Health Care Nazism and 9/11 and Jabble-wockery: my weekly Larouche update

“The paranoid spokeman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and deaths of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human value.”  — Richard Hofstadter.

“I go further than you do, for I question whether the Dark Ages in Western Europe from the fifth to thirteenth centuries were really as dark as the usual historian paints them.  It might be worthwhile to compare not paintings and arhitecture or literature of the Europe of the seventh century with the Europe of the eleventh century but to compare rather the state of civilization of the mass of the inhabitants of these far seperated ages.  […]  Another thought for you — the only “civilizations” which have really ended have been isolated islands like Yucatan and the Incas.  They, I fear perished without transmitting much of their gain to any other part of the world.” — Franklin D Roosevelt, letter to Theodore Dreiser, 10-5-39
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“Internal document usually means something which Chip Berlet or Dennis King claim that they have obtained through clandestine means and which cannot be verified.” — Leatherstocking, on this wikipedia page.

Leatherstocking knows better than that, of course.  After all, “Revenire” stated so naw justin, i don’t mind if you read/scan LPAC/”the” briefing/etc… you’re a nice enough person and just doing your thing so keep at it. (2/25/09)
Then there’s:
As far as I’m concerned, “conflict of elites” and “psychosexual political organizing” are esoterica and won’t be missed. The “economics” section is different;
Har de freaking har.
Really, I think this wikipedia entry should be shortened to the two sentence “Larouche views himself as a world historical person, and has proceeded on the basis of ensuring that someone somewhere believe it along with him.  He has a long line of opposition to this claim, mostly expressed with the question “Who?”.”  (An observation made right here   If I must, the wikipedia article may be expanded beyond that — but the central problem is always, as expressed by these conflicting Will Beback statements:

“Confidence in the dialog”? How do you expect me to have any confidence in the dialog when at least 15 sock puppet accounts of a single user have made 432 edits to this talk page? After that much deception it’s hard to have confidence in a dialog. This page is a monument to mendacity.  AND:
in the interest of compromise“.

Which ensures that the larouche pages are the poster children for the limitations of wikipedia, as voiced recently by a “Cas70″ with:
I’ve always told my students not to trust everything they read on Wikipedia, and it seems I’ll have a cautionary tale from this experience to reinforce that warning. […]   To call LaRouche an econimist would be tantamount to calling a little child playing with a stethoscope a doctor just because he imagines he is one.

Though how can he describe this all as “Jabble-Wockey” when confronted with this opinion:
I was just totally mesmerized by it. I had never met anyone who spoke so eloquently as Mr. LaRouche.
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The big question for Ryan James here:

Now usually any citation of Mr. LaRouche instantly puts me off the subject matter, as I am sure it does with you, for the reason that Mr. LaRouche and his followers have a worldview that tends to go down well with a certain amount of Kool-Aid. However, I bring this information to light so that readers can decide for themselves.

So why bother?   The given answer to that question  is:

While the report does not name any sources, other than party officials, it would still be in the interest of Gov. Beebe and Sen. Lincoln to disavow this report and deny that the White House is pressuring the Governor’s Office to “crackdown” on Mrs. Lincoln, even in the face of the White House and Democratic National Committee’s decision to run television advertisements against the senator in order to pressure her to vote for Obamacare.

There’s, I suppose, a formula being worked here for LPAC.  Obama is engaging in nothing more than standard politicking –truth be told, nowhere near as strong-arming as your Lyndon Johnson engaged in — if he weren’t putting pressure on Senator Lincoln, he’d be guilty of a sort of Political Malpractice.  That is about the sum total of the “nugget of truth” in this article — perverted beyond reasonable recognition by the Cult.  So from this we jump to:

But LaRouche, a student of both history and psychology, understood that someone suffering from an acute Narcissistic Disorder, has to be confronted—repeatedly, and with ever-growing candor—if he is to ever break free of the syndrome and return to the world of reality.
The man knows from Narcissstic Disorders, don’t he?

Slightly more than 100 days have passed, since LaRouche delivered his clinical diagnosis, that President Barack Obama suffers from acute malignant self-love. In the intervening period, the evidence of the President’s disorder has become so transparent that one prominent Washington, D.C. Democrat confided that the joke circulating around Capitol Hill and at Democratic National Committee headquarters is: President Obama awoke one morning, looked in the mirror and saw that his nose was bleeding. Furious at what he saw, he ordered aides to immediately bring him a new mirror!

Attention LYM members and assorted Baby Boomers: Who and where are these people that reach back to this reference to illuminate, casually at that, contemporary events?

Senior Democrats, speaking on condition of anonymity, have told EIR that they are astounded at the behavior of the President and his Oval Office aides. “They see the world as a zero-sum game,” one official commented.
Again. It is highly unlikely that anyone speaks in that particular idiom on capital hill.  Try again next time.  Or don’t — it serves its internal purpose, as well its middling external “now, Larouche is a nut, but –” purpose.  The other game is the defense of Ethics-challenged House members. (Conyers is a new figure to pop into such a list, but googling “Conyers” and “ethics”, I see a conservative group has filed a complaint.  Hm.  To be an elected official is to have that done.)

Some of the people on Emanuel’s Congressional hit list, among them Representatives with the greatest seniority, and the strongest “FDR Democrat” credentials, have surfaced as recent targets of relentless FBI investigation and a barrage of media leaks. Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), Chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee; Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, perhaps the most powerful body in the House, responsible for all tax legislation; and Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who has championed a single-payer universal health insurance plan, that was instantly deep-sixed by the President […].

Well, here Larouche fineses his way to a “left-plank” position*.  The standard liberal position being “Single payer is preferable, but at the very least a public option,” and the former is cut off the table from the outset due to the power of the Insurance industry.  The Larouche position apparently is, as suggested here (but probably if spelled out elsewhere not so much), “Single Payer, yes, and Obama’s public option is the Nazi program of genocide.”  The double-speak is that Larouche is dropping health insurance for his organization.

This morning Morrison & Foerster, a California law firm whose employees contributed heavily to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, is seeking to stop organizers associated with LaRouche Political Action Committee from campaigning against the President’s health care policy at Los Angeles area shopping centers. In legal papers filed in the Superior Court in Los Angeles, the firm specifically complains about posters and literature that document that Obama’s health care policies are identical to those personally adopted by Adoph Hitler in 1939.
A spokesman for LaRouche PAC stated. “This is exactly the way the Nazi’s behaved against those who resisted Hitler’s policy of eliminating lives deemed ‘not worthy to be lived. ‘ This is the United States of America 2009, not Nazi Germany 1939. Obama’s loyalists won’t stop LaRouche from exposing their Hitler-like plans.”

Exactly like the Nazis, this… this… attempt to stop the org from setting up card tables in front of various businesses.

I await to see how this q and a session is written up in LPAC, to see the fun-house mirrors in action:
Then we got another question from the LaRouche crew, tying the Holocaust to with government-run health care. The panelists were abruptly dismissive of the question, and good for them. (The weird thing, is the LaRouche person felt like she was helping them – like they were all on the same side.)

Well, I suppose this is a more mainstream cause than the continued grasps at the 9/11 Truth movement.  The comments suggest some general problematics:

Again, a Mossad backed mis-information campaign to move the attention away from the Israel-Mossad-9/11 link. Half-truths implicating the wrong people to steer the general public away from the real perpetrators. 
AND
I could only view two of the YouTube links before I got bored.
These people are seemingly more interested in How Larouche Got It Right than in formulating any coherent approach to the subject matter.  […]
The whole thing (or the two links that I saw before giving up) was pretty weird, and oddly amateurish. Mind you, who listens to Larouche folks anyway?
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Howie G confuses me while stepping into the old “Fema camps” junkyard, and then returning to — I guess this?
Howie G:  Is this a typo:  that went on after the election of Jimmy Carter, in the December 1975 time period — or is the phrase “time period” supposed to be a weasel word?  (Suggested to a group tending to be hung up over a misplaced “Tri-lateral Commission“.)
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Mesmerizing power of Jeffrey Steinberg!!!
(Now, it’s true that from the libertarian perspective, Obama is fairly similar to Bush. It’s likewise true that, from the perspective of a die-hard Lyndon LaRouche supporter, Obama and Bush are also peas-in-a-pod, both ignoring LaRouche’s prophecies about the gold standard and the British monarchy and the like.) Jonathan Chait

Ah… but Obama can be fixed.  If he just realizes his Narcisstic Problem.  And then realizes the inherent “Institution of the Presidency”.  Which means following the road of the FDR — Clinton — Larouche Democrats!
That out is laid at the end of that “Narcisstic article”.  Clever game, they continue playing.

Okay. 
It’s been a while since I’ve heard anything about Lyndon LaRouche. Maybe since the eighties? I’m not sure.
If I remember correctly he’s a darling of the lunatic right-wing fringe. I’m dying to hear more about the “Anglo-Dutch financial oligarchy.” I wonder if it’s anything like the International Jewish Conspiracy to take over the world.
Oh, not particularly the “darling” of anyone  — “right – wing fringe” or otherwise.  I think this sort of popular-conception is where some former members get annoyed by the “experts”.
Michael R. Zaeske has been active in the LaRouche movement for the past 13 years. He and his wife live in Oshtemo Township with their three dogs.
I’m tempted to post a rather mean-spirited allustion to cult policy, but I can let it go.  Cryptically, I’ll just say that I trust they’ve walked their dogs today.

2 Responses to “Health Care Nazism and 9/11 and Jabble-wockery: my weekly Larouche update”

  1. jacksmith Says:

    LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. (Thomas Paine)

    We have the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed world. Conservative estimates are that over 120,000 of you dies each year in America from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Insured and uninsured. Men, women, children, and babies. This is what being 37th in quality of healthcare means.

    I know that many of you are angry and frustrated that REPUBLICANS! In congress are dragging their feet and trying to block TRUE healthcare reform. What republicans want is just a taxpayer bailout of the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry, and the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry. An insurance bailout is all you really get without a robust government-run public option available on day one.

    These industries have been slaughtering you and your loved ones like cattle for decades for profit. Including members of congress and their families. These REPUBLICANS are FOOLS!

    Republicans and their traitorous allies have been trying to make it look like it’s President Obama’s fault for the delays, and foot dragging. But I think you all know better than that. President Obama inherited one of the worst government catastrophes in American history from these REPUBLICANS! And President Obama has done a brilliant job of turning things around, and working his heart out for all of us.

    But Republicans think you are just a bunch of stupid, idiot, cash cows with short memories. Just like they did under the Bush administration when they helped Bush and Cheney rape America and the rest of the World.

    But you don’t have to put up with that. And this is what you can do. The Republicans below will be up for reelection on November 2, 2010. Just a little over 13 months from now. And many of you will be able to vote early. So pick some names and tell their voters that their representatives (by name) are obstructing TRUE healthcare reform. And are sellouts to the insurance and medical lobbyist.

    Ask them to contact their representatives and tell them that they are going to work to throw them out of office on November 2, 2010, if not before by impeachment, or recall elections. Doing this will give you something more to do to make things better in America. And it will help you feel better too.

    There are many resources on the internet that can help you find people to call and contact. For example, many social networking sites can be searched by state, city, or University. Be inventive and creative. I can think of many ways to do this. But be nice. These are your neighbors. And most will want to help.

    I know there are a few democrats that have been trying to obstruct TRUE healthcare reform too. But the main problem is the Bush Republicans. Removing them is the best thing tactically to do. On the other hand. If you can easily replace a democrat obstructionist with a supportive democrat, DO IT!

    You have been AMAZING!!! my people. Don’t loose heart. You knew it wasn’t going to be easy saving the World. 🙂

    God Bless You

    jacksmith — Working Class

    Republican Senators up for re-election in 2010.

    * Richard Shelby of Alabama
    * Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
    * John McCain of Arizona
    * Mel Martinez of Florida
    * Johnny Isakson of Georgia
    * Mike Crapo of Idaho
    * Chuck Grassley of Iowa
    * Sam Brownback of Kansas
    * Jim Bunning of Kentucky
    * David Vitter of Louisiana
    * Kit Bond of Missouri
    * Judd Gregg of New Hampshire
    * Richard Burr of North Carolina
    * George Voinovich of Ohio
    * Tom Coburn of Oklahoma
    * Jim DeMint of South Carolina
    * John Thune of South Dakota
    * Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas
    * Bob Bennett of Utah

  2. Justin Says:

    The presence of that last comment is probably my fault: It is a spam-bot creation which throws it out whenever and wherever health care is blogged. I’d been lax in providing a post to throw this at… thus, spambot jacksmith posts it to a quasi-related Larouche post.

    But I take this opportunity to post about the blurry underside of rhetoric in American politics — as shown here:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2223754/

    But one question stood out. It addressed what the host from the AARP called the “infamous” Page 425 of the House health care bill. (Read the bill here.) “I have been told there is a clause in there that everyone that’s Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die,” said Mary from North Carolina. “This bothers me greatly, and I’d like for you to promise me that this is not in this bill.” The host elaborated: “As I read the bill, it’s saying that Medicare will, for the first time, cover consultation about end-of-life care, and that they will not pay for such a consultation more than once every five years. This is being read as saying every five years you’ll be told how you can die.”

    “Well, that would be kind of morbid,” Obama said.

    The audience laughed. Many observers aren’t so amused. To them, the House bill and health care reform in general are the legislative equivalent of euthanasia.

    WITH this comment, linked to by xlcer at facnet:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019259.php

    You know who’s been instrumental in hyping this story about euthanizing the elderly? Lyndon LaRouche — yep, the same guy who used to force his female cultists to get abortions, the same guy whose long time loyal disciple and printer committed suicide after the LaRouche leadership savaged him in one of their bulletins and suggested that the Boomer generation of LaRouchies should kill themselves. Notice how that creep is always turning up like a bad penny when Republicans need someone to put out their most vicious smears for them? Lee Atwater found him extremely useful back in ’88, and he hasn’t gone away.

    Two things: One: Putting the “threat of Euthanizing the elderly” conspiracy at the feet of Larouche gives the org too much credit — even if Larouche is trafficking in it. (Maybe I’m not paying enough attention, but have they jumped on Obama’s new “Science Czar” yet?)Two: Neither can this be placed on the Republicans — the org trafficked in the same crud all through Bush I and Bush II, and on behalf of Clinton — moving past the ends of sometimes harsh rhetoric of Dem pols into the realm of the great population reduction genocide conspiracy.

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