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	<title>Comments on: RIP, Kenneth Kronberg</title>
	<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/</link>
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		<title>By: rachel holmes</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33466</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're a little confused, pal--I'm certainly not whining about how right LaRouche was! Good lord, the man's a senile old fool.

Plus he's dead. Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re a little confused, pal&#8211;I&#8217;m certainly not whining about how right LaRouche was! Good lord, the man&#8217;s a senile old fool.</p>
<p>Plus he&#8217;s dead. Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: revenire</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33460</link>
		<dc:creator>revenire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33460</guid>
		<description>larouche is dead? 

no duggan is dead, kronberg is dead and some are rumored to be on bridges right now (not members of people with larouche but people losing their homes at the rate of 8000 per day and what are you "jumper brigade" doing about it? 

whining about how right larouche was and chewing rugs

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 Plotters Named by the Scotsman in the "End Hillary's Candidacy" Coup Should Either Confess, or Repudiate It!
14 Apr 2008

April 14, 2008 (LPAC)--American statesman Lyndon LaRouche demanded today that those Democrats named in the April 13 Sunday Scotsman piece by Chris Stephen, describing a "coup" attempt against Hillary Clinton's candidacy, either "confess, or repudiate the charges."

The Scotsman reported that "former President Jimmy Carter and Al Gore have already held high-level discussions about delivering the message that she [Hillary Clinton-ed.] must stand down for the good of the Democrats," and that they will act "in sequence, or possibly together" in a joint endorsement of Obama's candidacy.

Further, the article implies that a Carter-Gore visit to Clinton is being considered "by the higher echelons of the Democrats," and is being "masterminded in Congress," where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have called on superdelegates to hold "an unofficial congress in early June to anoint a winner."

Today, Vice-President Al Gore's spokesman Kalee Kreider initially emailed LaRouche PAC that the Scotsman article was "just completely false." In a second email Ms. Kreider added that Al Gore has asked The Scotsman to retract the article, and included a full response to seven questions which LaRouche PAC submitted to Vice-President Gore or his spokesperson, the complete text of which appears below. Ms. Kreider said that former Vice-President Gore and President Jimmy Carter had not held discussions about asking Hillary Clinton to withdraw her candidacy, and that they had not decided to act "possibly together, or in sequence" to that end.

Former President Jimmy Carter's press office said that they were aware of The Scotsman article, but have not responded to LaRouche PAC's inquiries.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's spokesman, Jim Manley, told LaRouche PAC that he would "have no idea what they [The Scotsman-ed.] are talking about." Manley noted, "Senator Reid is on record as suggesting that superdelegates should make a decision as quickly as possible after June 1."

So far, the offices of former President Carter, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama--the beneficiary of the alleged coup against the Clinton candidacy--have not responded to LaRouche PAC.

Appended is the second, full response from former Vice-President Al Gore's spokesperson Kalee Kreider:

"We have asked The Scotsman to retract the article. The answers to numbers 1-2 are no. I don't know the answer to 3 because we don't know of any meeting. We don't know the answer to 4 because we don't know of such meetings. We are not involved in number 5 and don't know of any such sessions. We don't have any comment on 6 or 7."

Below are the questions LaRouche PAC asked. Portions in quotations are from The Scotsman article by Chris Stephen:

1. Have Vice-President Gore and former President Carter already held discussions about delivering the message to Hillary Clinton that she should step down from the Democratic Presdiential nomination race?

2. Have Vice-President Gore and Carter decided to "act, possibly together, or in sequence" to that end?

3. Were others present at these "high-level discussions," such as Speaker Pelosi or Majority Leader Reid, or others? If Vice-President Gore and President Carter are coordinating action, is their action also being coordinated with Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid?

4. Who are the "higher" echelons of the Democrats Party, who are divided between a private visit to Ms. Clinton to deliver the message to withdraw, versus a joint press conference between Vice-President Gore and President Carter to endorse Sen. Obama?

5. Is Vice-President Gore involved in the plan being "masterminded" in Congress, to have an "unofficial congress in early June to anoint a winner"?

6. Does Vice-President Gore think Ms. Clinton should drop out if she does not win Pennsylvania decisively? Or that a candidate should be chosen after the primaries end on June 3? Does he approve of the "superdelegate congress" idea?

7. Is there any comment Vice-President Gore would like to make on the Democratic nomination race, or the article in The Scotsman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>larouche is dead? </p>
<p>no duggan is dead, kronberg is dead and some are rumored to be on bridges right now (not members of people with larouche but people losing their homes at the rate of 8000 per day and what are you &#8220;jumper brigade&#8221; doing about it? </p>
<p>whining about how right larouche was and chewing rugs</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p> Plotters Named by the Scotsman in the &#8220;End Hillary&#8217;s Candidacy&#8221; Coup Should Either Confess, or Repudiate It!<br />
14 Apr 2008</p>
<p>April 14, 2008 (LPAC)&#8211;American statesman Lyndon LaRouche demanded today that those Democrats named in the April 13 Sunday Scotsman piece by Chris Stephen, describing a &#8220;coup&#8221; attempt against Hillary Clinton&#8217;s candidacy, either &#8220;confess, or repudiate the charges.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Scotsman reported that &#8220;former President Jimmy Carter and Al Gore have already held high-level discussions about delivering the message that she [Hillary Clinton-ed.] must stand down for the good of the Democrats,&#8221; and that they will act &#8220;in sequence, or possibly together&#8221; in a joint endorsement of Obama&#8217;s candidacy.</p>
<p>Further, the article implies that a Carter-Gore visit to Clinton is being considered &#8220;by the higher echelons of the Democrats,&#8221; and is being &#8220;masterminded in Congress,&#8221; where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have called on superdelegates to hold &#8220;an unofficial congress in early June to anoint a winner.&#8221;</p>
<p>Today, Vice-President Al Gore&#8217;s spokesman Kalee Kreider initially emailed LaRouche PAC that the Scotsman article was &#8220;just completely false.&#8221; In a second email Ms. Kreider added that Al Gore has asked The Scotsman to retract the article, and included a full response to seven questions which LaRouche PAC submitted to Vice-President Gore or his spokesperson, the complete text of which appears below. Ms. Kreider said that former Vice-President Gore and President Jimmy Carter had not held discussions about asking Hillary Clinton to withdraw her candidacy, and that they had not decided to act &#8220;possibly together, or in sequence&#8221; to that end.</p>
<p>Former President Jimmy Carter&#8217;s press office said that they were aware of The Scotsman article, but have not responded to LaRouche PAC&#8217;s inquiries.</p>
<p>Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid&#8217;s spokesman, Jim Manley, told LaRouche PAC that he would &#8220;have no idea what they [The Scotsman-ed.] are talking about.&#8221; Manley noted, &#8220;Senator Reid is on record as suggesting that superdelegates should make a decision as quickly as possible after June 1.&#8221;</p>
<p>So far, the offices of former President Carter, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama&#8211;the beneficiary of the alleged coup against the Clinton candidacy&#8211;have not responded to LaRouche PAC.</p>
<p>Appended is the second, full response from former Vice-President Al Gore&#8217;s spokesperson Kalee Kreider:</p>
<p>&#8220;We have asked The Scotsman to retract the article. The answers to numbers 1-2 are no. I don&#8217;t know the answer to 3 because we don&#8217;t know of any meeting. We don&#8217;t know the answer to 4 because we don&#8217;t know of such meetings. We are not involved in number 5 and don&#8217;t know of any such sessions. We don&#8217;t have any comment on 6 or 7.&#8221;</p>
<p>Below are the questions LaRouche PAC asked. Portions in quotations are from The Scotsman article by Chris Stephen:</p>
<p>1. Have Vice-President Gore and former President Carter already held discussions about delivering the message to Hillary Clinton that she should step down from the Democratic Presdiential nomination race?</p>
<p>2. Have Vice-President Gore and Carter decided to &#8220;act, possibly together, or in sequence&#8221; to that end?</p>
<p>3. Were others present at these &#8220;high-level discussions,&#8221; such as Speaker Pelosi or Majority Leader Reid, or others? If Vice-President Gore and President Carter are coordinating action, is their action also being coordinated with Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid?</p>
<p>4. Who are the &#8220;higher&#8221; echelons of the Democrats Party, who are divided between a private visit to Ms. Clinton to deliver the message to withdraw, versus a joint press conference between Vice-President Gore and President Carter to endorse Sen. Obama?</p>
<p>5. Is Vice-President Gore involved in the plan being &#8220;masterminded&#8221; in Congress, to have an &#8220;unofficial congress in early June to anoint a winner&#8221;?</p>
<p>6. Does Vice-President Gore think Ms. Clinton should drop out if she does not win Pennsylvania decisively? Or that a candidate should be chosen after the primaries end on June 3? Does he approve of the &#8220;superdelegate congress&#8221; idea?</p>
<p>7. Is there any comment Vice-President Gore would like to make on the Democratic nomination race, or the article in The Scotsman?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33433</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33433</guid>
		<description>Parking these things here to be able to pick up whenever I get back to commentary on such things:

http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?p=345850#post345850

The Boomers are organized by gossip groups.  Which means, um, that the boomers are organized by factnet, King, and this stupid blog.  &lt;i&gt;You heard it from the man himself!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parking these things here to be able to pick up whenever I get back to commentary on such things:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?p=345850#post345850" rel="nofollow">http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?p=345850#post345850</a></p>
<p>The Boomers are organized by gossip groups.  Which means, um, that the boomers are organized by factnet, King, and this stupid blog.  <i>You heard it from the man himself!</i></p>
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		<title>By: rachel holmes</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33167</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33167</guid>
		<description>Hitting the sauce again, eh, rev? Pretty sozzled by 10 p.m., are you?

Favorite line: "kronberg is dead, get over it"

Sounds agapic. You know, like LaRouche.

Because, lil buddy, Lyndon LaRouche is dead. Has been for years. Get over it.

I was intrigued to hear you would bet your life that we losers have taken losses. If I could be sure you would bet your life, and not renege, I think I'd publish my financials right here, just for the pleasure.

But here's the thing--skip betting your life (I mean, who would want it?) and just tell me again how fraud wasn't part of the Alexandria trial? Tell me again how if we just posted the trial transcripts we'd be exposed for the morons we are?

It's true, you know--I AM a loser. (LOL) It's just that you don't know what I lost.

What Lyn lost, on the other hand, was his "legacy." The reason he's foaming at the mouth these days (see FactNet postings) is that after 40 years and endless millions, he's got bupkus. He's had to move the tiny number of LYMers from the "warroom" into LaRouchetown. Just to keep them from being demoralized by older members who know Lyn. (LOL)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitting the sauce again, eh, rev? Pretty sozzled by 10 p.m., are you?</p>
<p>Favorite line: &#8220;kronberg is dead, get over it&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds agapic. You know, like LaRouche.</p>
<p>Because, lil buddy, Lyndon LaRouche is dead. Has been for years. Get over it.</p>
<p>I was intrigued to hear you would bet your life that we losers have taken losses. If I could be sure you would bet your life, and not renege, I think I&#8217;d publish my financials right here, just for the pleasure.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the thing&#8211;skip betting your life (I mean, who would want it?) and just tell me again how fraud wasn&#8217;t part of the Alexandria trial? Tell me again how if we just posted the trial transcripts we&#8217;d be exposed for the morons we are?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, you know&#8211;I AM a loser. (LOL) It&#8217;s just that you don&#8217;t know what I lost.</p>
<p>What Lyn lost, on the other hand, was his &#8220;legacy.&#8221; The reason he&#8217;s foaming at the mouth these days (see FactNet postings) is that after 40 years and endless millions, he&#8217;s got bupkus. He&#8217;s had to move the tiny number of LYMers from the &#8220;warroom&#8221; into LaRouchetown. Just to keep them from being demoralized by older members who know Lyn. (LOL)</p>
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		<title>By: revenire</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33149</link>
		<dc:creator>revenire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33149</guid>
		<description>these jumpers are all losing their pensions, homes, etc. while whining about their losses

they know larouche is right, has been right and all anyone need do is pick up the business page of any major newspaper worldwide and in the usa to vindicate larouche 100%

i think they're funny

rachel is frustrated because she is a loser and she knows it...

i eat this blog for breakfast... it is endlessly amusing

i love the bevel stuff, sort of reminds of of the murder of martin luther king and how he was accused of having sex with women... 

lol, keep on trying jumper brigage

kronberg is dead, get over it

duggan is going no place either -- his mother is just a tool and being used

the case that was supposed to happen never did

did it?

or are we still waiting for duggan to rise up and tell us larouche pushed him ?

tell me jumpers?  how's the 8000 per day losing their homes doing?

you got a plan? i would bet my life you losers have taken losses, if you had anything to start, during this recent phase of the ongoing collapse

you're bitter about it because you're on the wrong team, lol 

oh well

enjoy the crash

i can't say you weren't warned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these jumpers are all losing their pensions, homes, etc. while whining about their losses</p>
<p>they know larouche is right, has been right and all anyone need do is pick up the business page of any major newspaper worldwide and in the usa to vindicate larouche 100%</p>
<p>i think they&#8217;re funny</p>
<p>rachel is frustrated because she is a loser and she knows it&#8230;</p>
<p>i eat this blog for breakfast&#8230; it is endlessly amusing</p>
<p>i love the bevel stuff, sort of reminds of of the murder of martin luther king and how he was accused of having sex with women&#8230; </p>
<p>lol, keep on trying jumper brigage</p>
<p>kronberg is dead, get over it</p>
<p>duggan is going no place either &#8212; his mother is just a tool and being used</p>
<p>the case that was supposed to happen never did</p>
<p>did it?</p>
<p>or are we still waiting for duggan to rise up and tell us larouche pushed him ?</p>
<p>tell me jumpers?  how&#8217;s the 8000 per day losing their homes doing?</p>
<p>you got a plan? i would bet my life you losers have taken losses, if you had anything to start, during this recent phase of the ongoing collapse</p>
<p>you&#8217;re bitter about it because you&#8217;re on the wrong team, lol </p>
<p>oh well</p>
<p>enjoy the crash</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t say you weren&#8217;t warned</p>
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		<title>By: rachel holmes</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33138</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33138</guid>
		<description>Ah, Goat--like the sobriquet. I'm sure it's appropriate.

A few thoughts.

1. Your reasoning is faulty in your first sentence. Ergo, all the reasoning that flows therefrom is faulty.

2. Based on all that we know about LaRouche, inferentially AND directly, I'd say that your conclusion is 100% false. Where there is the smoke of a thousand discussions of sexual impotence, I think we can infer there is fire. Or, perhaps, in this case--not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Goat&#8211;like the sobriquet. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s appropriate.</p>
<p>A few thoughts.</p>
<p>1. Your reasoning is faulty in your first sentence. Ergo, all the reasoning that flows therefrom is faulty.</p>
<p>2. Based on all that we know about LaRouche, inferentially AND directly, I&#8217;d say that your conclusion is 100% false. Where there is the smoke of a thousand discussions of sexual impotence, I think we can infer there is fire. Or, perhaps, in this case&#8211;not.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33119</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-33119</guid>
		<description>Actually, "GOAT", barring something dramatic, you should not expect me to utter another word on this blog for another month on the topic of Larouche, reasonings roughly expressed by Scott McLemee in his "Fringe Watch" post that linked to this.  I think I'm just going to have to develop this sort of "spurt" habit with this guy with this blog.  But it was relatively important for me to circle back and say something on April 11th, and this post felt as though I completed my due diligence with a modest weight being lifted from my shoulders -- if I don't deal in any way or form with Larouche again I can be happy with my small role in unravelling the cult.  But I note that I can turn away from this topic; others are not as lucky.  I tend to think "mixed emotions" (a term used yesterday by a poster at FACTNet) is about what is felt at the anniversary of Kronberg's death by those more affected to these events than I.

Good luck with whatever your role is in the Citizen's Council, I ... suppose, "Goat".   Yours appears to be the part of the whole organization most likely to survive the Demise.  So, um.  "Have fun"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, &#8220;GOAT&#8221;, barring something dramatic, you should not expect me to utter another word on this blog for another month on the topic of Larouche, reasonings roughly expressed by Scott McLemee in his &#8220;Fringe Watch&#8221; post that linked to this.  I think I&#8217;m just going to have to develop this sort of &#8220;spurt&#8221; habit with this guy with this blog.  But it was relatively important for me to circle back and say something on April 11th, and this post felt as though I completed my due diligence with a modest weight being lifted from my shoulders &#8212; if I don&#8217;t deal in any way or form with Larouche again I can be happy with my small role in unravelling the cult.  But I note that I can turn away from this topic; others are not as lucky.  I tend to think &#8220;mixed emotions&#8221; (a term used yesterday by a poster at FACTNet) is about what is felt at the anniversary of Kronberg&#8217;s death by those more affected to these events than I.</p>
<p>Good luck with whatever your role is in the Citizen&#8217;s Council, I &#8230; suppose, &#8220;Goat&#8221;.   Yours appears to be the part of the whole organization most likely to survive the Demise.  So, um.  &#8220;Have fun&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Goat</title>
		<link>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-32997</link>
		<dc:creator>Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.struat.com/election/2008/04/11/in-memory-of-kenneth-kronberg/#comment-32997</guid>
		<description>You must really love LaRouche if you can't stop talking about him. If only he wasn't married to Helga, you could have been in with a chance. Poor you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must really love LaRouche if you can&#8217;t stop talking about him. If only he wasn&#8217;t married to Helga, you could have been in with a chance. Poor you</p>
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