Don Phau. A Larouchian. He spoke before a panel organized by Virginia governor Kaine to look into causes for the Virginia Tech shootings, and came out swinging against violent video games. Par for the course for the Larouchian contingency, his attacks were of a more hysterical focus than his fellow compatriots for his position.

Violent Video Games. You know. The type of video games in which the Virginia Tech shooter was not known for playing — at least not during his college years.  Or any other type of video game, for that matter.
I am breaking an unofficial rule of venturing into the politics of Larouche’s political crusades. It’s not as though there isn’t some reason for a person to believe video games are having some harmful affects on our children. My basic problem is that even by Larouche’s standards, his political opposition to video games rings hollow and false. I do not believe Lyndon Larouche gives a flying rip about violence in video games, or at least not directly.
But this whole arena leads him — and his immediate subserviants and employment– into some curious fits of ignorance. Larouche has Senator Joseph Lieberman as “Protector Of Hollywood’s Nintendo Brainwashers”. This is an interesting concept, as Lieberman is second to none in his criticism — or nagging if you prefer– of video game violence. But it is also curious in terms of company named — Nintendo, which is something akin to yelping about that heavy metal music in this year of 2007(*1). Nintendo is doing just fine, thank you very much, and I think the wii system has been a moderate bust, but the thing is… there was a moment in the mid-90s (I think, I’m only really vaguely aware of the video game industry) where Nintendo and Sony released the different versions of a new Mortal Kombat game, I believe. Sony’s was bloody, Nintendo’s wasn’t. Nintendo opted for a somewhat less “hardcore” and more family-friendly niche. Which may in fact mean that Lieberman is in the pockets of Nintendo lobbyists, what with his flailing about on video game violence, two wrongs making a right. But why would Larouche select Lieberman?
In other Larouche news, Lyndon Larouche trekked over to Russia in a historic trip and… do you care?

Okay. I have stood accused of … um… not balancing out anti-Larouche material with pro-Larouche material? This was back when I posted a series of posts on the history, from the mainstream media — filtering a bit with some odd Larouche pamphlets, and… I had not read anything from Dennis King, though the Larouchians assumed that I was just cribbing from him. (I’d be happy to do so now.) Other than that, I had posted a number of ex-Larouchites’ bitter experiences, and have posted any number of links to snide comments from … um… civilians who trekked into the Larouche realm (to a cadre shool, or just a greeting such as this encounter.) I suppose I can remedy that situation with this… positive experience shared on FACTNet:

Yes, I was a member of the west coast region. I was in Los Angeles. Yes, it was disturbing on what I saw of what was done to the older members. The tough part though is that a lot of Lyn’s theories are very sound ideas. In particular I love the possibility of freeing the third world from their dire situation. Are you sure Larouche knows about whats being done to the older members?(*2)

The reason why I left was not because of Larouche’s Ideas per say but because of the living standards. For example I had to wake up at 5:00 in the morning 3 mornings in a row for a cadre deployment and ended up vomiting during the deployment. After that Day I just felt very fatigued. I just couldn’t handle getting up really early and staying up real late. Not sure if it was because I was lazy or what it was. It seemed that everyone else was very energetic and not tired at all. I also had a stomach problem as well. I can say one thing for sure. Those 7 months were the most interesting 7 months of my life. Over all I think it was a positive experience. I still collaborate with them and they understood completely on why I felt it was best for me to leave and they are still very friendly with me. Some of the kindest people I’ve ever met in my entire life are in the movement. They’re very intelligent as well. Now of course I don’t agree with everything larouche says at all, and I hope the other members feel the same way as well.

I am attending Humboldt State University and right now am taking summer classes in Los Angeles. Not sure what I want to major in. I still love politics and absolutely want to make a positive difference in this world. I’m being dead honest when I say this. I didn’t experience what you guys are talking about with these horror stories in the movement. It was in a weird way a very relaxing environment. There would be a lot of excitement when something big was happening: such as when Alito was getting elected, but for the most part I felt at ease.

The food was crap, I didn’t get too great of a sleep too often, etc, but the people were friendly and wanted me to question things. There were a couple of members who were grumpy or cultish but i would say 95% of the members were fun to be around with.

[…] One reason why I left was because I wanted to learn more about the movement but it was hard to do so because I was constantly deploying. So ever since I left, I’ve been reading, reading, and reaing. That’s pretty much it. Reading Larouche, Reading the thinkers larouche mentions a lot, Reading the thinkers Larouche considers scumbags, etc.

Sounds like a very productive way to spend one’s time, don’t you think? He goes on to entreat you to double cubes. I myself have not doubled any cubes. Squares are another matter. I invite everyone to go a Larouche card-table with a piece of toilet paper and beg them to “Double This Square, Damneditall!”… um… you know, to help out Rosie O’Donnell.

(*1) Speaking of which, Don Phau wrote anti-heavy metal music articles for Larouche in the 1980s. It’s all starting to fit a pattern. (*2) Har de Har Har. Sigh.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist won a much-needed victory Saturday night in the Southern Republican Leadership Conference straw poll, a win that could begin to revive his 2008 presidential prospects after a difficult year politically in 2005.“We are gratified at the result of a lot of hard work,” said Eric Ueland, Frist’s chief of staff. “The leader is focused on ’06 and our party is focused on a strong positive vision for ’08.”

While the Frist victory (with 37 percent of the vote) was somewhat expected, the strong second-place finish of Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (14 percent) was a bit of a surprise.

Bill Frist reportedly bused in a a lot of his supporters to what was his home turf in order to ensure he won this much bally-hooed Straw Poll. All the power to him for, argurably, rigging the process. It did a lot of good for his presidential bid, didn’t him?
Reportedly Mitt Romney did something similar to the CPAC conference. Or, to be more precise, the Mitt Romney crew campaigning around kind of annoyed the attendes.

Now the question I have: does the rigging of that completely unscientific straw poll make Bill Frist’s supporters of the time “Cultic”? And… the same with the family and friends of Mitt Romney at the CPAC conference?

I am referencing this in relation to the frustrating voices that Ron Paul supporters (or, as his critics are calling him, followers) are “rigging” Internet polls, as well as that there Fox News text messaging poll.
I note this posting as an especially jarring burn:

After seeing Ron Paul’s followers in action since, I’m starting to wonder what it is about him. I have received some amazing emails from people who hunted down my real-life email address, and started sending me masses of “information.” Plus some threats (not to me but about what the future would be like without Ron Paul as President). Plus, a whole lot of “if you dont suport Ron Paul your not a real conservtive”[sic].

One of the parallels I remember from my college days was a table that would get set up every day at UH, operated by a fanatical supporter of a man who pretty much runs a cult: Lyndon LaRouche. LaRouchies are borderline insane. They hang on every word of LaRouche. At the table, they had publications that said he’d predicted things like stock market fluctuations and other events (the quotations could never be sourced and weren’t even sourced to their own publications for verification purposes), and they were crazy. One of the more entertaining things at UH was to sit down with them and work out what they were actually thinking, which usually was “LaRouche is my god.” […]

Interestingly, LaRouche supporters and Ron Paul supporters have an interesting number of parallels, even with some differences.

– Both claim to be from an established party (Ron Paul a Republican or Libertarian RINO, LaRouche claims to be a Democrat)
– Both run very much on a cult of personality
– Both make sweeping statements and accumulate people who set up their entire worldview around what the cult leader says.
– Both make claims about things they’ve said that aren’t necessarily verifiable

– Both are complete freaking lunatics

The key difference is that the Republicans have somehow allowed Ron Paul to maintain office, while the Democrats don’t have to deal with that.

Now, I have been meaning to put up a post of some rambling thoughts in my head about the oddness of electoral campaigns in that they are, to some degree, running off of Cults of Personalities, and enforcing the same. I don’t know, I may have already done so. There is no getting around this. Don’t believe me? What is this photograph? And, I like Howard Dean, but there was this particular moment of unease where I saw a blogger say that there was a chant of “We are Dean”. Which was a joke if there ever was one.
But it is limited. I know from Larouche. Ron Paul is no Lyndon Larouche. Ron Paul is an ideolouge, in love with his ideas of governing (or lack thereof). Call him a “Libertarian wacko” if you want, but he is operating off of something beside demanding Humanity glorify Ron Paul. That he is the most ideological member of Congress puts him in the distinctive position of being basically the most honest member of Congress — a constant, easily marginalized force. Meanwhile, Lyndon Larouche’s ideolougy boils down to… wait for it, I’ve used this phrase on this blog before… “Look! A crisis! Me For Dictator!” He runs a Cult of Personality in every way, shape, and form. This sets himself up as grossly dishonest, and…

Please tell me that Ron Paul, or his campaign, is writing internal memos such as:

Fortunately, a few of us were not inclined to die willingly. In the concluding years of the Y2000 U.S. Presidential campaign,the beginning of a resuscitation of the organization was underway under my leadership initiatives. These initiatives included the founding of an adult youth movement, an initiative which was met with strong, vigorous opposition, and attempted political sabotage, even from within leading parts of the association,through the time of what proved to be the highly effective July
2004 deployment into the Boston Democratic convention.

So, with the emergence of that adult youth movement, we began traveling the unavoidably hard road of rebuilding a shattered, and worn-down association. […]

The LYM, as I have defined its required organization and methods, is the only available way in which our organization can actually earn significant amounts of income to support our activities today. Therefore, it would be the lack of that policy which would be the greatest of the systemic varieties of threat to our capabilities today.

People in the “68er” age-interval, as typified by those born between, approximately, 1945 and 1957, are reaching out toward the age of retirement from any vigorous employment. Those born shortly before 1945, are on the way to retirement age. Thus, to state the cruel fact of the matter: who would make a long-term investment in their future economic contribution? Meanwhile, those who entered the LYM ranks about five years ago, or somewhat later, have more than fifty adult years of active economic life ahead of them; they represent a viable long-term investment.”

” Yet, in fact, the continued existence of society in a civilized form depends absolutely on the LYM’s generation. Not only does the LYM typify the best recruits from their generation, the educational and practical orientation established for, and by the LYM is peculiarly suited to the needs for a youthful adult leadership assigned to lead the entire population out of the cultural morass of a society whose reigning generation is destroying itself and civilization generally.

Without the effect assigned to the role of the LYM and comparable young-adult programs, there is no reason to invest confidently in the future of any nation of European civilization, or, perhaps, even beyond. The LYM typifies the last available hope, that, in time, the world can be rescued from the greatest collapse, globally, world-wide, in modern world history as a whole.

Whoever is getting money these days, the LYM is actually earning it for us all.

That be a cult, interested in the control of its people’s lives. I can assure you that Ron Paul’s memorandum is not terribly interested in how to control its people’s lives.

Now, Paul does not represent mainstream Republican politics, or mainstream national politics. This seems to be the main beef of the anti-Paul factions, and the anger at seeing him at the Republican debates as well as campaigning about. Which I tend to simply say: Bully for him. I’ve thought of him partially as the Republican version of Dennis Kucinich, but even this is off a bit — if you do your best to scrunch politics to one dimension, Kucinich will be more or less just further to the left than everyone else. I can’t conceptualize Paul in the same manner. Still, there are similarities — not least is a variety of political handicapping that I see in this statement:

Stop trying to take the Sean Calamity approach and play off his success as anthing other than support from the party base. Is it really so frightening to you neocons to realize that the majority of the Replican party thinks you’re all wrong????

Ignoring a slur for the Republican party to “Replican”, odd in the sense that he is claiming the Republicans are supporting Ron Paul which he would consider a positive– it is patently absurd to say that Ron Paul (1) “succeeded” at anything with that damned text-poll and (2) the majority of the Republican Party believes in what Ron Paul says on the key issues. Actually, the cult-like sensibility comes with the inability to leave two strains of thoughts alone: for whatever reason, it’s a mixed message, that last sentence — insult the party with the name, and then proudly proclaim it as being on your side.

I keep half a thought in reading King’s book on what I could drag out onto this blog.  It seems most of what I’d want to settle from his book onto here, for … oh… Chris?  … I’ve already done and dealt with, independent of goddamned or godblessed Dennis King.  But some things pop out, the mainstream media of which I had relied on was not paying attention to some things, some things that pop out in Larouchian discourse today.  Witness:
Item #1:  an encounter I recently had trying to cross Commonwealth Avenue. Somebody (who looked and sounded like a German exchange student) approached me and said, “What are your plans for the development of the solar system in the next fifty years?”

Hans wanted to know why I didn’t have plans to develop the solar system.
I tried to explain that with the time and distance involved, it wasn’t practical, and that more importantly, I didn’t particularly care about developing the solar system.
Hans wanted to put 200 billion people on Mars. Then he started talking about how modern science was a conspiracy against human progress. Then he asked why I hadn’t read the complete works of Kepler. Then he talked about Bush and the Right-Wing Conspiracy. I think all my professors were in the conspiracy as well.

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Item #2:   One of those fascinating items from our history is Operation Paperclip.  It is something worthy of speculative and uneasy conspiratorial fodder.  The United States and the Soviet Union inarguarted the Cold War by scooping up Nazi scientists, and employing them in our military industrial complexes.  Cheekily, we can credit the advantage the Soviets had over the Americans in the early Space Race with the fact that they happened to have nabbed better Nazis than we did.

The uneasy conspiratorial speculation runs along the lines of — to what degree did they infect their host nations with their nazi ideologies?  If I were thinking a bit more darkly, I would contemplate that the nazis had a sort of alliance across the two spheres of influence, and continued to plot and proceed plotting with their dreams of the 1,000 Year Reich.  This is sort of dashed quickly, because it seems we more easily had two sets of Dr. Strangelove types.  In the American case, advocating SDI not so much for defense, but for offense against the Soviets.
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Item #3: From Dennis King’s book (You know the one), pages 80-81 or thereabouts…

FEF = Fusion Energy Foundation, Larouchian advocacy organization.  old-timers = ex-Nazi scientists, here in the 1980s.  Kraft Ehricke (*)

In 1985 the old-timers held their fortieth reunion at the Alabama Space and Rocket Museum beneath a giant picture of von Braun. Linda Hunt, a former Cable Network News reporter, recalled a darkened auditorium full of aging Naziss eagerly watching a slide show of the latest laser-beam weapons. She said taht when the lights went on, the FEF’s Marsha Freeman went to the front and delivered a tirade against the OSI to ahearty applause.

This event was mild compared with the Krafft Ehricke Memorial Conference held that year in Reston, Virginia. Sponsored by the FEF and the Schiller Institue, it united support for SDI, defense of Nazi war criminals, glorification of Peenemunde, and a messianic vision of the conquest of outer space. Fusion boasted that participants included “military, scientific, and diplomatic representatives from four continents.” Former top Nazi cientist Hermann Oberth sent greetings from West Germany hailing Ehricke’s “vision of Homo Saphiens Extraterrestris,'” the New Man who would leave behind the “flaming harbors of the Earth.” Speakers included Admiral Zenker and Peenemunde rocketeer Konrad Dannenberg. Larouche gave the keynote address, entitled “Krafft Ehricke’s Enduring Contribution to the Future Generations of Global and Interplanetary Civilization.” Resoultions were passed calling on President Reagan to adopt Laourhce’s crash program for SDI and halt the Justice Department’s investigations of the old timers. Since the only timers being probed were those allegedly served at Mittelwerk, the FEF/Schiller Institute’s hoopla about underground factories on the moon and the spirit of Peemunde in space technology was suggestive, at the least.

Over the next two years LaRouche assumed Krafft Ehricke’s mantle. He outlined plans for cities on Mars and in the asteroid belt — an extension of his earlier earthbound citybuilding schemes so reminiscent of the SS plans for Aryan colonies in occupied Russia. His prototype design for a space city was based on the geometry of cosmic spirals. He said his inspiration had come from the work of German scientists who, at the end of the war, while “awaiting reassignments” had amused themselves by drawing up plans for rebuilding the Ruhr.

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Item #4, from an ex-Larouchite posting at FACTNet, a fairly quick clip on how these associations damned legitimate technological goals:  Democracy is not a strongpoint for Lyn, and no matter how valid some of his views may seem they reflect the worst aspects of Plato’s philosopher king ideal. To this day, I still support the idea of fusion research, although again Lyn treated it as a catchall, and I have no idea whether the fusion torch will be around in less than another 50 years.

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(*) Great.  Even Larouche’s kooky ideas are lifted from elsewhere.  Damnedit.

Um. Heh.

Okay. Favorite part. “Check this out. Gore’s Hedge Fund Partner. His name is Blood.” “Too good to make up.” “Yeah, you can’t make that up.”
Cue the photo from the pamphlet — I don’t know “Gore’s Global Warming Hoax and the International Synarchist Implications of his Sexual Congress with the Beast – Men”, or something to that effect — and… an indescribable photograph found at minute 6:07.

I was tempted to very slightly defend this Larouchite, in the sense that it is common to have political conversation in line with more standard political spectrum — or less cult-induced people with the same outlandish realm of conspiracy theory — and it sometimes comes across as just as silly. But, um… no. Besides which, if I am to believe something posted at FACTNet, Larouche has issued an order for Larouchies to not reply to any web postings, so… ALL HANDS ON DECK and UNLOAD!!

“What do you think of the art school?”

“I think they’re kind of de-generates. They’re not trying to create a Renaissance.”

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A shout-out to hey now, brownpau. While I don’t make it a point to link to any and all people who link here, I don’t make it a point not to link to anyone, and in this case I need to respond to and extrapulate on the excerpt he lifted. I did not coin the phrase “Me For Dictator”. That came from a book review for Lyn Marcus’s “Dialectical Economics”, the reviewer having no awareness of just who the author was came to the conclusion that “The author appears to be a ‘Me-for-Dictator’ type that I really wouldn’t trust handing over the economy to.” (I’ll get the exact quote if forced to.)

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A word on how the Larouche pamphlets are written.  Although, to be frank, there’s only a smidgeon of insight I didn’t gather out of hand.:

His reading is basically done by looking at the cover, jackets a chapter and then , now this is important, a summary by the staff. In NYC we had a dozens of people who knew a lot of things and did research. A guy named Peter Rush did a prioject where he took as many papers done by members and indexed them in a library of sorts. What caem of that was an embarassment of sorts. it seemed that if you looked at any of Lyn’s writings you figure out the formula. You take a subject of current politcal value like Ted Kennedy. You then link him to what ever is the main fundraising issue such as a KGB/Russian takeover of the world. you now take one of those research papers and find the key thesis and link it to that. So the end is a centerfold article where about two paragraphs mention Kennedy, more pragraphs mention some historical situation adn then you fill it up with the standard 5000 years of conspiracy, throw in Aristotle and then some new tid bit the poor LCer found and declare it a magnum opus that needs to be put out in a pamphlet or book for the masses. Read enough of this and you too can write this stuff for the LC. The poor LCer who did the long hours of work in the library does not even get a footnote and ends up cooing for Lyn’s wink instead of yelling that his or her hard work was stolen by this charlatan. The standard MO for us is that the phone organiser would make some issue sound reasonable so he would not be hung up. Once you snet them some of our lit, forget it. We would try hard to NOT have Lyn do meetings with our contacts because of how they would end up with Lyn demanding that they bankroll him or some crazy statement about the Queen of England or such.

Wait.  Larouche doesn’t write his own material?  Dagnabit!

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I have finally read Dennis King’s book, in drips and drabs. I’m trying to figure out what is most pertinent to post for the mish – mash of imperatives I have in bopping up to Larouche. I think I’ll go with some items of concern from Chapter 10. So look for it… coming up… soon.

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Ken Kronberg stuff:

I can go to almost any subject the LC and Lyn writes about and it will end up that way. Even with this, people in the FEF had some respect as they had degrees and did no talk like maniacs. they had a life where they could interview people, write articles and produce a magazine that did not look half bad.

For Lyn, it was real bad. It was bad because in a cult of personality, Lyn is the focus, nothing else. So in the early 1980s, Lyn issued a memo which made clear that unless your activity involved him, it was not allowed. The way it was worded was very clever in that it demanded that persuing the Larouche presidency was the only thing and every front group and publication had to support that.

You liked the Fidelio magazine. Ever wonder why it was not mailed out and promoted? Ken Kronberg created that and tried to make it something which was not crazy. There are reports of endless tirades by Lyn against Ken for trying to do that. The blood vessels would pop in Lyn’s head as he denounced Ken as a boomer over and over and then ended it with a demand for endless printing with out a single thought of how to pay for this. Oh, let me correct that. .There was a single thought , it was called have someone else run up a debt for supplies and have the members do it for nothing.

AND… a run-down of 1970s-era Larouche versus 2000s-era Larouche, from a 1970s-era Larouchie to the ambivalent Larouchie who I posted the words of a couple of Larouche-related posts ago:
Us Jimmy Carter worse than Hitler
You Al Gore Worse than Hitler.

Us Impeach Carter
You Impeach Cheney

Us Give money to stop KGB
You Give money to stop Synarchists

US Methadone pushed by Nuremburg Criminals
You Video games pushed by Nuremburg Criminal.

Us The world economy is going to crash.
You The world economy is going to crash.

US We are in a depression.
You We are in a depression of the physical economy.

Us Rockefeller runs the world
You British and the Jews run the world.
Most of us were in when the LC made the transformation from Rocky to the British and the Jews running the world. Most of us left.

Us 3 Mile Island was a hoax to eliminate people.
You Global warming is a hoax to eliminate people.

Us Chris White brainwashing done by Rock to stop the ICLC from taking power. Hoax by Lyn.
You Duggan death, hoax done by Cheney to stop LYM from taking power.

Us David Rockefeller and his family run the world and all that is evil.
You Cheney and his wife run the world and all that is is evil.

Us Leesburg Real Estate collapse will bankrupt the banks when people can not pay the notes.
You Lyn does not pay the notes on LC real estate to the banks and our people collapse.

Us Supporting Solar power is stupid and won’t work.
You Supporting solar power is evil and will kill off humanity

For a moment I thought about changing that rather generic “Political Discourse” to “a gutter outlet under the supervision of Wall Street Fascist John Train”. But I thought better of it. What would my other subject matter, for this past week at least, Mitt Romney think about being left out of the picture? I’m only marginally part of the conspiracy, and I suspect only as an after-thought. Really, the conspiracy pretty much centers around Dennis King, he of… um… High Times magazine article fame.

Scary guy, that John Train.

There is more on the conspiracy over here, at the very happening Larouchepac, which together with EIR (but it’s undoubtedly from the same computer terminal) has been kicked into high gear and has been pumping out a whole mass of dreck for the past few days.
There is one quick item from the first paragraph worth considering.

Pro-fascist New York investment banker John Train’s long time hod-carrier, Dennis King, has launched a scurrilous slander campaign against Lyndon LaRouche. King has posted a series of smears on his website and other internet blogs concerning the recent death of long-time leading LaRouche collaborator Kenneth L. Kronberg. These slanders, along with King’s posting of stolen documents, are a distasteful exploitation of a personal tragedy in pursuit of Train’s political vendetta against LaRouche and a disrespectful disregard for the memory of Kronberg.

Now I turn your attention to the comment left by Dianne Bettag:

What does it make YOU if you publish stuff you have no personal knowledge of? How much research did you do before you published Nick Benton’s article and then responded to it as gospel…?

Bettag is referring to this article by Nick Benton, who I suppose is probably bought off by a “synarchist” of some sort with a Jewish name and a biography that takes him back to the Concentration Camps. (Bottom of two Larouche-related posts ago, concerning the charge leveled against Howard Dean, “synarchist” appearing in no fewer three titles in the deluge of Larouche articles being pumped out this week, and undoubtedly in many other articles.)

Which is based mostly on these and these and these and these internal documents from Larouche-land.

Which, according to that paragraph from Larouche-land are King’s posting of stolen documents.

Ergo, I don’t much care who Nick Benton is. A google search makes it appear that he writes editorials from a liberal opinion. I assumed at the time, and still do, that his source was Dennis King, he of High Times article fame, whose source I can only assume is some mole in the organization — actually, probably a baby-boomer. Unless I am to believe that King intercepts Larouche’s garbage at some junction, and can reassemble shredded documents. Or maybe he has hacking capabilities. Who knows? At any rate, our friends in Leesburg do not deny their authenticity, thus I am not terribly annoyed that I took Nick Benton’s article “as gospel”.
I left a message of some interest on the FACTNet board, which received this response:

I have read your blog and find it sharp and funny, and pretty insightful. But again, choosing LaRouche as your subject elevates him into an interesting & important subject, like a rare lilly species being examined by a confab of horticulturists. Isn’t the attention LHL receives out of proportion to his significance? The emergence of Dennis King in the role of coordinator of LHL activities and intelligence might not have the effect of saving young people or freeing people still with LHL, either. Because it could prove to members that one of their old enemies is back and is proof of the vast conspiracy out to destroy them.

I suppose it is a rare poisonous lilly species I am examining. He’s a little dis-ingenous with what makes the ex-Larouchites of the board think he is a plant, they should quit obsessing on the man. Apparently he cares as much as the next guy there, otherwise he would not be reading this blog or commenting on that board.
Yes. The attention I am giving LHL is out of proportion to his significance. But when I finish with him, I will likely gravitate toward something else of relatively little importance. (M i k e G r a v e l?) Beyond which, although I have little interest in “building a blog community” per se, it does fit Tip #3. I stumbled into this topic, and have not yet extricated myself.
Dennis King is the person who most cares about this subject, thus he is the one who cares enough to organize. Anybody who would fill in for his stead would be similarly demonized by Larouche. A different poster at FACTnet brings us this comment:

By the way, could anyone imagine what the world would be like if Lyn actually did succeed)? It might make an interesting visionary play or book to picture a LaRouchian world in which only Beethoven and Bach are played, no popular music, no jazz, no rock or rap or folk. Where no modern art is created but we are stuck only rehashing the classics from the past without any hope of creating new forms of art, music, drama, etc. The personality cult for Lyn would probably dwarf that for Stalin or Mao!!!

He would. It would. Fascism is like that, I suppose.
Muse also, as I figure out a way of butting in to respond. Give it a shot, anyone!:

I’ve read all the posts thus far; I too spent a few years in the organization and have very mixed feelings about it. First, for anyone to say that Lyn is a non-entity or has negligible political/philosophical effect amounts to pure innocence of fact, or to plain denial. Ideas can resonate. The LYM have been briefing and prodding Kucinich for years now. They obviously moved him to take action/bleat his rant. One might politely ask: how many world parliamentary bodies have YOU addressed; how many world figures have endorsed YOUR candidacies? Lyn’s effect is there, small perhaps but persistent. I got in after becoming inspired to assay a World Historical identity, yeah I know, but really, Lyn amd the org were cranking out a lot of intriguing theory in the 90’s especially, that’s what really brought me in: e.g. reviving Schiller’s Universal History angle and his “species consciousness;” Lyn’s insistence on physical economy/science-driver economy/infrastructure development; the push to comprehend a monster genius like Gauss, and how he determined asteroid orbits; man as capax dei and imago viva dei; the papers on God and metaphor, Substance of Morality, Jesus Christ and Civilization, America’s Manifest Destiny, and such. Sort of an ecumenical theism it seemed, at least on the surface, but with also a lot of depth. It looked like Lyn had modulated up from the early silly stuff, towards a JQ Adams type of American System theorist and figure. Anyway I found the theory intriguing in a provisional way at least and joined up, I had theoretic issues but I put them on hold—at least somebody was trying to do something to address the historical question generally.
I wised up to my future as a pack mule for the LYM, saw other unpleasant aspects, and phased out. But I’ve often thought that for all his faults Lyn is sort of a Least Imperfect Vehicle: clearly there are sillinesses and tawdrinesses, but at least he TRIED, to enunciate and work towards SOME sort of programmatic theory of a future directionality for the human race, with the New Bretton Woods initiative, which has some definite international resonance; his vision of 5,000 next-generation fission plants for the world, fusion-torch technology, &c. There does seem to be a growing discussion, even amongst some mainstream commentators, of a looming financial meltdown; and the US is in any case headed towards fiscal train wreck as the Boomers age, though Lyn doesn’t use this formulation to describe “the crisis”—which admittedly is perpetual in Lyn’s rhetoric, but then again, how ARE we going to move forward out of the mess the world is in? Where are we going; how are we to develop the sort of power needed to e.g, protect the planet from asteroids. The cynically disillusioned herein may say nay thanks, but are you offering up anything, at all, beyond tactical kindnesses? Maybe tactical kindnesses are the most we can do; maybe there is no solution; but people have a right to spend their life’s coin as they wish. History isn’t stagnant and I give Lyn the right to proffer up ideas and programs, and I give people the right to associate as they wish, to have a say and try to change history by action, even if I find silly or disagree vehemently with much of it. Indeed I find it troubling politically: the anti-Israel animus, on display of late especially in the venomous screeds of Dean Andromidas, and in the insinuations Lyn has publicized to the Muslim world that Israel was behind 9-11; the utter ignorance of the fact that the Koran itself is the source of much Islamic radicalism; the bizarre charge that Galileo and Newton were reactionary puppets of the Venetians; the fatuous Bush=Hitler/ “Chief Justice Roberts is a Nazi!” rants, &c.
I.e., Lyn is quite a mixed bag. It’s terribly sad what happened to Ken. Fidelio was a beautiful magazine in every sense; it seemed proof to me that there was something bigger going on with Lyn than mail fraud. Maybe if Lyn had been less of an egomaniac; maybe had the NC’s flown coach instead of first-class; maybe had Lyn and Helga lived more frugally; maybe then the members, and the German leadership, could have had some more comforts and securities; but if you choose to orbit a sun, you may get burned. I couldn’t take the heat, but those who have given their lives for the glorious cause of a New Renaissance, for a new monetary system, for a vision of a future—and for its enunciator—well, they have given their lives for it… And I will say this also: ‘though I certainly didn’t initiate it I helped to get the LYM thing started. Before I got out I was personally involved in organizing some of the cadre schools. The idea that LaRouche’s people beat poor Jeremiah to death appears to me so utterly ludicrous as to lend credence to a “Get LaRouche” hypothesis. The cadre schools focus on Lyn’s obscure musical aesthetics, on analyzing the catenary curve and various arithmetic/geometric means, and on “becoming world historical.” A blame-Israel-first component seems fundamental to Lyn’s system, but the idea of beating up potential recruits, would be a laughable allegation if it weren’t so weighty in implication. Unless there are/were some really, really bad goons on the Euro staff, which would be a huge surprise to me, I say the explanation lies elsewhere. Why does Dennis King call Helga Lyn’s “dog-wife”? Anyone can say Lyn is the merest shyster, charlatan, and con-artist, but isn’t the reality more complex? He may indeed be or have been a con artist, but I think he’s also on to some important dimensions of history in some provisional, adumbrative way. Thus my ambivalence.
Ugh.

Okay.  I am breaking what was supposed to be a week-long moratorium, and I get the feeling I am in too deep to leave those things aside.  Not to put too fine a point on this  — I think published in a Larouchite pamphlet of some sort, — but I need to point something out

Lyndon LaRouche has repeatedly noted that he’s never had a single political enemy who has tried to destroy him, who wasn’t thoroughly evil.

The latest round of slanders against LaRouche, launched by fascist Wall Street banker John Train, through gutter outlets such as Dennis King’s website and other internet blogs, serves to underscore that very point. The memo published in yesterday’s briefing, “Lynne Cheney, John Train and Dennis King: Obsession with LaRouche Reaches New Low”-which is now posted prominently on the LPAC website–explains that the current slander wave “mimics the campaign run by King [on Jeremiah Duggan and blah blah blah.]

I want you to pause on “and other internet blogs”.

In terms of blogs, and he specifically said ‘blogs’ — that would be … um… so far as I can tell — and I am sure if there were others it would appear on this Kenneth Kronberg memorial page, this blog and … the one you are staring at right now.
The secret is out.  This blog is a gutter outlet under the supervision of fascist Wall Street banker John Train.

I think I am exhausting anything I have to say about this topic for the moment. So, I will safely move on to other topics and less estoeric concerns and leave this aside, barring any major development, for at least a week.

Thus, we have experienced the “white collar” social castes which, by and large, distinguish that Baby-Boomer generation from its “blue collar” contemporaries, a caste whose influence is reflected in the actual long-term effects of the influence of the “white-collar 68ers,” over the 1968-2007 interval. These effects have tended to prompt the culprits, the Baby Boomers themselves, to resort to sweeping and destructive, draconian measures of social control, such as today’s lunatic, so-called “environmentalist” measures of globalization, and, thus, into methods of political tyranny employed, ironically, tragically, as “corrective” measures of control of individual behavior, as by “environmentalist” measures which generate long-ranging ruinous effects as bad in their own way, as those of the pro-eugenics Hitler regime earlier. Often, even usually, this draconian reaction to long-term consequences of patterns in cumulative local, short-term behavior, is a reaction of a type which has little or nothing to do with the causes of the problem, but is simply the tyrannical enforcement of some antic delusion, as, presently, by many among our Baby-Boomer stratum itself.Jesus Christ on a freaking pogo stick! The “Larouche” search on my bloglines is pumping through quite a few items, which means the monkey-job in charge of posting these things up — presumably in Leesburg, Virginia — is working right now. For the sake of bemusement, I click in and see blathering about Baby-boomers!

To sum up the situation, guaging the general gist of the material and headlines from the latest edition of EIR (once upon a time a $300 publication — supposedly — now just a mouseclick away): We are on the verge of economic collapse. It’s the baby-boomers’ fault. And Al Gore’s. Not mutually exclusive, since Al Gore is a baby-boomer.

The post-war “Baby Boomer” syndrome passed through two distinct initial phases. The first phase, 1945-1956, is best described as “the triumphalist phase,” the phase of the euphoric delusion that “our type is on the road to endless triumphs” over other “classes” in our own nation, and over the world at large. This phase, of the “Organization Man,” coincides with the emergence of what President Eisenhower was to describe, at the close of his second term, as the initial phase of the “military-industrial complex.” In the meantime, over the 1957-1961 interval, a deep recession had demoralized the typical parental households of the “Baby Boomers.” There was a recurrence of that cyclical-like, manic-depressive cultural pattern during the span of the Clinton Administration, when Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan’s wildly lunatic financing of the combined housing and Y2K “bubbles,” prompted a wild-eyed, “we are wonderful” euphoria among the Baby Boomers, who had now taken over power in government from the hands of their parents’ generation. This was followed by the wave of cultural pessimism, echoing somewhat the 1957-1961 interval of pessimism among the generation of the typical parents of the Baby Boomers themselves. It was the politics of the disastrous 2004 Gore-Lieberman election-campaign, not the mystical power of the menopause, which prompted, and thus made possible the 2000-2007 pattern to date. For me, working in circumstances and professional functions which afforded me special advantages at that time, I can attest that the reactions to the delusions of 1993-1999, and the shift from 2000 on, parallel almost exactly that of the parents of the Baby Boomers with similar experience during and following the 1957-1961 interval. One wonders: it possible for Baby Boomers to actually think for themselves? Is it possible for Baby Boomers to actually think for themselves? I don’t know. Maybe he can issue that challenge for the baby-boomers under his control. Can the younger-than-baby boomer set — the Larouche Youth Movementers — think for themselves? For example: how is it a stunning EPIC crisis du jour that demands their guru be put in charge to create a new “economic architecture” when he has described a pattern of boom and bust — pass through tough times and come back to better times, as he said?

I notice a number of mistakes in this stupdifying article, of which I posted a paragraph and a footnote. What is the Gore/Lieberman 2004 campaign? And can we start getting the Larouchites to ape the phrase “mystical menopause”?

So, are you going to attend this? If no, why not? It’s as though he grabbed the propaganda from the corporate-funded think tanks (and there is money to be made by doing so) and catupulted right past it, just to make sure!

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Some time ago, the card-tablers came and tossed their usual pamphlets around. And thus we have the guidance for “Organizing the Recovery for the Great Crash of 2007”.

I think the most expedient way of disposing of this is to simply guide through the photographs — stock footage it all. So we have George Schultz, Henry Kissinger, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Adolf Hitler. And we have What do these four have in common? They are all agents of the Anglo-Dutch forces who have been committed to destroy the US Republic since its inception. I think is background noise. It is filler. Don’t pay any attention to it. He just grabbed something out of his pamphlets from the 1980s to fill space. More pertinent to Larouche’s mind-set of the moment is the dichotemy between the following two items:

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean turned to the upper 3 percent of family income brackets for financial support and notably the cronies of bankers and synarchist Felix Rohatyn(**). The lower 80 percent are basically ignored.

Former secretary of Treasury Robert Rubin, an intelligent and couregous man, but he’s not offering solutions to the economic crisis in which he sees dearly.

In a weird way, Howard Dean, because he garnered grass-roots support and is a hero to the Democratic base, is an enemy for Larouche to play off of. It is to pretend that he is the real grass-roots Democrat, and Dean is a pretender, a stooge to the upper 3 percent and … um… synarchists. (A term nobody but Larouche and his minions use.) I first noticed this when Larouche claimed a special election victory — an upset for the Democrats– last December, a defeat for Howard Dean’s “50 State Strategy”. How is that? I couldn’t make heads or tails of the thing, for our little cult leader was basically just bluffing.

On the other hand, Clinton and the Clintonites are a-okay! The photograph for Bill Clinton in this pamphlet has it that he was “going to enact economic policies toward Russia similar to those proposed by Larouche” but that the Impeachment stalled this, and thus came the Economic collapse Russia suffered in 1998. Hence, in a different pamphlet (I was hoping it would be this one, but apparently I was wrong — it’s one I mused through and threw away a long time ago), a pravda-like moment that I believe is emblematic of a number of things…

So, I guess it’s one of those “historic web-casts”. A 20-something year old “leader” of the “Larouche Youth Movement” asks, to paraphrase “What are your thoughts on Bill Clinton? Even though he’s a baby-boomer, he seemed to be good.” Larouche answered, as capsuled in the photograph caption “Bill Clinton, flawed baby-boomer, showed tremendous growth through his presidency.”

Further down we have a photograph of… the 20-something year old “leader” of the “Larouche Youth Movement”, and the caption, along the lines of “Outstanding leader of the Larouche Youth Movement: her leadership and poise show she’s going places and will guide the next generation out of the debris left by the Baby-boomers.” Or… something to that effect.

She… didn’t really ask anything… or show any leadership here. It is followership she showed in asking the question the Cult Leader wanted to be asked. Grooming for a place in middle-management of Larouche Inc, I suppose.

I suppose she might have known exactly what to ask from Larouche radio, as described here:

the place is kinda empty, a bunch of chairs, white board, laptop/speakers, coat rack. and a dinner for everyone. some ppl make weird remarks when i decide not to eat due to the use of chicken in every dish conflicting with my vegetarian status. they are all listening to a live broadcast (some kind of radio, maybe CB, but defiinitly not AM/FM) of a LaRouche reporter. mentions some current events specific bills in the senate/house, growing anti al gore polls.

… maybe one of those “stations betwen stations” that the Digital High Fi Radio ads are always going on about?

My mind reeled at that display, and it definitely was communicating something. Dennis King, who I must point out once wrote an article that was published in High Times magazine, and by a title and with a focal point completely different from what Larouche has told his minions — may well explain that unsettling display within this call to action. (Actually, Dennis King confuses me a bit. He is Ahab to Larouche as Moby Dick. Which, I guess, is fine — if King didn’t exist, somebody would have to fill that void.):

To help people who will be leaving the cult after decades of dependency and isolation from the real world, there needs to be a hotline and a support organization. This is a priority because the 84-year-old LaRouche apparently has decided to demote or expel scores of his burned-out old timers (those whom he calls the “boomers”) so he can establish fresh and energetic LaRouche Youth Movement (LYM) cadre in positions of authority. He seems to believe that the LYM’ers recruited in recent years, and ranging in age from their late teens to their mid-thirties, will carry on his legacy in an aggressive manner after he dies. He shrewdly (if nastily) recognizes that many of the boomers are tired of being 24-hours-a-day activists and are just going through the motions while longing for more personal space in their lives—and that once he’s gone they will either wander off or strive to turn the organization in a less fanatical (i.e., less “LaRouchian”) direction.The purge is well under way in Europe, where dozens of boomers have already been forced out. In the United States, Ken Kronberg was one of the first, but there will be more middle-aged LaRouche followers ruthlessly rejected after decades of slavish loyalty. Even if most of these people do not seriously contemplate suicide, they will be disoriented and in desperate straights. They will need professional counseling, they will need the support of former members who understand their experiences and have the compassion to talk them through the crisis via late night phone conversations, they will need assistance in surviving economically and finding jobs (or training for jobs) in the real world.

The uproar over Kronberg’s death may cause LaRouche to slow down his purge of the U.S. organization, at least for a few months, but a hotline is also urgently needed to help newly recruited young people, many of whom are not yet fully indoctrinated and might get up the nerve to escape if they were to receive a little encouragement as well as transportation and an escort back to their parents’ home.

It’s as good an explanation of “WTF” as anything. But in terms of post-Larouche Larouchism, I am having a difficult time imagining anything working. I suppose he can grant the powers of observation to somebody. North Korea went from Kim Il Sung to Kim Jong Il, and the cult of personality there continued. We don’t have a similar dynamic at work here, and if you strip it all down it is more personaity based a cult than any ideology, so… to what personality do you run it on to? Still, if I were in Larouche’s shoes, that’s the only possible way forward.

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Additional.  I am kind of embarrassed that I didn’t post this when I posted this late last night, but the wee hours of the morning were getting to me.  I would be remiss if I don’t cover this from the all pervasive angle, as opposed to the transitory issues of personality politics I dealt with of manipulating the supposed Clinton versus Dean controversy.  Synarchist is a synonym for international cabalist.  Felix Rohatyn is… well… a prominent Jewish banker (and Holocaust survivor).  So what Larouche is referring to is the International Jewish Banker’s Conspiracy.

I may as well post an email or two from out of my bloggings to this category.  This came to me in January of 2005, sometime before I became apt to jib and jab through 40 years of Larouche’s stupid career… and before media outlets started feeling me out for help on this topic.  (And by media outlets I mean two of them.)
I just found your blog via justiceforjeremiah and was reading Scott's statement about LaRouche.

Any tips?

I honestly didn’t know how to move through this, and as I pointed out my blog actually covered about 80 percent of all my experiences with Larouchites — which amounted to, in real world excursions, very little.  I know more than I did then and it occupies a greater part of my conciousness than it did then– I actually, for the first time ever, had a dream that involved Larouche the other night — it was the type of dream that I occasionally have which I wonder if others have so complete and fluid in its narrative structure that I wish there was a device that I could just download it onto the written page and ship it off to a publisher– which is a signal that I am no longer as completely ajar from this topic as I once was.  I now have a better background of references to historical precedents of just what it means for a Larouchite to be seeking out martial arts training because of irreconciable political differences with those he meets.  At the time it seemed in keeping with a strident brainwashed militancy.  Today, I can reference training in Leesburg or early NCLC and bloodies knuckles and machettes at Communist meetings, in prepation for Epic Street Battles.

Oh jeezuz.  I should prepare something like “Part 2” for “How to dissolve a Cult.”

The book Dialectical Economics by esteemed Marxist econo-myte Lyn Marcus, published in 1975 by some imprint of the Lyn Marcus Capitalist Concern Inc., opens with the following dedication note:

“To my enemies, who made this book necessary.”

Not an entirely cheerful dedication, but I suppose it befits a dense polemical journey into a realm of fantasy. So, putting myself in the midst of Lyn Marcus’s whereabouts, circa 1975, I have to wonder…

Who are his enemies at that point in time?

Um… At this point in time he was making overtures to the far-right and anti-semitic “Liberty League”, who’s publication would include an advertisement for Larouche material saying he was the only respectable Marxist. We are a couple years past “Operation Mop Up”, an string of events that I cannot overstate in significance to those concerned. But, on the other hand, this book appears to be a collegation of his teachings from the late 1960s to …. circa 1975.

Having recently read The Prophet’s Children, and posted the chapter on Landon Laroach, I wonder. Do angry residuals from his battle to gain control of SDS (at Columbia at least) make any appearance? I can look to the index for “Action Faction” and “Praxis Axis” and find, amid the unreadable gunk… well…

Praxis signifies nothing less than an entirety (universality) of human practice. Kant properly insists that practical reason cannot be located in the notion of the pleasure or desire associated with the actualization of a particular object or class of objects. He thus adduces that a priori content for practical reason as “pure practical reason,” since he locates substantiality in the “thing in itself” and the understanding. Where he dialectically demonstrates the existence of necessary principles governing particular objects he necessarily attributes to those principles the efficient nature of pure reason (Logos) in the same broad sense as does Hegel (ergo realism = idealism). The difference between Kant and Hegel on this point is that Hegel demands the immediate equivalence of the extended logo […]

Okay. I stop this paragraph, because I have a confession to make. I posted this for the sake of torturing you. Still, today’s membership of the Lyn Marcus Youth Movement can compare and contrast their current cadre school study guides with that of their fore-fathers — who, I will go ahead an term the Expendable Baby-boomers. The Expendable Baby-boomers can reminisce on … different times… when the Fifth International was in full steam and they were on the Vanguard of staving off financial crisis after financial crisis, right and left! Otherwise, I invite you to pretend you didn’t read that.

Kant articulates explicitly and repeatedly what amounts to the painstaking opposition of his notion of Praxis to the pragmatical empiricist sophistries of SIdney Hook’s bawdlerization of Korsch, or the even more trivialized dictionary nominalism of the “praxisite” or new working class cults of the late U.S. New Left. […] To use the term “praxis” as a fancy synonym for “practice” in the cracker barrel sense is an ignorant schoolboy’s prank.

And, indeed, the footnote points to further anger and derision at the faction of the SDS in which gained control, and Larouche was unable to pull into his realm of control. I suspect other “enemies” pop up in equally acidic manners in this unreadable book. Regrettably, there is no space for Nelson Rockefeller or Henry Kissinger.

Shouldn’t I be pondering David Broder’s studied Importance or something?