Kesha Rogers, Rachel Brown, Summer Shields, Dave Christie, Diane Sare, Bill Roberts: Running under the Banner of Larouche’s Crude Monkey / Gorilla Jokes.

A rule I have had, from the start of his presidential campaign on into his presidency, with regards to caricature and Obama: just do us all a favor and stay away from the Primates.  Yes, there is a double standard that exists with Obama and the 42 Presidents who preceded him, but it is one with a historic reason for existing, and the various people in the recurring “Obama — Monkey” scandals know full well or should know full well the reason.

Still, I have seen in the recurring mini-controversies some room to parse meanings, which is to say to explain why in some instances the “just a caricature like done with Bush” doesn’t even compute.  The image sent out by an elected member of the central committee of the Republican Party of Orange County — which puts Obama’s ancestors as two monkeys — falls into this category.  The comment in her apology, “the thought never entered my mind until one or two other people [Scott Baugh, Orange County GOP boss, and this writer] tried to make this about race” is a little hard to fathom.

I would be inclined to argue that the Obama Joker image is not racist, except that the creation is stupid enough and not deserving of the attention necessary to argue the point.(*1)

One thing we can say about the elected Orange County Republican representative is she did have to give an account for her action — she was, perhaps feebly, “held to account”.

Mockingly, my thought after watching these 45 seconds, was “Well, that’s the end of that guy’s career in electoral politics.”  But of course, the Larouche Org does not function like a regular political organization.  They’ve a world of fantasists (*2), on the cusp of power against a sea of Historic Disintegration.  They’re a marketing scam operating off of political paranoia.  They play the politics of pissing into a pool, in the direction of a mass of piss, and pointing to the mass of piss and proudly beating their chest proclaiming — “See!  We did that!”  (For instance on that last one:)

Sarah Palin stole it from LaRouche.
They will never admit it.
They picked it up because I spammed it all over the Sarah Palin resigns video on youtube.
They are so easy to manipulate
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The comment from the diatribe produced there that I commented on at the time, on this blog, was In response to Obama’s insistence that he will not back down, LaRouche said: “Obama should back down or he might be hung.(*4) (Move forward on that blog post for an LPAC description of a Holocaust Survivor.)

These 45 seconds seem a non sequitur.   The awkward jab dangles there, at the end.  We have Sky Shields finish up his “Scientific Presentation”.  We have a couple of seconds of awkward silence, before the old cult leader makes his little joke — proudly —  “That was, Where does a chimpanzee go to vote in the US election?”  John Hoefel  — who it falls on to provide the punchline for the joke everyone is nervously laughing at —  lest that task land with Sky Shields: “I think at the White House.”  Forced Laughter follows.  Awkward silence.  They wrap up — “Anything else, Lyn?”  And it all ends badly from there.

The Larouche organization is running six candidates for Congress for 2012.  This is up from, depending on how you count, the two or three candidates they ran in 2010.  There are Kesha Rogers, Rachel Brown, Summer Shields, Dave Christie, Diane Sare, and Bill Roberts.  Running for office with your name on the ballot, gives a candidate some minimal media attention.  Rachel Brown received an amused amount of coverage when Barney Frank shot back at her at a Townhall meeting.  To a lesser extent, Diane Sare received some when New Jersey’s governor Chris Christie used her questioning to similar effect.  As this is a tactic for the organization, and as these six individuals have been moved front and center as the organization’s representatives at these townhall meetings, I imagine in the coming year, media outlets will find themselves with a few more moments like this.

More pointedly, in 2010 the two congressional campaigns gave the Larouchies two political debates.  Barney Frank stated about his debate with Rachel Brown that he never refuses a debate with anyone — a matter which caused some griping by his Republican general election foe for wanting to include minor party candidates — so it looks as though a Rachel Brown primary candidacy equals a Barney Frank — Rachel Brown debate.  It is not out of the realm of possibilities that Kesha Rogers could win her nomination again — the Democratic Party would not like to think about this district — which would mean another Public Broadcasting debate.

Of course, nobody asked the candidates for elected office about their organization’s previous Obama — Monkey scandal, wherein Larouche came out against miscegenation (in the parsing of meanings this falls in the category of “can’t even bother with the fig-leaf of caricature)– in 2010.  The debate moderators have a bit of a hard task with the Larouche candidates and what to do with them — you can more or less pick an item out at random from the Larouche org’s Collected Works and have something which is electorally disqualifying.  As it were, Rachel Brown and Kesha Rogers got out pretty darned easy in their debates, the debate moderators not really wanting to spend their time on irrelevant Larouche figures and tracking back to a sort of humoring of them, bemused eyebrow raising on how a quick relocation exercise to Mars will save humanity.(*5)

One more problem with the 2008 Monkey comments is the sourcing and origins.  They come from the org’s Internal Daily Briefings.  The Larouche wikipedia team stone-facedly shoved it aside for that reason.  But, when approaching the 2012 campaigns, the latest exercise in Racist awkwardness was delivered for public consumption.  A year is a long time before anything comes up where a journalist or moderator is in the definite position of having a sit – all, and I imagine it may be too much to ask for someone to actually “use the clip” for candidate reaction — but understand, if they were normal candidates running seriously for office they would be asked to respond to this clip.

Oh, Here’s Dennis King on this, by the way.

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(*1) A little … exuberant, I suppose.  Does it look as though Congress and the American President are a little too zealous about protecting Corporate Fascism and the wars that feed it?
According to Lyndon LaRouche of Larouchepac:
FDR & JFK’s policies were those that would prevent corporate fascism and protect the creativity as well as the right to flourish for any group of people in any given country by sovereignty rights by instituting such laws as Glass Steagal. The Patriot Act is only a veiled arm of fascism,designed to take down any that defend their rights by the constitution.LaRouche and his 40 years in Economic History under FDR & JFK Policies declare the easiest way to disarm & de-fund Corporate Fascism is to institute Glass Steagal. To do so, all the other arms of fascism will drop like a house of cards that it really is. Iceland,Ireland ,Spain & Greece seem to get the message.
Will the People of the Constitution take up their legacy???   It is Time to Lead the World into the greatest Leap of Human Rights & Progress that has ever been seen!!!
Actually Larouche hates FDR and JFK.  I read it in his Walter Lippmann book.

Exuberant?  Hey! i got a flood of pro-nuke folx commenting on the blog post.  I heard about the miracle of Thorium reactors [Thorium reactor proponents are a bit like Lyndon Larouche disciples – what they lack in logic they make up for in enthusiasm] about how i was a bad dad and on and on.  I blasted much of it.  It is my blog, i control the content.  Then i got a whole slew of “freedom of speech” objections.  People were upset that i had erased their comments, i blasted most of these comments as well.

To explain why any iteration of Glass Steagal passed won’t be good enough.:  Before Dave gets excited and goes all “Lyndon Larouche” on his readers about the return of Glass-Steagall courtesy of the U.K.’s Exchequer, there’s a few things you may want to consider.  To start with, growing up Dave shared a bedroom with his brother and this is where he learned one of the first lessons about power, control and the partitioning of assets and access.

Put up on “Impeach Obama” facebook page.  Lyndon LaRouche today said that the bipartisan Congressional revolt against President Barack Obama’s flagrant violation of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Act is just like the early moments of the Watergating of President Richard Nixon. “It is just the beginning, but the parallels to WatergateOf course, “Watergate” is a verb meaning Presidents are set up for a fall because of the nefarious goals of — for instance in Nixon’s case, the Drug Dealers who wanted to squash Nixon’s “War on Drugs” and bring about a Dark Ages through Beatles music and through installation of Nelson Rockefellar as President.  I read about that in Dope, Inc.

Also, Larouche doesn’t go far enough.  Or maybe failed to act in time.   In  response to the US food shortages, high costs of food and fuel, Lyndon  La Rouche is calling for emergency food-price controls claiming that the  “US and  the world is being driven into hyperinflation…”  As far as  I’m concerned,  this is too little, too late.  A call for price controls  will only make the  situation much, much worse.  Instead, I propose the  immediate education of the  entire population in soil management,  sustainable living technologies, and  self-reliant living.  Perhaps,  PERHAPS, in a generation, our children may have  the ability to feed  themselves to a certain extent and won’t have to rely upon  a failing  political and economic system that may not make it one more  generation  out.

(*2)  Further seen, and I think more directly round straight back to the Larouchies, when Glenn Beck ran a special on George Soros.  Some people noticed.
Why do more people trust FOX news to be accurate and honest over all the other Soros influenced sources?
Beck’s source for his Soros piece was LYNDON LAROUCHE!!!
Don’t try to pretend Fox TV is any kind of serious news source
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The questioner there does the trick further by suggesting Fox News is “Soros influenced”, which I suppose is just as well.  Everyone makes use of a cropped and mis-directed 60 Minutes interview.

(*3) A parallel example can be found in this response from a Larouchie to a Pleasanton complaint on the Obama — Hitler image propped on a neighbor’s lawn.  The Larouchie has this mindsetLooks like you’re out of your comfort zone; breaking laws to quash freedom of speech?  LaRouche agrees with you that America is headed towards Fascism. He believes it is already here and supported by Soros (considered by LaRouche to be a Synarchist, you know, the shadow government we’re all fighting against). That’s why LaRouche use the Obama-as-Hitler image. Now that he’s got your attention with that image, perhaps you’d like his politics. He wrote a book on Marxist political economy.
Somehow a person is supposed to be “shocked” by the image and then move from there to a “rational look at the facts” which ends with supporting their view point.  I will give them that it works on … just enough… people off of the edges to make it a going concern 50 years.

Some more comedy from this series of exchanges.:
“Civil Disobedience”:  Note, too, that Stacey, after providing her juvenile comment about LaRouche and Soros being equivalent actors in some kind of smackdown — such is Stacey’s moral sensibility I guess — fails to address Night Owl’s pointed question: What is it in her estimation that puts Lyndon LaRouche and George Soros on the same moral level? I imagine she’s still scouring wikipedia entries in hopes of finding something Nazi-like that Soros has done.

And This seems an odd forum to discuss things.
Isn’t part of the answer, though, within:

Talking of which, can anyone explain to me why “Koch” seems to have become synonymous with “antichrist” for the leftish side of the spectrum? Barely a day passes between inbox fillers about the latest Koch Nefariousness or Turpitude. It’s fracking tiresome. Are Lyndon LaRouche and Cigarette-smoking man no longer hip enough?.

(*4) To be fair, in the fantasist mind of Larouche, Obama is always on the edge here — ready to be put out once his controllers deem his use done.  Should someone like the schizophrenic man who shot at Representative Giffords, it will be blamed on an operation in place from Tavistock — the ultimate blamers somewhere in the imaginations of Daniel Brandt to shuffle whatever Ross Perot and Pat Robertson have on this.

They have “played both sides against the middle”, as with this slogan from that rosy period where the Larouchies were “in talks with the Obama Administration” and touting the “Institution of the Presidency” — and the slogan they circulated when defending a corrupt black Boston political figure at a city council meeting.

(*5) This is a standard thought that must run through the debate moderators — “Aren’t they a relic from the 1980s?” — Lyndon LaRouche? You date yourself, my dear. P.S. HoR, I apologise for my initial comments and did not mean to offend that “you date yourself (my dear).” I was a fan of Perry but have done my research. Much to my dismay,

OR:  That Lyndon LaRouche guy is funny as hell. “What caused all the problems in India, Africa, the US all over the world… The British Empire this guy is about 100 years late. How you going to blame the ills going on in any nation today .

AND THEN AGAIN:  from 2009:  LaRouche supporters continue to alienate both the left and the right. That is one thing that brings the Democrats and the Republicans together, their hatred for the LaRouchers.
The definition of madness is doing the same thing repeatedly while expecting different results.
After over 20 years of this completely idiotic Post Office campaign strategy, one would think they would finally get it. But they don’t, and that is why The LaRouchers are all quite insane
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Dateline Seattle.  The Lydon LaRouche movement has a display outside the Greenwood U.S. Post Office today.

Go peddle them to Lydon LaRouche, we’re not interested. boxofteabags – June 11th, 2011 at 9:24 am.

Thank god the Jews have the own country, they have a place to go when they get blamed for this thing again.
Herman Cain warned me about the false science of Chinese communists and radical Norwegian socialists­. Thank you godfather, I love the smell of ignorance in the morning.
Herman Cain must be a follower of Lyndon LaRouche
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You’re an idiot. Ron Paul was clearly the winner.
On what criteria: he was inarticulate, waffling and didn’t answer any question in a comprehensible manner. None of the “real” snap polls thought he won anything. You remind me of the blind cult-like LaRouchies or perhaps the Moonies. On what basis do you make that outrageous assertion
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Odd  that Lyndon LaRouche hasn’t declared. He seems like a perfect  Tea Party candidate.

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Larouche In Conversation to the “Great Minds” of The Day, as he was in conversation with “Great Minds” in Grade School after everyone bullied him (I read that in his autobiography):.

Here’s a piece by Makow this morning that I think has merit. [+] Makow points to the Enlightenment as a counter-action against the Renaisance like Larouche does but he refuses to see FDR in the same light as Larouche, perpetrating the myth that FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. Still, Makow has merit and is consistent with Larouche on a number of points using a slightly different semantic frame than Larouche. Makow doesn’t know about Witzsche’s solutions however and in fact, Makow doesn’t really have any solutions. He does advocate resistance however in this article.

AND… — “Brother Nathaniel”.  “Tracing America’s Enslavement to Jewish Bankers”. Although now misunderstood by economists such as Lyndon LaRouche and associates, for the greater good of America, President Jackson sent federal troops into the states who refused, (albeit indirectly), to pay off the debt to Jewish bankers, forcing those states to collect taxes. View Entire Story Here , Here , Here & Here . For seventy-seven years, although argued that Jewish financing of America’s railroads and gold trafficking kept the nation under Jewry’s thrall, America was no longer under the heel of Jewish bankers. Andrew Jackson, remarkably…federal force notwithstanding…paid off the debt.

Two different things.  You see what we have is a false debate
Bankster Keyneisan Healthcare
Bankster Austrian Healthcare
What we had up to Obamacare was neither, Obamacare decidely put it into Bankster Keynesian Healthcare
You want a clearer picture here’s two things about Austrian school (no need to debunk keyneisan since we all know that here)

To reference the fascist LaRouche is enough in and of itself to discredit you, but you’re at least honest enough to admit the source of your ideas, so I’ll give you that much.

The Bilderberg Group has been denounced as a conspiracy from left and right, from everyone from crackpots like Alex Jones, Lyndon LaRouche, Phyllis Schlafly to Jesse Ventura (see video above) and Fidel Castro, who described “sinister cliques and the Bilderberg lobbyists” manipulating the public “to install a world government that knows no borders and is not accountable to anyone but its own self” in an article he wrote for Granma .

If you say so.  (Preparing a people for the savior’s soon return… Wait.  Who’s he talking about here?)

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An Update:

Occurring after this entry was posted, an anonymous user on wikipedia removed a mass of material at the Larouche wikipedia page from his autobiography “of sorts” — on “making Kant and Descartes and Leibnz his peers” and being not an “ugly duckling” but a “nasty duckling”.  I leave it to you to determine if there was a connection between the two events, and at any rate the material has been restored by Will Beback.

Other wikipedia items: Est 300 wisely moved some material to the Amelia Robinson article, Waalkes moved it back, seeking a counter to views expressed by “Bakker” and a Larouche validator.  To answer Javen’s question about the “HK Sock Puppet Menace” posed in Larouche Movement: Yes.  A comedic moment is seen at the Views page with Cla68’s question, by way of sidelining King and Berlet, “Who is the biggest expert on Larouche’s philosophy than Larouche himself?”.  (Curiously mixed in this is an argument that too much weight is given to his views on the Queen.)  And, Sheldon Droden’s attention (by way of a Commentary piece about the Air America founder’s perchance with “Prescott Bush founded the Nazis”) and a Village Voice article were brought to bear to validate EIR.

3 New “Larouche used as insult” examples: Michelle Bachmann  Maybe it was the sight of LaRouche supporters from the CEC turning up on King street in Newtown yesterday to do intellectual battle with the greenies that reminded me just how many loons there are in the world, and many of them as mad as march hares to boot.
At times Bachmann is right out there, if not in company with LaRouche, then in company with the desire to be as mad as a march hare.
Ron Paul IS a fringe candidate. In any other incantation of the republican party you would find his supporters at a folding table in the airport or your local strip mall. The fact that the republican party represents bat shit crazy makes him look relevant by comparison.
He reminds me a lot of Lyndon La Rouche………keep an eye out at a post office near you. He is running for the 20th. time
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AND… one removed for “short cut” insult purposes… Who Should replace Brian Haw in his unique activist role?
Nataliya Vitrenko.
Little-known outside her native Ukraine and generally ignored within it, Ms Vitrenko makes up in volume, stridency and spray-can anti-Americanism what she lacks in presence
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She speaks vulnerable English, which will endear her to people who share their lives with cats, and has a catholic selection of banners that combine swastikas with the Stars and Stripes in the approved student manner. […]

On the plus side she likes Lyndon LaRouche, a grim American conspiracy freakshow who fancies HM The Queen as head of an international cocaine cartel. This turbo lunacy would let Vitrenko outflank the 9/11 nutters on Parliament Square who pretend to Brian’s pitch.

 

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