“Justice for Jeremiah”: to what degree does revenire not believe his crap?

tap tap tap… You know… I haves post about more mainstream political stuff.  Arlen Specter.  Obama’s emerging gaffe chart.  Portland’s boondoggle MLS deal.  But, no… I have to go back to this thing:

The latest missive from L-PAC (and what kind of “political action committee is this?) reiterates two points:  #1: The degree to which the org cares not at all about the Duggans, and #2: a degree to which, and I don’t know quite what degree it is, Revenire does not believe his crap.

But let’s start with a demonstration of how ridiculous the Internet art of “fisking” looks like on a Larouchian article.  (And Jerry Pyenson: please to be posting to a 9/11 Truth board, as I’m disinclined to link directly to L-PAC.  Oh, never mind — I’ll go ahead and post it in the comments.)

March 25, 2009 (LPAC)–A well known group of miscreants,
well known group of miscraents?
steered by circles associated with the British Fabian Society
British Fabian Society?
and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair
and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair?
, are, once again, planning a hate rally against Lyndon and Helga LaRouche in Germany.
hate rally?

Actually that’s enough of that.  But let’s skip the next paragraph (important though it may be with key phrases) and here’s the key paragraphs for show in the two points I made at the top:

The matter first erupted into the public in 2003, several months after Mr. Duggan’s suicide, when Lyndon LaRouche was prominently featured in the British press as a leading American opponent to the war in Iraq instigated under then P.M. Tony Blair’s lying pretext. At that time, British intelligence circles, most notably British scientist David Kelly, were exposing Blair and his aides of “sexing up” the evidence that Blair and U.S. President George Bush had proclaimed as the justification for the war. After a public uproar, Kelly was found dead, supposedly by suicide. Subsequent events have amply proved that LaRouche and Kelly were right and that Blair, Bush and U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney were liars.

Wishing to cover up their public falsehoods, the Blair-Bush-Cheney circle began a war time false propaganda campaign against LaRouche by manipulating the grieving Duggan family into claiming, without any foundation whatsoever, that the suicide of Jeremiah was not properly investigated and encouraging them to promote numerous false and nefarious allegations against LaRouche fed to them by LaRouche’s enemies.

To ask Erica Duggan to accept this is to demand she join the cult in believing Larouche a “World Historic Person”, which clearly she’s disinclined to do even if he’s an important figure in her life after the death of her son.  As a cult focused on Larouche’s Eminence, they are incapable of getting away from this internally, even as externally it’s a necessity.  As for revenire and his mindset:  notice that in his frequent feignings of “sympathy” toward the Duggans’ grief as “hi-jacked” for political purposes (and it apparently it took him until just this last week to discover an amount of animosity and/or distrust by some of the ex-Larouchies at factnet toward King and Berlet) by those long time Larouche haters, he never stated it in the context of Dick Cheney, Tony Blair, and et al. and broader political battles — and that sheer joke of being referred to here as “leading American opponent to the war in Iraq”

This LPAC item trips over itself round about here:
After a public uproar, Kelly was found dead, supposedly by suicide.
You don’t say.  Wait!  Is this some sort of double reverse?!  By implying this Suicide as actually a cover-up for a nefarious death, implying the Larouche critics as equally conspiratorial to the Larouchies!  Pretty clever!  It’s actually one step more clever than revenire’s “Bush — Palme conspiracy” contraption, because that one is implied as rejected by the Larouchies while this one is accepted! 

But revenire gets a little bit complicated in allowing me to brush him aside as not entirely believing his crap.  It appears that for the sake of argument and public consumption (figure LPAC articles as in a gray area between public and private consumption), he can’t go into this broader political context because he recognizes its absurdity to the outside world with the always raving matter of “what to do with” the Jeremiah Duggan “problem”.  BUT, in his parting shot, he rattled into the Larouche storyline regarding his place in uncovering Iran Contra — where in reality the Org is a mildly interesting footnote, in the Larouche sphere, he hovers over.  It took me a while to understand what he was stating, elliptically that he did so — a big chit in the reason for Larouche’s Imprisonment, supposedly, as opposed to the actual Credit Fraud as presented in the mindset shown in the recent “Windy City Dialouge” with:

If we don’t get enough money in, I’m going to kill somebody. [laughs]

But here revenire MUST and CAN go into this because this is a bit more in the realm of “Inside Baseball”, and we’ve got this game to play.

Though, nobody believes that one either.

Though, they’re always tripping for a narrative, witness (and I guess this is another board they’ve found useful), Obama’s collapsing ratings.  (Not yet.  It’ll happen eventually, as it does all presidents.)  I also note, a blogger at the libertarian Reason Magazine has discovered the 2 year old insertion into the conspiratorial purview, and European was accused by “Howie Copywriter” of quitting because he wasn’t getting any money or sex.

6 Responses to ““Justice for Jeremiah”: to what degree does revenire not believe his crap?”

  1. Justin Says:

    More British Empire Lies Against the LaRouches

    March 25, 2009 (LPAC)–A well known group of miscreants, steered by circles associated with the British Fabian Society and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, are, once again, planning a hate rally against Lyndon and Helga LaRouche in Germany.

    The ostensible pretext for the latest eruption of false propaganda against the LaRouches is the anniversary of the death of British national Jeremiah Duggan who killed himself by running into traffic on a busy highway in Wiesbaden, Germany six years ago. Despite the fact that all the investigating authorities in Germany and Britain have ruled the matter a suicide, the British political enemies of LaRouche continue to steer the family of the deceased and a network of shop-worn LaRouche haters as a vehicle for public venting of politically motivated lies against the LaRouches.

    The matter first erupted into the public in 2003, several months after Mr. Duggan’s suicide, when Lyndon LaRouche was prominently featured in the British press as a leading American opponent to the war in Iraq instigated under then P.M. Tony Blair’s lying pretext. At that time, British intelligence circles, most notably British scientist David Kelly, were exposing Blair and his aides of “sexing up” the evidence that Blair and U.S. President George Bush had proclaimed as the justification for the war. After a public uproar, Kelly was found dead, supposedly by suicide. Subsequent events have amply proved that LaRouche and Kelly were right and that Blair, Bush and U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney were liars.

    Wishing to cover up their public falsehoods, the Blair-Bush-Cheney circle began a war time false propaganda campaign against LaRouche by manipulating the grieving Duggan family into claiming, without any foundation whatsoever, that the suicide of Jeremiah was not properly investigated and encouraging them to promote numerous false and nefarious allegations against LaRouche fed to them by LaRouche’s enemies.

    The complete disregard of the truth displayed by this campaign is underscored by the inclusion into these efforts of one Marielle “Molly” Kronberg, a former associate of LaRouche. Kronberg is an Anglophile American and a fanatical adherent to the Church of England who had established herself as a willing liar more than twenty years ago when, under penalty of prison for her own misconduct, she provided false testimony against LaRouche in the infamous criminal trial brought against him by George Bush the elder with the collaboration with the same Fabian circles in Britain behind the current propaganda campaign. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark called the prosecution of LaRouche “a broader range of deliberate cunning and systematic misconduct over a longer period of time utilizing the power of the Federal government than any other prosecution by the U.S. Government in my time or to my knowledge”.

    According to accounts on various anti-LaRouche websites, including the official site of the Duggan family, this group plans a series of events in Wiesbaden, Germany on March 27, 2009. As their own websites acknowledge, all competent legal authorities, including the original German investigators, the German courts, a British coroner and the Attorney General for England and Wales have all found their claims unwarranted.

    Given that the facts of the Duggan suicide have been so clearly established by such a broad array of legal authority, the only reason for the planned events in Wiesbaden is to stir up hatred against LaRouche and his supporters and should be recognized as such by any honest observer.

    …………………
    Also worth mentioning:
    http://talkradionews.com/2009/03/interview-with-lyndon-larouche-on-the-economy/
    … I think I detect a bit of eye rolling in Ellen Ratner’s questioning at certain points of times, and a small bit of “I’m doing something a little bit wacky here”.
    http://talkradionews.com/author/ellen/

  2. rachel holmes Says:

    Not that anyone’s looking for the return of revenire–currently stuck in a wormhole on Factnet, I believe, but–

    Here’s an interesting little item I picked up on kheris’s blog, http://larouchewatch.blogspot.com/

    It seems revenire found a new place to post recently, at American Prospect

    http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=10&year=2007&base_name=political_cults

    So we have the following exchange over there:

    My ubderstanding is that there were problems in the marriage and this sort of thing has driven many a man to jump off a bridge, out a window, whatever.
    Marielle can say whatever she wants now that poor Ken can’t defend himself can’t she?
    She’s rather low as human beings come.
    Posted by: revenire | March 15, 2009 2:33 PM

    The Return of Revenire

    If anyone’s still reading this thread, which I very much doubt, let me note that revenire is a longtime member of the LaRouche organization who posts under various names on Factnet, Skull/Bones, LaRouche-related (and Ken-related) Wikipedia discussion pages.

    On Skull/Bones, he characterized my late husband Ken Kronberg, and the late Jeremiah Duggan, as members of the “Jumper Brigade” and invited me and others to join them in jumping.

    This is par for the course for LaRouchies–they mistake their vicious paranoia for high good humor.

    Of course revenire clings to the LaRouche line that I drove Ken to his death, the theme that LaRouche has been pushing since summer 2007, when I began to expose LaRouche’s role in Ken’s death.

    LaRouche has now coupled the Molly-Killed-Ken slander with the idiotic assertion that I have been an FBI agent since (variously) 1979, 1986, 1988.

    All I can say is, if I had been an FBI agent all those years, LaRouche would still be in prison.

    As to revenire, it’s not worth saying more.

    Posted by: Marielle Kronberg | March 28, 2009 9:03 AM

    Eek! You hear that, revenire? Not worth saying more??

    What an insult!

  3. Justin Says:

    Not that it matters too much, but going to Khreis’s site and not seeing it, it appears you picked up the American Prospect link from here.

  4. rachel holmes Says:

    No–If yoiu go to Kheris’s site, and go to Older Posts, and go to the Nov. 7 post (I was scrolling through all the old posts looking for something)–anyhow, if you go there, and click on the line that says “a string of comments from Molly Kronberg at American Prospect,” you will get to the American Prospect site and will get to revenire’s post from March 15. (and Molly Kronberg’s reply.)

    It may be identical to something revenire posted here, since he was posting here a lot.

    I generally read this blog avidly, and very infrequently look at Kheris’s,. I would not be surprised if Kheris picked up the Am Prospect link from this site.

  5. rachel holmes Says:

    The latest exchange between revenire and Molly Kronberg on American Prospect website

    (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=10&year=2007&base_name=political_cults&20)

    Marielle,

    LaRouche had no role in Ken’s death.

    You admitted you and Ken argued a great deal.

    You might as well have pushed him yourself.

    By the way, I don’t post at Wikipedia so better check your sources again.

    Your husband sided with LaRouche and you didn’t. That would drive any man to commit a desperate act.

    You’re the cause if you have to have one.

    You’re not a FBI agent but the cat is out of the bag as far as your role in treason and betrayal and I am sure Ken knew all about your wicked acts.

    A shame you did this and then portray the victim, like poor Duggan’s mother.

    Posted by: revenire | March 28, 2009 7:21 PM

    Get a grip, rev.

    Apparently you’ve never been married, or not married for long, or have been in a strange marriage, if you have not argued with your spouse.

    But never mind all that.

    Let’s go through a quick catechesis:

    Did I write the April 11, 2007 morning briefing suggesting that Ken commit suicide?

    Or was that Tony Papert and Lyndon LaRouche?

    Did I bankrupt WorldComp and PMR?

    Or was that Lyndon LaRouche?

    Did I tell the LaRouche org National Committee, in an NC conference call that Ken was on, that Ken was ripping off the organization and had virtually destroyed it?

    Or was that Lyndon LaRouche?

    Why didn’t Ken just leave me, and stick with Lyndon LaRouche?

    Divorce is way more common than suicide. Something else must have been going on.

    I say that something was that Ken had realized that Lyndon LaRouche, the man to whom he had devoted his entire adult life, was a vile and vicious man.

    Why do you suppose LaRouche said, when briefed on Ken’s death, “Another fine mess I have to clean up”?

    As to whether I’m an FBI agent–LaRouche is now claiming that I am.

    Are you disagreeing with him?

    Does he know that?

    It takes a very special kind of person to try to wage the “psychological warfare” you’ve been deploying on various sites around the Internet.

    And “special” is no compliment here.

    Lastly–why don’t you sign your name? What are you afraid of? Ken Kronberg’s widow?

    Posted by: Marielle Kronberg | March 28, 2009 10:26 PM

    I don’t propose to post any more of these here, unless something gets really interesting.

    But it is interesting to watch revenire slithering around the Internet….

  6. Justin Says:

    This is the least important matter with concern to the “American Prospect” link, but — okay, that makes sense. American Prospect’s blog was one of the magazine blogs that picked up the link to the Washington Monthly story, it was where that bizarro conversation with the friendly “lightbulb” Larouchie started (ended up over here), and it would be something kheris would pick up on.

    And I’ve gone back to it these 2 times times as first one Larouchie attacked Mrs. Kronberg, and then revenire did so.

    Duggan in the news:
    http://jta.org/news/article/2009/03/29/1004076/murdered-jewish-students-mother-raising-awareness

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