Civil War re-enactment… Not quite there as opposed to wrapped behind Trump. Note Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s recent rhetorical ploy in claiming a Republican budgetry bill was… “Defunding the police”.

Well (from comments)

Hopefully it will turn out as an empty show, with incels compensating for something by parading with their guns in the DC Capitol as earlier in the year they did in State Capitols at Trump’s urging (#LiberateVirginia, #LiberateMichigan, etc). But it only takes a single crazy man with a semiautomatic weapon to turn this into a mass shooting, so it feels like playing Russian roulette. Very irresponsible, and shame on Trump’s enablers for fueling this too, they should have known better.
What is going on in Trump’s mind, declaring martial law as Flynn was urging ? For this to be a Reichstag Fire, there should be some plausible way to frame Antifa or BLM for it, but crowds wearing MAGA hats make this framing rather difficult.

Predictably it is out there.

“In any other conceivable moment in US history, this tape would result in the leadership of both parties demanding the immediate resignation of the President of the United States,” Carl Bernstein.

Yeah, he oughta be impeached again.

Comments… The “Whataboutitism”…

Actually, the only thing worse then is when conservatives act like it. If we don’t like what Trump is doing, then we should link it to the fact that in 2000, 2016, and to a lesser extent 2004 we saw the same attacks on the integrity of our elections and electoral process (with calls to alter the Constitution no less), though miraculously in 2008 and 2012 and now in 2020 everything is hunky-dory. We shouldn’t parrot the same outrageous claims being made.

Barbara Boxer was not taken seriously and last I checkef Hillary Clinton conceded.

Hawley’s gambit is a step toward undercutting and therefore, maybe, at some point eliminating the EC. Basically Hawley and Trump are asking Congress to treat certified electoral votes as mere suggestions that can easily be set aside. On that principle, any losing party in any state can hereafter do what Republicans are doing this time: appoint a bunch of people who will sign a paper calling themselves “electors” and send that in to Congress as an alternate slate. Congress can then just dump the certified votes if it wishes to. The logical upshot is that we don’t really need to hold elections and collect popular votes in the first place, we can go with our feeling or sense of the “mood” of a given state. Does it seem like Trump should be popular in Georgia? Well then, let’s just go ahead and say he won it. Because otherwise the Trump voters there will “feel” that their “voices weren’t heard,” as Hawley puts it.

It gets worse. There’s no surprise in the fact that the GOP might want to nullify the people’s votes, which is what Trump and his enablers spent much of November and the first half of December trying to do. But now they’ve gone on to trying to nullify the Electoral College votes as well. This would amount to amending the Constitution sub silentio to allow Congress to appoint presidents as it wishes. We wouldn’t really need any presidential election at all, in the same way that a parliamentary system typically has no election for prime mininster, just for legislative seats. Of course, there would still be a danger that Democrats might win control of Congress from time to time and appoint Democratic presidents. That problem could be solved by creating a kind of executive council that controlled the Congress and appointed its own members. Perhaps a good name for such a council would be the “Politburo.”

Wasn’t this how Rome moved from a Republic?

Nothing….but nothing has stopped the Democrats from systematically seeking to delegitimize the election of every Republican victory since 2000. Nothing stopped the Democrats from seeking to stop, dispute, block, overturn, remove, or deny the legitimacy of George W. Bush’s victories – either in 2000, when Gore took things all the way to the Supreme Court; (Trump tried to doso, with even less success) nor in 2004, when Democrats objected to electoral college certification. Certainly nothing stopped the Democrats and their allies in 2016 (and every day since) from throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Trump.. (Not sure what that means. Just about everyone I know in the thicket of ” Resistance” accepted the reality, with shades of perspective on “what it means”. To quite a few it seemed to provide them with an elitist glee, confirmation on the rottenness of a part of the public — ” Amerika”, as it wete.

Look at Bin Laden. Gets a few crazies on a plane to cause a disaster and the US subsequently pisses away more than a decade and like $8 trillion chasing his specter around the Middle East. If history identifies one person responsible for bringing down the American empire more than any other, my vote is on him.
Look at Putin in 2016. Sticks his finger in Hillary’s eye for meddling herself in Russian elections by hacking a few emails, most Democrats subsequently treat Trump as illegitimate and tainted and now Republicans think turnaround is fair play and are openly throwing doubt on Biden’s win. With a very small act the entire American political system is starting to wobble… this is the sort of thing Washington has wanted for 20 years in Russia, and Putin entirely turned the tables. By hacking emails.

I need to find the quote from Fiona Hill ultimately down playing any Russian role in the election of Trump — he captured a zeitgiest and everone has to grapple with his four year’s legitimacy.

some more

I’m just so sick of all of them. Every politician in every party. “Humble servants of the American people” MY ASS. I’ve barely made it through the pandemic without landing in inpatient psych (just wait two more weeks!!!!!) and I don’t want to raise my kid in any more chaos than he’s already experienced, but at this point, the whole stupid “grand experiment in democracy” just needs to burn to the ground. We suck. America sucks. And the people who run America, they especially suck. If I was allowed into the Schengen Zone I think I’d just pack our bags and move us into some abandoned stone cottage in the middle of nowhere Central Europe and stay off the grid forever, but I’m barely allowed outside my own front door at this point, so….screw them all.. All righty then.

It’s likely simpler than all this. He sees that there is a sizeable number of Americans who want someone to get in and fight. They’re tired of Republicans who charge forth with white flags waving. They also have little patience for those who live rather high on the hog saying ‘We have to accept that our best days are behind us and things will be dim in the future … excuse me, but I have to catch my next flight to the next exotic location or party with the upper crust.’
They want someone who will stand up, even if it’s a lost cause like this. I have no doubt that the election was not stolen or rigged. Gamed? Yes. But stolen in the sense of ‘truck load of ballots taken from voting booths’? No. Nonetheless, the recent conservative leadership strategy or rolling over and playing … Media biases justify any counter-move at all?

Trump is constitutionally incapable of accepting responsibility for losing the election. The media did not make him boorishly call Stormy Daniels “horse face” on Twitter and say countless other eyebrow raising and cringeworthy things until the people just got exhausted with him. The American people want a president who acts like one. He was elected on contingency, given a chance with hopes that he would grow into the position. He blew it, and has done plenty since November to confirm the soundness of his collective rejection.. Odd to select that one somewhat forgettable Stormy Daniels offense, but the case works despite itself.

Yeah, in many ways it’s the logical endpoint of the years of prattling on Fox News and elsewhere about “Real Americans”, and the clear obverse to that concept… that Democrats or liberals or ” coastal elies” or

Heh. Maybe. But it’s also the case that the Democratic Party operates on the principle that only its constituents are true members of the polity. You really think the bluebloods in Seattle have any interest in sharing power with the wheat farmers of the Palouse? Pfft.

There is no actual ‘authoritarianism’ coming from anywhere on the right except Trump’s tweets which are a clown show to rile up the base and make them feel like they’re owning the libs for real this time. His actual governance was less authoritarian than Obama’s, a point made clearly by notorious alt-right hater Glenn Greenwald. Liberals firmly control every institution in this country except elected offices which are a more evenly mixed bag. These institutions as a whole are far more influential than the government (even if it was competent and not eternally gridlocked) in terms of changing American society and culture. The more salient delusion here is liberals who don’t see how thoroughly they’ve won and use Trump as an eternally-looming Leon Trotsky figure to justify the next step in the Great Purge.
Return to normalcy the lesser of two weevils.

The once exciting “race to the bottom” nfc east race ceased to be all that interesting. The Giants beat the Seahawks and the “Football Team” beat the Steelers, meaning the division was coming up with victories over good teams. The promise of the “nfc east as a joke” race was in shaving as close to them beating only themselves and the Bengals as could be, and in having multiple division last place teams besting them all.

As it were, the division is about to finish with a record of 23 – 40 – 1. Not really any drop-off from last season’s 24 – 40. Both are better than the NFC West of 2008, of a 22 – 42 record (if an unlikely superbowl appearance). And the 2014 NFC South — another one of the losing record division winners — comes in at 22 – 41 – 1. The 2008 afc west gets to 23 – 41. On that score, they are not the worst division ever, and so no longer interesting.

I suppose the only real way we can break new ground is with the strange possibility of the Giants getting in at 6 – 10 — that will happen if they beat the Cowboys and the Eagles beat the Football Team. I guess not likely, given the Eagles have declared they are benching players galore — though then again the Football Team has qb questions. The most likel outcome does get us that curiosity of a now successful team to cheer on in the playoffs… With a… Minimalist name, very avante garde.