one last pile of snot

I.  I’ve had a couple conversations regarding Larouche.  One, a guy who grew up in The Bronx telling me that round about ’99, he was 14, and they were recruiting in his neighborhood by handing out vhs tapes.  Excited by their pitch for “Socialism” (which he seemed to think was still what they’d be pitching), his mom had to break it to him and direct him to talk to his grandparent — retired cop.  [Interesting, as this may suggest a first hand account on “Operation Mop Up” as opposed to white collar trials of the 80s].
From this, I’m suggesting that you can’t claim him as part of a “red – brown alliance“.  On the surface, they convinced my anecdotal example they were anti-globalization socialists.  It was a ruse (when aiming for mass recruits, they tended to trek left — didn’t they?), unlike the world viewpoints of your (however much you want to tint them as “brown or “beige”, and whatever detestable or disgusting characteristics they had/have ) Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan… David Duke, Willis Carto…

Trying to make sense of this, of why a fascist organization would be opposing U.S. military expansionism
This one dimensional view of the political spectrum depresses me.  I think the line for your David Dukes was “Bring the troops home, and put them on the Mexican border” — one follows the other.

II.   Throw this board comment into the hopper, if tangeantally toJustice for Jeremiah Duggan“.

As for the Death of Jeremiah it seems very mysterious. I did experience a young recruit from Denmark undergo a total personality change after being at another cardre school in Wiesbaden, Germany around 2012. He attended a weekend there, after which he agreed to spend a week in the Stuttgart local with Petraeus and Benjamin Lilloff, after which he arrived in Berlin acting very strange, unresponsive, staring at the wall, as if he had been drugged. He seemed angry and started shouting and said to one Larouchie that he will have to kill him, causing the Larouchie to run out of the room. Others pinned him down, and called the police to take him away, to eventually let him go back to Denmark, presumably to his home. Before the police arrived he kept repeating ‘I love God, I love God, I love God…’
All this was explained away by saying how some in the Berlin office think that Benjamin and Petraeus are a bit weird and act like cultists. All that Benjamin and Petraeus had to say about it was to claim that he was a stoner hooked on weed and was experiencing the withdrawal effects of not taking any for one week, when of anything he seemed out of it on drugs. Benjamin is Danish also and may have got into his head somehow using behavioural psychology and drugs. This experience reminded me of what had happened to Jeremiah in that he acted out of character in a negative way which seems to be what happens to Jeremiah at the very least, from psychological bullying if not physical bullying from maybe a small group of people, especially when he didn’t want to join.

Anyone else notice the headline for Larouche’s EIR… “Justice for the World”.  Can’t be a coincidence.  It’s in their head.  (“Their” being whoever it is that is running that outfit these days, typos proliferating over the past few years on to where we have today “Mueller” as “Muller”.)

III.  Metaphorically, it’s crazy not to believe the world’s not run by Intelligent Lizard People.  Where you go from there in fleshing out any details, you’ll run into problems immediately.  I also think you can probably refer to any politico betraying false promises as the anti-Christ.
Alice Walker.  David Icke.  (Haven’t read the Icke piece in question, so don’t know where he goes on it.)
I probably shouldn’t post that here, as I imagine the Larouche org now making a bee-line to shake Alice Walker for some shinglings.  Interesting, as she seemed to feel the need to hedge a bit in prefacing the work of Zora Neele Hurston — rolling her eyes as she did at some of her fellow Harlem Renaissancers as they made their way to tour Soviet Russia, and who had some acidic comments on Brown vs Board of Education ruling.  (Which, in truth, prefigured some Black opposition to busing).  Sometime in the future, someone will be writing a foreword to Alice Walker and have to hem and haw at a seemingly random fluctuation to David Icke?
Alex Jones was maybe more discriminating (if you’re going to gauge some judgements).  “Turd in the conspiracy theory punch-bowl” — singling out the one memorable feature of David Icke’s worldview that’s memorable and which people will tend to agree — the “Lizard People run the world” theme.   Though, he eventually had him on.   As he had on Larouche a few years’ back.
Sometime back, in writing on the recent turns of Larouche, someone posited him as having been a darling guest on alt-right media.  (Never quite sure the term “alt – right” has much meaning, but that’s another story).  Not aware of anything other than Alex Jones, who — it should be noted — hasn’t had anyone from the org back lately…
More to the point, from what I can tell, looking about to see what Alex Jones has said about the death of the man.  Here’s what I’ve found.  Point it to me if there is more.

THE post-death exit interview with Lyndon Larouche.  Chapo Trap House.

IV.   Chuck Fager on his history with the org, where he uncovers the identity of Lyn Marcus, and talks to his parents.  Larouche goes apeshit, and after a melee of sorts…

And the upshot, as an employee to Congressman Pete McCloskey…
But in 1980, after more than a year of this effort, I got an unexpected call from the boss’s office: report here ASAP, said McCloskey’s chief of staff, There’s something you need to explain.
This sounded like trouble. And it was, but it did not involve shipping cartels. Instead, it was a stunning accusation: that I was a Kremlin spy, a KGB mole. And with it was a blast from the past.
It was a new experience, sitting with a Member of Congress, explaining to him that I was not now, and never had been a KGB mole.
But the accusation was there, in a sheaf of professionally printed papers, titled an intelligence “dossier” circulated among the 500-plus congressional offices on Capitol Hill by a group called the National Democratic Policy Committee (NDPC). I’d never heard of it. Yet, I reminded myself, KGB spies in the U.S., especially federal employees, often wound up in jail.

It didn’t take long to figure out that this document was a LaRouche production, and the NDPC one of his stream of front groups.

It was brief: the FBI had reviewed their files and had found nothing that implicated me in any of the “dossier” allegations. McCloskey gave me a copy, which I framed, and hung on my man cave wall. (After all, how many other people do you know who have a letter personally signed by the FBI Director saying the Bureau has no evidence they’re a KGB mole? But after my several moves, it’s now somewhere in a box of other personally important documents. I should hunt it down; after all, you never know . . .)

And he moves on to encountering the senior Lyndon Larouche in church services… preaching the evils of cremation to souls who have cremated their loved ones.

V.  Dateline Seattle.  One thought about this… we now have the first instance where someone might encounter them (here in Seattle) and offer the standard “Lyndon Larouche?  He’s still alive?” — where the answer is “Nope”.  But… the zombie org marches on.

I was hoping not to see these idiots anymore since he died. I don’t know why I was so naive.
Well who are we to question the LaRouche Science Research Team?
I just spent 30 minutes looking up it’s leader. He’s kind of like what you would imagine if L. Ron. Hubbard would have been like if he had chosen a life of politics instead of religion.
I’ve noticed a correlation between people who say ___ is the Holocaust and actual Holocaust denial.
I have a feeling she would be like that.
Lyndon LaRouche just passed away, with nary a mention in the news.
Probably because he is completely irrelevant unless you are a maniac.

Worth positing:  The figure of scorn is, politically, a good one.  Her “New Green Deal” was launched with a decimal point error “factor of ten” problem.  The Nation could only deflect away to the bigger fancifulness of her Republican “climate change” denier” cohorts.  But — I can’t help but look at OSC and see someone involved in a “fringe” political cast outside of the Democratic party who primaried the establishment at a young age — or… a more viable variant of the supposed “LYM” candidates who aren’t going anywhere.

VI.  Diane Sare (will she be the Larouche presidential candidate in 2024?) seems to not understand the practicality of the news media outlets filing away the obituaries of notables for quick issuance upon their death.  How the hell else is this supposed to work?
Anyway… she threw the guantlet.  Time for letters to the editor to tell the truth.

What a loss for humanity. He spoke at a conference in 1988, in the midst of a political prosecution similar in striking respects to that which we encounter against an American president in the U.S. today. He said if we think of our lives not as things which are lived for pleasure in and of themselves, but as an opportunity to fulfill a purpose, a purpose which is reflected in what we bequeath to those hundreds of billions of souls waiting to be born.

If it’s true that Larouche’s words are now going to be turned into Scripture, they do need to force some kind of Nicene Council to pull together the inconsistencies, as well figure out political stances: are they still for quarantining HIV patients?

Normally, this is a pretty good local paper, with fairly reliable and fair coverage of local government and local events of concern or interest to folks in the county.
The kind of local parochial which focuses in on the community, where we can get the latest dates and notices for the Leesburg Garden Club…
It must therefore have struck more than a few discerning readers, that the obituary did little but dust off long-stale lies devised by LaRouche’s enemies, pasted together selected pieces of purportedly “objective fact” with a few buzz words, in yet another effort to convince readers that LaRouche was just a paranoid tangle of incoherence and his life, and passing, therefore insignificant.What would lead the editor to do so? Was it some personal grudge? an attempt to show that local Loudoun Nowcan sit at the table with big guys like the Washington Postor New York Times that continue their decades-long effort to obfuscate LaRouche’s actual ideas and accomplishments? A signal, maybe, that Loudoun Now can be counted on by the likes of Robert Mueller—a major player in the notoriously corrupt federal prosecution of LaRouche in the 1980s—as new efforts get underway to stop LaRouche’s national and global renaissance programs from gaining further traction?

[…] LaRouche’s voluminous writings on physical economy, science, statecraft, history, and culture, available on his movement’s websites, speak to its origins. Dread fills us all who pursue the “voluminous writings”.

Rebuttal from Molly Kronberg here.  Specific to one, but could cover any and all of the “Letter to the Editor” campaign.

VII.  Round up of what the People were saying…

If he has a grave it will probably be well-fertilized with human and canine offerings.
That’s kinda’ too bad because it would also be a good place to dance.
Great, he was the last person standing between Queen Elizabeth and total world domination.  We are so fucked.
Wow!  Hadn’t thought of him for a while.  I didn’t know the thing about opera.  As a musician, it occurs to me that he may not have known that lowering the soprano part might just make it impossible for the bass to sing his part.  Yeah, that’s just nit picky as hell but it’s where my mind went when I read it.  Oh, and why did I not know about this Queen fixation?  That’s a real hoot!

While I despised everything about LaRouche—whose lawyers I laughed out of my office when they threatened to sue the alternative newspaper where I was editor/publisher because we called him an anti-semite—I always loved one of the bumperstickers the man’s pitiful acolytes pushed along with fusion power at their airport propaganda tables: “Nuke the Whales.” It perfectly sums up what LaRouchism is all about.
With his passing, I suppose the acolytes old and new will transform his writings into scripture.

So much for his 2020 campaign.
Anyway, rest in something, or rot in something, Lyndon.
About eight years ago a couple LaRouche-ite cult followers were outside a local drugstore near me, with a rather extreme racist anti- Obama sign, (the witch doctor photo) collecting money.
I’m in my 50’s, and these two were mid 30’s. They had a 18 year old spellbound in their speech when I walk up.
I said “oh, did they let LaRouche out of prison?” And started to razz them about LaRouche’s criminal convictions and prison sentences for finance violations, mail fraud, etc in the 1990’s.
The poor 18 year old kid had no idea. O guess they don’t teach kids history at all these days when it comes to historically evil criminal candidates of the past. The poor kid wanted to erase his name from the petition he just signed after I told him about LaRouche’s past run ins with the law, cult following, etc. the two LaRouchettes were livid I was telling the kid LaRouche’s history. It wasn’t a pretty sight.
This is an over the top way to launch a 2020 campaign
Like I say- I’m glad to know he won’t by preying on children any more.

I said in 1980, “The man is a walking SNL sketch.” Four years later there he was on SNL, played by Randy Quaid.

Etc etc etc etc Back to Illinois 1986EtcCracked.
One or two small probems with this oneHere
Short podcast.

His PAC described him as a “philosopher, scientist, poet, statesman” who died on the birthday of President Abraham Lincoln, whom he celebrated in his writings.

In defense of a One World Government.

Reading the political rags: The National Review chimed in with appropriately partisan lobs at the left.  We can expect Reason’s print edition to have something — though it may just reprise what’s on their website.  Other than the Jacobin at the furthest left (unless we get into the Revolutionary Communist Party’s paper), I don’t see much from that direction — but The National Review pointedly rounds up some obituaries in bullet point fashion, and he’s not relevant enough for the likes of The Nation or In These Times to spring out at him.  Further afield… I suspect The Fortean Times will have something.

VIII.  Some more stray comments — most important items from which posted over here

John Goras  Around 2005, a bunch of LaRouche’s people were out, protesting Bush/Iraqi War. I threw them some shekels for the F of it and took some of their lit. What really grabbed my attention was the harping of Hugh Hefner as a promoter of the LGBTetc. movement, took me another 12 years or so to find the work of Jay Dyer, E Micheal Jones and thekelly. Like Alex Jones, LaRouche was a gateway.

Chatkin avoids discussing the role of the Jew, in favor of blaming the BRC.
One has to consider how much Eustace Mullins and also Larouche and Tarpley owed to the work of Ezra Pound. The original and still in some ways most powerful “alt” thinker.
Noteworthy on Ezra Pound: at the end of his cantos, he apologizes for his “alt thinking” that marked some of his middle verses — you know, the love for Mussolini and denunciation of the jews.
Is this the definition of “alt thinking”?
It’s incredible: Webster Tarpley is the most mendacious pseudo historian I’ve seen, beyond crazy, a man that is pretty confident in the ignorance of his audience
Yeah, according to this people, the british crown, a wedding cake figurine, a puppet of the political-financial elite, is the master puppeteer of this world. Hiarious, only laughable. One time I heard Tarpley giving a conference about the lutheran revolt: according to the clown, Luther and the whole mayhem caused by him, as well as the Catholic response, especially Saint Igbatius, all of it was a play by a Cardinal Contarini, some type of demigod of the fifteenth century… Insane, over the top, remarcably crazy

IX.  An odd documentary (if documentary is the term) — the most noteworthy part is right at the start with Roger Stone offering praise for Larouche (“railroaded by Bush”.)  And here I reprise the question I had on Alex Jones…
… The relationship over?   Stone now never going to say the word “Larouche” ever again?

X.  Some odds and ends…

Like Dugin, Glazyev supports the convergence of left and right-wing ideas in the service of an illiberal geopolitical agenda, which often converge with older networks organized around the late fascist agitator and crank Lyndon LaRouche, who built a worldwide cult following based on conspiracy theories, economic doom, anti-Semitism, homophobia and racism. LaRouche network activists at the conferences have included Webster Tarpley and William Engdahl.……

One good result of Tuesday’s special election is that the public won’t accept racism, including connections to anti-Semitism and hate for Israel from the alt-right fringe groups growing in Queens and Manhattan, the way they accept nationally from the alt-left.  Republicans and Conservatives have rejected the racist overtones and questionable leadership of a few wannabe politicians who use social media to espouse threats, personal attacks and lies.
Their candidate of choice raised no money, received no endorsements from respected public figures and he came in with under 1% of the vote.  This is what happens when you choose to support the Lyndon LaRouche PAC, The Schiller Institute and align yourself with Neo-Nazis and hate groups.

XI.  Early rumblings of the “where’s the body” conspiracy theory

Also NB: or should that be N Morte: I find it hard to believe LL is still alive in his late 90s+ this may be simple lar to the rather suspicious death date given by Scientology Inc.’s house doctor for former SF writer turned creator of a religion “because thats where the money is” say many who heard him discussing plan to turn novel into Dianetics, the wealthy , er, religion’s Bible, a rewrite as truth of Slaves of Sleep, the late Harlan Ellison has writ on many occasions, including a note in Dangerous Visiobs, SF anthology

AND NOW THE POINT OF THIS RAMBLE: LL made campaign commercials each time he ran for president, all consisting of the candidate seated in a leather English Men’s Club chair, in front of a rather impressive looking home library rambling for 15-30 minutes, leading the viewer to come away with the feeling he was claiming Queen Elizabeth II and family were Iewish, and conspiring with other Jews to flood US streets wit heroin. Also, falsely, that he had recently met with, and advised(implying their support) of dozens of world leaders. This material, probably in the overptotected vaults of the Museum of Radio and Television, would be wonderful to show the quadrennial shift in the man’s views, and why he attracted so many for llowers, including a schizophrenic cousin of mine. Also, editor/authors seem to have missed out nature of the case that led to prison: LL’s minions working airports and other sites would talk people into making small cr d card donations to, usually the Fusion Foundation, then, especially if donors were elderly, invent and submit fraudulent cred card slips for donations several orders of magnitude larger, again, if memory serves.

Lyndon LaRouche, Right-wing conspiracy theorist who believed the Queen was a global drug-trafficker and who ran for US president eight times

Barking.  He should have been in the British House of Lords.

I though the Queen was a 14 foot lizard

There are competing theories.

This guy was a real piece of work. Far brighter than Donald Trump, LaRouche ended up qualifying for matching funds for his presidential run; screwed over thousands, if not millions … with misleading telemarketing campaigns and out-and-out credit card fraud, hauling in millions, which in the end were funneled down to him personally for his “expenses.”
He ended up doing hard time, but they didn’t lock him up forever. The great balance of his life, he lived like King George III.
I was down in Leesburg, Virginia, and got a look at his estate: armed guards everywhere. It looked like a pastoral version of Buckingham Palace.

I almost got him booked on a radio show I worked for once. Would have been wonderful talk radio fun. I do think he has coarsened political debate in the USA by quite a bit. Especially with his whole “Every President past Reagan is Hitler” rhetoric. His Space Elevator sounded like silly fun though. Also, he pretty much wrote the whole script for people wanting a return to Glass Steagal. He’s an interesting oddity. Should be a fun subject of future documentaries or movie dramas.

I don’t know the veracity of this story.  Was Lyndon Larouche running around anywhere in public in 1999?

 My own Lyndon LaRouche story: in 2004, he was at my high school’s mock democratic convention and spoke. Because his followers led with his opposition to the Iraq War, I briefly expressed interest and then realized how fucking insane it was.
RIP Lyndon LaRouche. You were born with the name of a guy who was destined to sell used Cadillacs and instead carved your own path as a failed politician.
Modern politics is such a fucking nightmare and yet it bums me out that college kids won’t see his blood and feces smeared fliers and handouts on campuses anymore. RIP to a real one
It has something to do with a cult, us against them. Anyone who’s ever been in a faction fight has more than likely demonized the opposition, no matter how close they are to you philosophically. Freud even had a name for that demonization, “the narcissism of small differences.” It’s us vs. evil. All morality is on our side.
From larouche materials:  [fn_4]. During the midday hours following the assassination of Robert Kennedy, I intervened to prevent Mark Rudd and his followers from mobilizing their intended plan to celebrate the assassination of that Presidential candidate. A leading member of that group of my adversaries, acceded to my warning that such an action by Rudd’s crew would have aroused the contempt of the population generally. [back to text for fn_4]  Rudd is older and wiser… or “Younger than that Now”.  If public opinion was the reason for larouche balking at this action, he was more keyed in on mass popular opinion than he was for the next fifty years.
From EIR, we see that the Rhode Island state House sleepily passed a resolution nodding at Larouche’s passing.    And you can watch it all go down, presumably, on the state’s variant of cspan if they archive those.  Well, here’s their guy in Rhode Island, Justin Price.

Lyndon LaRouche, by far the most adept political economist since Alexander Hamilton,

Apparently Nancy Spannaus has a new book out about Alexander Hamilton — with thanks to a few old cohorts in the Larouche org and someone from a legitimate Hamilton organization.  I suppose she’s trying something of the Tarpley approach — who could shove an anti-Bush conspiracy book into a launching point and sustaining mark for his career.  Though, it’s hard to see the ardor for Hamilton having such a shelf life.

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