I have been informed that the man reported in this Washington Post news story about a Suicide off an overpass in beautiful (?I have no way of knowing?) from Leesburg, Virginia was a high level Larouchite.

Naturally I cannot leave that without some sort of comment, but for the life of me I don’t know what that comment is. We run into members of this outer group and react by laughing or perhaps going a bit further. A look at Dennis King’s website (finally got around to that) (customary Disclaimer for any wandering Larouchites who do seem to be reading this: Dennis King once wrote an article that appeared in High Times, which has a different title than the one that Larouche propaganda claims), which contains somehow or other have internal documents from this creepy organization, reveals a Byzantine Operation … high pressure and demeaning control jobs.

So I am left with a few simple thoughts. #1: After a lifetime devoted to this creep, you come to the realization that you wasted your life, robotically programmed into a netherworld of lies and Stalinist rationalizations for — say — the death of Jermiah Duggan, and what do you do then? #2: The paranoid Lyndo — nay, I’ll stick with Lyn Marcus– carries out loyalty tests, and if you fail… Proceed to something similar to the strange case of Alice Weitzman and know that little has changed. It’s not that that happened, so much as Lyn Marcus handed him his walking papers and told him that he was too attached to his mother. (Wait. That’s an inappropriate joke, grasped only by those who knew from elsewhere the reference or have been paying attention. Sorry.)
Hence the following comment: See if the larouche cultists who show up here can give more details of what happened in larouche’s residence the night before and the morning of the suicide.

Sounds like either a call to decency or a throwing of the guantlet.

I was contemplating my theory of Lyn Marcus’s shift to Al Gore and Global Warming, and perhaps a long series of posts corregated at bloglines of mocking nature — my theory being that this is in part a tightening of control, jiggling off some merely semi-committed liberal – minded followers who were attracted to the anti Bush message and thus arriving back at a good core of manageables to march off to the next Crusade from his batch of tricks. But I’m analyzing something that affects my life not a wit here, and won’t think it through. He’s taking credit for some idiot German politician’s call to Ban the nation’s Green Party. (Note to the side the “Projects” list which includes “Destroy Al Gore”. Hardee Har Har.) Which is funny enough, because all reports are that his Germany organization has imploded. (Whereas he appears to have thrived in America for the moment, recovering from a horrid 1990s).

Okay. Now I can return to real politics… something I read in the American Prospect that is worth mentioning… in a post coming up.

I may as well acknowledge this comment left from a Bebe:

I’m happy I found this blog. My friend is currently investing more time than I’d like with the Larouche kids that haunt our campus. I originally thought she might be interested in a boy in the group, but she is becoming a lot more politically active and actually spending time reading the pamphlets.

I want to rescue her from the group (maybe i’m not in the position to rescue her, but I don’t want her getting brainwashed or anything), so reading this blog I hope will help me argue and articulate with her how much of a crazy psycho this guy is and why she shouldn’t get involved.

A while ago I stumbled upon the realization that, like it or not, I had established myself into a source of either information or simply frustration — starting by reposting comments left by a “Scott” and continuing by reposting comments left by other frustrated ex-Larouchites. And thus last December through January wrote what seemed like an insane number of posts on the topic of Lyndon Larouche, to make myself at least relevant in that regard.

It is a little strange. There have been a twinkling of posts (as correlated on bloglines) from spectators laughing at the sight of Larocuhite’s latest cause: anti-Al Gore blustering on the hoax of Global Warming. The queasy feeling I have is that I saw this coming before it started happening: I saw the very first twinkling of messages coming out of Larouche that, apparently he was shifting from an anti-Cheney message to storm out at the people to an anti-Gore one. Am I doomed to know every stupid change of message and movement from this stupid cult I have never had any association with?

At any rate, I have from time to time skimmed the FACTnet board, link right there on the right sidebar — and have pasted away a few things into a folder in my email files. Here’s something regarding his relationship with the media:

In 1976 we succeeded in getting Lyn on a Meet the Press show for independent candidates where he proceeded to make every other candidate look rationale. In the 1980 New Hampshire campaign the staff started to trick Lyn into not doing interviews by telling him that there were security threats. They did that because when you sent Lyn to a Kiwanis club the first thing he did was demand to be treated like the Queen of England and have the place swept for bombs and insists that the security detail could be fully armed when meeting little old ladies for tea.

Lyn hated this stuff as he really thought that he was above all of this and through a top leaders like Gus and Ken Dalto, had the election bought from Mafioso figures from Detroit. As we made more money it became quite apparent that Lyn and Helga were now Philosopher King and Queen while everybody else was beneath them. Lyn really had a hard on for now liver diseased and buried Graham Lowry as Lowry knew how to do the New England Patrician act very convincingly.

The people lyn best got along with were the hoardes of security contacts and Liberty Lobby kooks who would share Jew Jokes with us. This was very interesting as your future master Jeff Stenberg and Paul Goldstein, the heads of security, had to guffow with these people during the festivities.

It wasn’t until I left years later that I began to read about how much money these security spooks scammed from Lyn and Steinberg. We shuffled millions to these guys as they knew how to inflate Lyn’s ego to gargantuan size and convince him that everyone wanted to assasiante him. Of course for a price, Lyn could be saved. In one infamous scam, Lyn had us pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to a guy who siad that he could get Lyn on a NSA “Do Not Asssasinate List”.

AS the money came in, Lyn and Helga’s taste became richer. At one point, Lyn occupied a few rooms of an exclusive Park Ave, Hotel, devouring casees of Rheingau, while members who lived a few miles away in the NYC area were being evicted.

In the 1980 campiagn we kept Lyn from interviews in public because the press was having a field day showing what a kook he was. They would start off the conference with a couple of softballs and then start him up with Queen of England assassination questions . Lyn would go off the deep end screaming “Where do you get these lies you drug dealers”. The press would just hold up our publications and show the circled quotes from fearless leaders own writings.

To stop this travesty we convinced Lyn that “MISTER ED” told us that it is dangerous doing these press interviews and he needs to stop.

The Morton Downey show was one of the best where Lyn had a melt down as he was pelted with his own quotes on Jews and other groups. The members were told that Lyn is being boycotted by the oligarchy because of how dangerous he is. the truth is that there is only so much time for fools on TV and we had to keep him from going off the deep end time and time again.

We sent him to India where after years, we had a meeting with Indira Ghandhi. Lyn went nuts during the meeting with whatever crazy paranoid assassination plot was after him and a scared Indira yelled at her staff for having her waste her life meeting a Madman.

No matter where you go in the history of the org, Lyn shows up, goes crazy and you never see the person again. One by one, each sector person dropped out as it became apparent in these meetings and in private meetings with Lyn that he was truly nuts.

Well, this is one side of the story…

AMID this particularly bizarre period of federal politics, the matter of a Liberal preselection for a marginal Victorian seat held by Labor might appear trivial. It is not. The Liberal Party’s endorsement of former federal MP Ken Aldred for the seat of Holt represents a potentially astonishing resurrection for a man of objectionable political and personal viewpoints.

The threat of Mr Aldred’s return to federal politics seems unlikely: the Prime Minister and Peter Costello have moved quickly and wisely to ensure the preselection choice will be rejected by the Victorian administrative committee, which has the right of veto. How Mr Aldred came to be selected, let alone why he is still a member of the Liberal Party, is perhaps a conspiracy theory unto itself — but the party also preselected Gary Anderton, whose internet blog contained prejudicial and racist comments, as candidate for Lyndhurst in the recent state election. He didn’t make it; Ken Aldred shouldn’t remake it. Politicians are there to serve the public, not use Parliament for their own curious purposes.

That’s a mildly interesting story.  Isn’t it?

“The administrative committee considers that Mr Aldred is not a suitable person to receive the endorsement of the Liberal Party.”

Okay.  Maybe not so interesting, but it blipped on my radar nonetheless.

This brief foray into Australian political matters has been brought to you by our favourite political cult leader and conspiracy theorist… that, of course, being Lyn Marcus.

You know, I think I’ve posted one item about Famed Political Cult Leader Lyn Marcus this month, after a month-long moratorium on the topic.  For some reason or other, I am itching to post something more about him — so, here goes.

So, is Lyndon Larouche stalling or is he throwing his dice to what he perceives as the next big thing?  I am referring to the notable tick I noticed, and posted a week ago, toward plastering on Al Gore.

Understand something.  Lyndon Larouche has posited himself as somewhere on the Bill Clinton bandwagon.  I suppose he never could fully attack Clinton, because his previous storyline had it that he was serving prison time as a political prisoner to the George Herbert Walker Bush Administration, after undoing his 1980 presidential bid by bringing up Skull and Bones and the Council of Foreign Relations in the 1980 Democratic Primary in New Hampshire.  Hence, the Clinton Administration let him go at the earliest opportunity, and hence he spent the 1990s attacking Greenspan and Gingrich.  His literature posits Clinton favorably (I understand this because I have seen favorable captions in silly photographs of his pamphlets — that is roughly what I read before throwing the things back into the trash pile.)  I understand his taking Carville’s side of a Dean — Carville dispute over DNC funding as taking Clinton’s side against Dean — who may be perceived as part of the Gore Cabal, perhaps.  Larouche appears to have had a vein of anti-Gore material in the past ready for the day Al Gore might be elected president in 2000 — never used.  George W Bush came into office.  Upon the confirmation hearings of John Ashcroft, he made weird references to the Reichstag Fire.  Had he been patient and waited a few months, he could have joined his fellow conspiracy theorists and done so in proper order.  But imagine Al Gore had come to office.  I suppose he would have had to make weird references to the Reichstag Fire for someone Gore was appointing.
I suppose Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, but I have to wonder.  Hillary Clinton becomes president.  She pursues some of Al Gore’s Global Warming initiatives.  Wherefor aren’t thou, Lyn Marcus, and your merry band of currently anti-Cheney idiots?

But one can switch on a dime pretty easily.  He has Al Gore to kick around at this moment.  Did he have anything to say about that monstrosity in the summer of 2002 when he came out against the upcoming Iraq War, or was his position in a grand conspiracy muted for the moment?  There is a vein of consistency that travels alongside the vein of inconsistency: Lyn Marcus was right where he is on the environment during his semi-respectable days as a minor semi-Trotskyite leader when he was supposedly not operating a cult as of yet.

No.  I do not know the difference between man and beast.

Notably, to understand Albert Einstein’s referenced conclusions respecting the significance of the general accomplishments of the practice of modern science, from Kepler through Riemann: we must acknowledge the evidence that the principle of gravitation, as discovered by Kepler, is “invisible” to mere sense-perception: that, because it is, efficiently, as big as the universe, and thus, like every true universal physical principle, it supplies that universe with the quality of boundless finiteness as a whole, but is, also, therefore, in a manner of speaking, so large, that its efficient local expression is, apparently, ontologically infinitesimal.[11] This implication of Kepler’s discoveries is then made more efficiently comprehensible, by the explicitly anti-Euclidean, dynamic, physical hypergeometry of Bernhard Riemann, as this is to be contrasted with the silly, neo-Euclidean, mechanistic-statistical, mythical universe admired by the modern, empiricist dupes, who have followed the method of Descartes, including those such as Immanuel Kant et al.[12]
Got that? No?

It’s some brilliance or other by Lyn Marcus, as relayed by the Lyn Marcus abjunct on the “FACTNet” message board of anti-cult postings over here.

I think it may be, in a very tangeantal way, part of their new anti-Gore curriculum. Oh yes. The Lyn Marcus Youth Movement appears to be taking down their “Impeach Cheney” soap boxing to make way for some anti-Gore sloagneeering. And we have come full circle.

The following are the highlights of the EIR‘s more than 15 years of investigative reporting on the philosophy, political connections, and activities of Albert Gore, Jr. All of the following items are (will soon be) available in full on www.larouchepub.com. They represent the starting point for any one carrying out a thorough review of the pedigree and performance of the man now being touted as a ‘Global Warming’ superstar.

The problem is I don’t really know how long Al Gore is going to be at the forefront of the news, so I don’t know how much mileage one can get on picking apart Al Gore. Nonetheless, had Al Gore been prompted to the president in 2000, the LYM would have had no shortage of material to draw from:

“Gore’s New Book sets agenda for environmentalist dictatorships”, a review of Earth in the Balance, by Margaret Sexton (Vol. 19, no. 14, April 3, 1992)

“Al Gore and Adolf Hitler”, by Lyndon LaRouche. (Vol. 26, no. 2, Jan. 8, 1999)

“Prince Philip’s ‘Cat’s-paw’ Al Gore, Jr. Would Usher in a New Dark Age,” by Scott Thompson (Vol. 26, no. 4, Jan. 22, 1999)

… and on and on. Oh, the paths that might have been had it not been for a fluke of history.  The same but… it’s not Cheney — it’s GORE!

There is a certain amount of grumbling on the part of Democratic bloggers about the fact that the Nevada Democratic Party contracted with Fox News to hold a primary debate.  The reason is simple, this is Fox News and they’re frames of references are not the same as the Democratic Primary voter.

The historical precedent comes in with a 2004 Fox News Democratic debate (somewhere in 2003), and a litany of offenses that came from them.  I remember that debate well.  Bill Bennett interrupted the ending.  The first shot to a commercial break had Sean Hannity teasing the provactive question “Did the Democratic candidates say things tonight that will hurt them in the General Election?”  And there were constant disruptions during the debate.

The constant disruptions of the debate?  A group of LaRouchites clamoring to know “Where’s LaRouche?”  It lead to a hilarious denuncation from Al Sharpton and some witty back and forth between Sharpton and Lieberman.  I don’t know if Fox News can be held responsible for such a thing.  This year it may be a more respectable and more sympathetic outlet of Code Pink doing the disruption.  Or it may be the LaRouchites again.  LaRouchites just kind of happen.

Then again, that might have been a conspiracy on the part of Fox News.  For the life of me, I don’t know if the shadowing of LaRouchites are a net positive, net negative, or a net neutral on the Democratic Party hopefuls in the publics’ eyes.

Editorial decision on my part: the next post about Lyndon LaRouche that I will have on this blog will be in March.

Steve: Do you know the difference between man and beast?

Are you sure you want me to answer that question?

Biologically, a small slice of DNA. In most religions, the presence of the soul. I grunt and say “opposable thumbs”, thinking that if some other animal developed those they would develop culture and self-conciousness — which the presence of culture is pretty much the antrhopological answer. Adolf Hitler’s answer to that question involves bloodlines.

The LaRouchian answer to that question ends up coming out pretty badly for the man.

Bestializing is thrown around quite casually in LaRouche’s literature in terms of what various plotters are doing to the masses of people. The Gay Movement, the CIA, and the Dick Cheney Administration are, therefore, Beast-Men.

In terms of culture, Beethoven is a Man, The Beatles are Beasts. The French Revolution was Beastial (and very Aristotlean, I might add), the American Revolution… ARE WE NOT MEN???

Cue Ruth Williams in Younger Than That Now, page 229.

The political philosophy feeding LaRouche’s party in 1974 was deemed “Beyond Marxism.” Mastery of it was a requisite of membership. Among other things, we were told the black community was a CIA target and blacks were being manipulated within their CIA-controlled ghetto culture. Jazz was defined as brainwashing. The final logic of this scenario was that black inner city youth — who had obviously succumbed to their CIA masters — could be addressed as “nigger”.

“What are you people, fascists?” Bill interjected when we were told this at a briefing. Others in our group quickly backed him up. There was nervous laughter. “Why don’t we just call ourselves the Ku Klux Klan?” I asked. More laughter.

The speaker merely smiled and switched to a discussion of
Beethoven.

Softly deterministic, I suppose. In a different context I can just say that we’re products of our environments, and marketing firms are busy selling us junk and have crafted our personality for us, and in the thematic category most people would look around and agree with that. Issac Asimov said that there are only seven plots going on all around us.

In practical reality, dealing with Absolutes fails us — unless you can calibrate absolutes to a degree I can’t.

I will continue to dwell on mocking the infatuation with doubling the square. It is at once a beatnik hipster poetry line — ironic because the beats surely fall into the realm of Beasts. I am reminded of an Onion parody in “Our Dumb Century” of the “Race for the Moon” between NASA and Hippies.

Incidentally, to Double a Square…

The answer to the question of why the cult leader LaRouche puts this at a premium is that it encourages, quote-in-quote, “non-linear thinking”.

Further: this smacks of the “It’s the beginning of eternity, the end of time and space, etc” and “connect the lines so they do not cross and there’s 5 of them” on a 3 dot by 3 dot grid whose answer is to “think outside the box” — both puzzles kept being tossed at my classes in middle school as some sort of ritualistic cleverness.

“Although the Labor Party has developed a new configuration of tactical alliances since January 1974, “it is nonsense to argue that the party’s outlook or method have changed over the period of its existence. Developed to greater richness, yes; changed in any essential feature, no.” unsigned article in the Oct. 1, 1979, edition of New Solidarity

Larouchite commented thusly here: People who oppose LaRouche rarely (never?) do so from an opposition tohis philosophy. They usually either ridicule his philosophicalstatements because they sound strange or unorthodox, or, like Chip Berlet, they seem to believe that LaRouche has no real philosophy, just positions of the moment designed to appeal to a proto-fascist constituency.

Actually I’ve found that LaRouche’s critics, not necessarily in popular culture where I will join in the general chorus of smirkers but in anyone who decides to take it up to look into — including Dennis King– have indeed pierced and analyzed LaRouche’s philosophy. It is never an analysis that Scott or any LaRouche likes or approves of, but it is legitimate. And it is the only way one can tie the seemingly disparate political incarnations of Larouche, who has touched down all over the political spectrum. I, in a real sense, would have to disagree with Chip Bertlet.
Recognize, for instance, that LaRouche has consistently from the very beginning been very puritanical and rejecting of any and all things approaching the “sex, drugs, and rock and roll” ethos, and this includes Jazz — which was, after all, a CIA funded plot to destroy the blacks.

As a Marxist, he could project this out as a battle against the bourgeoise forces who wish to divert the working class (and more clearly the educated class who are to guide the working class) from the Revolution. The anti-drug and sex message held a certain appeal to would be Marxist revolutionaries looking ascance at the excesses of their generation, and conveniently sitting themselves up as the Vanguard. As he slid into the alliances with the Right wing and on to the ascension of the Reagan Revolution and the “Moral Majority”, this was easily transferable to Satanic and Secular forces kicking apart our Judeo-Christian values, as per that EIR Education Special I’ve brought up already which essentially shadows the concerns of the Heritage Foundation (before kicking the Heritage Foundation off as part of the conspiracy). This anti-60s backlash continues on today, where “Baby-boomers” is a LaRouchian slur, the better to allow the “LYM”ers to rebel against their parents.

The matter of infrastuture building and industrial development, without any heeding to environmental consequences which he has from the very beginning mocked and at has his “Technology Organs” spewing forth in favor of Industry against any environmental regulation to a degree that would make the Competitive Enterprise Institute blush — oh so very entropic! oh so very entropic!– folllowed through the same surface-level ideological shift. We go from a particular explanation of Marxism which demands the unlimited growth of the human imagination to battling Carter’s “Austerity Measures” and organizing the “Whig Coalition” to the justification for Regan’s SDI program under the rubric of a Nationalistic Vision of American Greatness and on to the “FDR Democrat” model he is at today which apes the Tommy Franks “Populist Democrat” model.
Undergirding this is some lessons from Philosophy 101: Plato verus Aristotle. Order versus Chaos (which gets to why he rejects empericism). Choral Singing versus Rock and Roll.

Never trust a Revolution that makes no allowances for diversions.

Choral Singing. The Importance of Choral Singing, as said by someone completely unassociated with Lyndon LaRouche:

The fact that choral singing is a communal activity is especially significant today when we increasingly rely on Internet-based communications, rather than face-to-face interaction. Several recent studies have shown a significant decline in civic engagement in our communities. Robert Putnam, Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government scholar (best known for his book, Bowling Alone) asserts that the significance of choral singing goes beyond music making, and even beyond the arts. He sees group performing as contributing directly to the social trust and reciprocity that is the basis of civic engagement. His work shows that the mere existence of choral groups helps foster America’s democratic culture (see his website, www.BowlingAlone.com).

Chorus America’s study found that choral singers are far more likely to be involved in charity work, as volunteers and as donors (76 percent), than the average person (44 percent according to a 2001 report by Independent Sector). Choral singers are also more than twice as likely as non-participants to be aware of current events and involved in the political process. They are also twice as likely as the general public to be major consumers of other arts – and not just music.

The study explored the depth of feeling that participants had about their choral experience, with many reporting that the requirements of choral singing – discipline, attention to detail, teamwork, and the social value of the experience – combine to improve their daily lives, in both their work and in family relationships. Many choristers testified to the degree to which their choral singing made them more aware of other people’s life experiences, helping them to bridge social gaps. “That connection with people exposes me to ideas…that aren’t otherwise available,” one respondent said. Another chorister said of fellow singers, “These people, whom I love dearly, are politically or religiously very different from me.” Seventy-four percent said they “agreed strongly” that choral participation had helped them develop new friendships.

You do realize you don’t need to work for Lyndon LaRouche to join a chorus, don’t you?

I occasionally run into blog entries items such as this.  It is the second item like that that has popped up recently in my blog indexing of “Larouche”, the other being someone, pursuing his blog someone of a conspiratorial bent, who simply wrote “This guy fascinates me”, and a link to larouchepac.

I noted a comment to that one inviting him to a Larouchite cadre meeting.  I don’t know if he followed up on it.

Looking at this myspace blog post:

I been going to there since Tuesday(maybe cus of this chick)..

Always because of a chick, isn’t it?

I like what their doing but.. I’m not a political, economical & physics kind of person.. there’s nothing wrong with that, or about them

Is there any “political economical and physics” kind of person out there?  It probably doesn’t matter too much.  Does she like to sing?

the cult thing(see wiki) is just a slander/rumor..

I’m sure they addressed that issue.

the deploying was fun(Jan 19 @ rockridge)..
*went there with them and saying Impeach the Dick!! (Cheney) lol… haha or whatever corny jokes I can make XD.. yesh I did enjoyed it..

the singing kinda disturbs me.. but bashing Cheney/Bush is cool XD.. haha

We all like to bash Cheney / Bush.

Perhaps I should just move along — nothing to see here.  She has noticed the splatter of “cult”, and while not fully rejecting it whole-sale, rejected it in part.  Witness:

Quote:
“or him, an economic disaster is just around the corner, and time is so precious that he no longer can have the luxury of regularly being with friends or family for considerable lengths of time—it would be morally wrong for him to spend time on personal concerns.”

I think I need to stay away before get no personal life(time for myself, or friends).. or I can just be part time..
I dont mind school.. just not enough to hate it(school) to quit and go join that movement.. no sir eeeeeee!! lol.. but part time sure..

I gather from looking over this myspace page that she is a Lesbian.  In the list of tv shows I see “The L Word”.  It is not a slander or slur to state that LaRouche has a history of hating homosexuals.  In his 1980s incarnation of appealing to the conservatie end of electoral politics (the appeal to liberals came in with oppositon to the Gulf War, he saw fit to print the following in Executive Intelligence Review (and I read a physical copy, thank you very much):  B

The issue of the rights of homosexuals and the lack of rights of the heterosexual — for example, forced abortion and forced sterialization as “population control” measures — seems inextricably liked. The same individuals who would have our children indoctrinated with the notion that homosexuality is an alternative life-style, rather than a perversion, would use every other device in the book to limit population growth, including forced sterialization.

Everyone has free will.  They may place that free will under whoever’s tutelege they wish it to be under.  I don’t really care too much, but maybe somebody else does.